# Discussion thread for the Hamas Attacks Israel thread, October 2023 **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Tags:** israel-hamas-war\ **Created:** [October 9, 2023, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317 "2023-10-09T15:10:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 123
**Author:** ![Crane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crane/32/3495_2.png) [@Crane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crane)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2023, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/2559 "2023-12-16T14:46:17Z")
[**ETA** :](https://r.search.yahoo.com/_ylt=AwrNZzKUtH1ljO8ahutXNyoA;_ylu=Y29sbwNiZjEEcG9zAzQEdnRpZAMEc2VjA3Ny/RV=2/RE=1702765845/RO=10/RU=https%3a%2f%2fwww.businessinsider.com%2fisrael-idf-accidentally-killed-hostages-friendly-fire-gaza-2023-12/RK=2/RS=9iJfVZ3nhwZIF4mPiVh59Fr66a0-) “The official said a soldier felt threatened and opened fire. Two of the hostages were killed immediately while the third was injured and ran back to a building, he said. A cry for help was heard in Hebrew and the battalion commander issued an order for troops to cease firing, but there was “another burst of fire,” and the third hostage was killed, he said.” ---
**Author:** ![ASL\_v2.0](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asl_v2.0/32/3525_2.png) [@ASL\_v2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ASL_v2.0)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2023, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/2560 "2023-12-16T15:34:36Z")
So, again, I can’t help but wonder how many people displaying white flags or engaged in similarly benign behavior have been killed by the IDF without comment, because _they_ didn’t turn out to be hostages and so could plausibly be classified as “enemy combatants.” ---
**Author:** ![asterion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/4da419/32.png) [@asterion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/asterion)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2023, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/2561 "2023-12-16T15:54:29Z")
Hey, if hostages don’t want to be killed by their own government, they should overthrow their current one. That’s how this works, right? ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2023, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/2562 "2023-12-16T16:38:17Z")
Lots and lots. That seems obvious just from the raw numbers. Hell, Israel reports that only one in three of the people they’ve killed was a combatant, and that’s not taking into account all the civilians dying of untreated medical issues (both ordinary ones like diabetes and cancer, and ones caused by the war, like diarrheal diseases) and malnutrition, etc. ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2023, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/2563 "2023-12-16T16:45:55Z")
No, the talking point is that this is only the fault of Hamas. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2023, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/2564 "2023-12-16T17:31:13Z")
They are 100% responsible for starting this war. The people who put them in power are reaping what they sowed. Hamas is a terrorist group that uses infrastructure as a base of operations. This is what war looks like. Buildings are destroyed. Innocent people die. ---
**Author:** ![Crane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crane/32/3495_2.png) [@Crane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crane)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2023, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/2565 "2023-12-16T17:48:16Z")
Response in kind: You are correct. The Gazan Air Force, Army, Marines, and Coast Guard should get off of their dead assed and fight back. And those kids could climb out from under them rocks and whup up on them Israelis and establish their own state and throw out them Hamases. Sheesh, must be hard to find good help over there. Oh yeah, was the world created on Oct 7? ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2023, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/2566 "2023-12-16T18:39:55Z")
> [@Crane](#): > > You are correct. The Gazan Air Force, Army, Marines, and Coast Guard should get off of their dead assed and fight back. I wasn’t aware they weren’t fighting. The war must be over and hostages are free. Otherwise Hamas is doing what it started out to do and that’s fighting a gorilla war using infrastructure as their base of operations. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [December 16, 2023, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/2567 "2023-12-16T22:12:01Z")
…some background on the IDF and white flags, here is a 2009 report from Human Rights Watch on “White Flag Deaths” during Operation Cast Lead: > [@Human Rights Watch](#): > > This report documents seven incidents where Israeli soldiers fired on civilians with small arms during Israel’s major military operations in Gaza in December 2008 and January 2009. These attacks killed 11 civilians—including five women and four children—and wounded at least another eight. > > … > > In each case, the victims were standing, walking, or in a slowly moving vehicle with other unarmed civilians who were trying to convey their non-combatant status by waving a white flag. All available evidence indicates that Israeli forces had control of the areas in question, no fighting was taking place there at the time, and Palestinian fighters were not hiding among the civilians who were shot. > > … > > Human Rights Watch conducted extensive investigations into each of these incidents by visiting the attack sites, examining ballistic evidence, collecting medical records, and interviewing multiple witnesses—at least three people separately for each attack. In one case, forensic pathologists examined a survivor. The Israel Defense Forces (IDF) declined repeated Human Rights Watch requests for a meeting to discuss these cases and did not respond to questions about them submitted in writing (see Appendix). > > In each of these incidents, the evidence strongly indicates that, at the least, Israeli soldiers failed to take feasible precautions to distinguish between civilians and combatants before carrying out the attack. At worst, the soldiers deliberately fired on persons known to be civilians. > **[White Flag Deaths](https://www.hrw.org/report/2009/08/13/white-flag-deaths/killings-palestinian-civilians-during-operation-cast-lead)** > > This 63-page report is based on field investigations of seven incident sites in Gaza, including ballistic evidence found at the scene, medical records of victims, and lengthy interviews with multiple witnesses - at least three people separately for... In a letter today from the Latin Patriarchate of Jerusalem: [![](https://uc3c3438e7855b3e15586e6d321e.previews.dropboxusercontent.com/p/thumb/ACEIXmUNSZ8aQ3MGdaNVQRWPUMaiOv7rCJy7SrSFg_MMR5X3kbR773Bg2_b1A24cHTMV0aVJwoveIhK3erOUGKGPk8Z1NWVYIO-fuvhpTgHc-x6Au_sG09dNla0eVSoNgDHoY0Y1C9TGpzd7plX1DUgMT77IkrmAGefSwJh-Nex7Um26Xz3dzBrWB65TI4Jz05A_8QdkFh770vKVCgj0GSzbxA5QtEDOAIX1CzrhEwDpMZe6abE_PR6zxoc44EEsoYejPin-feFBuHk2zEogMoToCP9TlUPma7LjAfLdjxVXcy7yabyBVZZTDDzvJfXCL3qeyd4uB1hU5oyGO6PKs8c4ZUnMma95WW_Dx5dwqs4y5A/p.png) ](https://uc3c3438e7855b3e15586e6d321e.previews.dropboxusercontent.com/p/thumb/ACEIXmUNSZ8aQ3MGdaNVQRWPUMaiOv7rCJy7SrSFg_MMR5X3kbR773Bg2_b1A24cHTMV0aVJwoveIhK3erOUGKGPk8Z1NWVYIO-fuvhpTgHc-x6Au_sG09dNla0eVSoNgDHoY0Y1C9TGpzd7plX1DUgMT77IkrmAGefSwJh-Nex7Um26Xz3dzBrWB65TI4Jz05A_8QdkFh770vKVCgj0GSzbxA5QtEDOAIX1CzrhEwDpMZe6abE_PR6zxoc44EEsoYejPin-feFBuHk2zEogMoToCP9TlUPma7LjAfLdjxVXcy7yabyBVZZTDDzvJfXCL3qeyd4uB1hU5oyGO6PKs8c4ZUnMma95WW_Dx5dwqs4y5A/p.png) > **[Gaza, 16th December 2023](https://www.lpj.org/posts/gaza-16th-december-2023.html?s_cat=1102)** Another journalist, Al Jazeera’s Samer Abudaqa was killed a couple of days ago in a drone strike. > [@](#): > > “The Network holds Israel accountable for systematically targeting and killing Al Jazeera journalists and their families,” a statement read. > > “In today’s bombing in Khan Younis, Israeli drones fired missiles at a school where civilians sought refuge, resulting in indiscriminate casualties,” the network said. > > “Following Samer’s injury, he was left to bleed to death for over 5 hours, as Israeli forces prevented ambulances and rescue workers from reaching him, denying the much-needed emergency treatment,” the statement added. > **[Al Jazeera journalist Samer Abudaqa killed in Israeli attack in Gaza](https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/12/15/two-al-jazeera-journalists-wounded-in-israeli-attack-in-southern-gaza)** > > Al Jazeera Arabic cameraman killed and colleague wounded in an Israeli attack in Khan Younis. The IDF have destroyed graveyards. Apologies again for the Twitter link. Palestinian & British writer Ahmed Masoud shows the before-and-after of the graveyard where his father was buried. > The latest Flash Report says the MOH haven’t been able to update their figures since the 14th of December, so it stands at 18,787. There was an airstrike on a school in Khan Yunis, reportedly killing 12 Internally Displaced People. Rafah, on the border, has experiences a fourfold increase in population density, and is now “the most densely populated area within the Gaza Strip.” The World Food Programme “reveals alarming trends in the food security situation in southern Gaza, with 44 per cent of assessed households facing very severe hunger”, an increase from 24% from their last assessment in November during the pause. Since the 7th October, 278 Palestinians, including 70 children, have been killed on the West Bank. They have recorded 344 Israeli settler attacks against Palestinians, and “at least 189 Palestinian households comprising 1,257 people, including 582 children, have been displaced amid settler violence and access restrictions.” > [@Flash Report](#): > > - On 14 December, in Area B of ‘Urif (Nablus), Israeli forces demolished, on punitive grounds, two residential buildings belonging to families whose members were accused of killing four Israeli settlers near Eli settlement in June 2023. As a result, three families comprising 18 people were displaced. Punitive demolitions are a form of collective punishment and are prohibited under international law. > - Another 68 Palestinians, including 34 children, have been displaced following the demolition of 16 homes on punitive grounds since 7 October. The same number of homes were punitively demolished in the first nine months of the year. The Human Rights Committee, in its review of the fourth periodic report of Israel, in 2014, concluded that punitive demolitions are a form of collective punishment and as such are illegal under international law. > - Another 269 Palestinians, including 121 children, have been displaced since 7 October following the destruction of 42 residential structures during other operations carried out by Israeli forces across the West Bank; 61 per cent of the displacement was reported in Jenin Refugee Camp, and 29 per cent in Nur Shams and Tulkarm Refugee Camps (both in Tulkarm). The full flash report is here: > **[Hostilities in the Gaza Strip and Israel | Flash Update #70 - occupied...](https://reliefweb.int/report/occupied-palestinian-territory/hostilities-gaza-strip-and-israel-flash-update-70)** > > Situation Report in English on occupied Palestinian territory and 1 other country about Contributions, Education and more; published on 15 Dec 2023 by OCHA And one last thing: Al Jazeera asked “10 people in Gaza to record moments of their day.” If you want an insight into what daily life is like in Gaza, this might be helpful. This was recorded in November. > **[This is what 24 hours of our lives in Gaza look like | Close Up](https://www.aljazeera.com/program/al-jazeera-close-up/2023/12/15/this-is-what-24-hours-of-our-lives-in-gaza-look-like-close-up)** > > We asked 10 people in Gaza to record moments of their day. The result is inspiring and heartbreaking. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2023, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/2568 "2023-12-17T02:17:06Z")
…another journalist targeted: [https://twitter.com/SafaJoudeh/status/1736118821025399153](https://twitter.com/SafaJoudeh/status/1736118821025399153) Twitter link, spoiled because the video contains blood. Palestinian journalist Mohammed Balousha, in a distinctive blue press vest, has been shot in the legs by IDF sniper. As I type this, he still hasn’t been rescued. The videos that are posted are of him regaining conciousness, him having to crawl to safety and wrap his own wounds. He can’t be rescued, as the medics say it is too dangerous to approach. Hopefully he makes it. The medics will try and rescue him in the morning. The latest update on Al Shifa from Tedros Ghebreyesus, Director General of the World Health Organization: > [@](#): > > Al-Shifa hospital in northern [#Gaza](https://twitter.com/hashtag/Gaza?src=hashtag_click) is trying to resume its operations to serve thousands of patients again, but the situation is still unbelievably challenging and chaotic, and the hospital is in need of resuscitation — high-risk > > [@WHO](https://twitter.com/WHO) > > mission finds. A WHO-led team of > > [@UN](https://twitter.com/UN) > > experts reached Al-Shifa today to deliver essential medical supplies and assess priority health needs. Gaza’s largest hospital is at the moment able to provide limited trauma stabilization and some dialysis support. Surgery is not yet possible; the hospital has no blood for transfusion, and hardly any staff to care for the constant flow of patients. The hospital needs sustained supplies of medicines, equipment, water, food, fuel and additional human resources. Across Gaza the health system remains crippled - with only 8 hospitals partially operating out of an original 36. Of mounting concern is also the lack of food, which is causing increasing hunger across the Strip. Severe hunger is also a severe health risk. An immediate ceasefire is the only sustainable solution. > Video on the link to show how man patients are there right now. ---
**Author:** ![Polerius](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/d78d45/32.png) [@Polerius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polerius)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2023, 5:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/2569 "2023-12-17T05:33:11Z")
The killing of the three escaped hostages puts lie to the assertion by Israel that they are trying their best to minimize civilian deaths, and that any deaths are due to Hamas using civilians as shields which have to be killed to get to Hamas. These three poor souls were walking shirtless if I’m not mistaken, so no likelihood of them wearing explosive vests, and they were just walking towards their own country’s army, and were summarily shot. No Hamas in sight, no human shields in sight, no civilian infrastructure used by Hamas in sight, just three shirtless men walking to get to safety. So all the excuses about sad but necessary civilian deaths seem to be just that, at least to a degree. ---
**Author:** ![Polerius](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/d78d45/32.png) [@Polerius](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polerius)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2023, 5:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/2570 "2023-12-17T05:37:33Z")
> [@Polerius](#): > > Overall, Hamas are barbaric monsters and getting rid of them will be tough if not impossible. I don’t envy the IDF/Israel, they have a tough needle the thread, to get rid of barbaric monsters while not becoming monsters themselves in the process. I wrote this several days ago, and I’m wondering whether we are indeed seeing the IDF becoming monsters themselves in the process. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2023, 11:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/2571 "2023-12-17T11:55:01Z")
To quote Hume, > [@](#): > > The laws of war, which then succeed to those of equity and justice, are rules calculated for the ADVANTAGE and UTILITY of that particular state, in which men are now placed. And were a civilized nation engaged with barbarians, who observed no rules even of war, the former must also suspend their observance of them, where they no longer serve to any purpose; and must render every action or recounter as bloody and pernicious as possible to the first aggressors. Seems on point. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2023, 1:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/2572 "2023-12-17T13:45:42Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > All I am saying is that this caused some PR damage (clearly - look at this thread), could be used to radicalize, and it seems like it would have been relatively easy to avoid. Today’s SMBC might be on-point: > **[Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - That Thing](https://www.smbc-comics.com/comic/that-thing)** > > Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal - That Thing Specifically, the tagline: > [@](#): > > I feel the quickest way to spot bias is to find someone who reacts to something terrible by worrying about the impression a third party will get. If the primary concern with IDF’s misdeeds is that they’ll lead to further radicalization amongst Palestinians, I’d suggest that that shouldn’t be the primary concern. ---
**Author:** ![WreckingCrew](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wreckingcrew/32/4080_2.png) [@WreckingCrew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WreckingCrew)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2023, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/2573 "2023-12-17T14:46:58Z")
Are you sure you want to make the argument that “the people who put them in power are reaping what they sowed”. Based on that logic, any dead Israeli civilians are merely the reapings of the current Israeli government policies, and any settler in the West Bank would be fair game. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2023, 5:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/2574 "2023-12-17T17:06:11Z")
Applying your logic I would be speaking German now because my parent’s generation stayed out of WW-II. You’re argument fits the Germans who voted in the Nazi regime. They wouldn’t have been pounded to dust because of the war brought on by that regime. The Nazi’s were pure evil just as Hamas is now. Hamas needs to be defeated. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2023, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/2575 "2023-12-17T17:08:22Z")
Hamas needs to be defeated. Netanyahu and his allies, who deliberately put into place policies that allowed Hamas to grow and thrive, also need to be defeated (politically). They own some of the blame for Hamas’s effectiveness. ---
**Author:** ![WreckingCrew](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wreckingcrew/32/4080_2.png) [@WreckingCrew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WreckingCrew)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2023, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/2576 "2023-12-17T17:15:49Z")
No where did I say don’t fight back. And I fully understand and accept that civilian casualties have always been part of war. But you claimed that Palestinian civilians are getting what they deserve because of the actions of their government. If that is true, Israeli civilians must have also gotten what they deserved on October 7 for the hatred and destabilization sown by the Israeli government. Or, you know, maybe there are a bunch of innocent civilians that are getting slaughtered because there are blood thirsty elements of both governments. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2023, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/2577 "2023-12-17T17:17:06Z")
Ok! 🥳 One Hamas trucking supply tunnel gone!!! The guardian live feed > [@](#): > > The Israeli army has said it has uncovered the biggest Hamas tunnel in the Gaza Strip so far, AFP reports. > > The underground passage formed part of a wider network that stretched for over 2.5 miles and came within 400 metres of **the Erez border crossing** , the army said. > > It cost millions of dollars and took years to construct, Israeli forces said, with the passageways featuring drainage systems, electricity, ventilation, sewage and a communication network. > > It was “the biggest tunnel we found in Gaza … meant to target the (Erez) crossing,” chief military spokesperson Rear Adm Daniel Hagari said, without specifying whether it was used by [Hamas](https://www.theguardian.com/world/hamas) for the 7 October attack. > > “Millions of dollars were invested in this tunnel. It took years to build this tunnel … Vehicles could drive through.” ---
**Author:** ![carnivorousplant](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnivorousplant/32/3563_2.png) [@carnivorousplant](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carnivorousplant)\ **Post date:** [December 17, 2023, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/2578 "2023-12-17T17:25:46Z")
If vehicles can drive through it, it must have an extensive ventilation system. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317.md?page=122) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317.md?page=124)