# Discussion thread for the Hamas Attacks Israel thread, October 2023 **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Tags:** israel-hamas-war\ **Created:** [October 9, 2023, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317 "2023-10-09T15:10:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 168
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2024, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/3475 "2024-02-10T23:35:55Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > At one of the other hospitals under siege, Al-Amal Hospital, from the Palestinian Red Crescent: …more from Al-Amal: > [@](#): > > After the Israeli occupation forces raided the PRCS Al-Amal Hospital in Khan Yunis, they stole all the keys of the ambulance vehicles and administrative vehicles, and they locked the steering wheels to prevent the staff from operating the vehicles, amidst the ongoing siege and targeting of the hospital for the twentieth consecutive day. > There is a degree of absolute pettiness, casual cruelty, almost trolling, in the way Israel have chosen to conduct this war. A reminder that many working for Red Crescent are _volunteers_. That most of the doctors and nurses working at the hospitals right now are _unpaid_. From Doctors without Borders, about Nasser: > [@](#): > > Gaza UPDATE: In the past 48 hours, MSF staff report shots fired at people inside Nasser hospital. > > Two people were killed, five others injured, including one nurse who was severely wounded. > > Medical staff are afraid to move within and around the hospital due to fear of being shot. > > Israeli forces are continuing operations in the immediate vicinity of Nasser hospital. Heavy fighting is trapping people inside the building and preventing anyone from entering to access care. > > We are worried for the lives of > > [@MSF](https://twitter.com/MSF) > > colleagues, medical staff and patients at Nasser hospital. Medical facilities, their surroundings and staff should always be protected, and access to hospitals unhindered. > ---
**Author:** ![WreckingCrew](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wreckingcrew/32/4080_2.png) [@WreckingCrew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WreckingCrew)\ **Post date:** [February 10, 2024, 11:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/3476 "2024-02-10T23:55:18Z")
If you think you have caught me in a gotcha, you seem to have missed, or ignored, the next sentence in my post that you quoted. “Because this is just the latest round in an endless cycle of violence.” So yes, Israel is being cold blooded in their response, no disagreement from me. How has a cold blooded response worked for them in their past dealings with Palestinian terrorists? Nipped it right in the bud did it? ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2024, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/3477 "2024-02-11T00:04:25Z")
> [@WreckingCrew](#): > > OK, I’ll give you the answer you are looking for. Babies have been casualties in every war in recent memory. > > Here’s the thing, nations at war have also been criticized for their actions in every war in recent memory. True > [@WreckingCrew](#): > > Do you think that Israel is above criticism? No. It’s difficult to fight an enemy that uses civilians and civilian infrastructure as a base of operations. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2024, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/3478 "2024-02-11T00:18:47Z")
> [@WreckingCrew](#): > > If you think you have caught me in a gotcha I don’t see how that’d be a gotcha; it’s simply what I think Israel is doing, and what I thought Israel was doing before I read your post. And so, when I saw the same sort of thinking in your post, I wondered: _wait, isn’t that along the lines of what I’d already thought Israel was clearly doing?_ > [@](#): > > Israel is being cold blooded in their response, no disagreement from me. How has a cold blooded response worked for them in their past dealings with Palestinian terrorists? Nipped it right in the bud did it? As far as I can tell, they’ve responded in a decidedly _less_ over-the-top manner before, and this didn’t get nipped in the bud — and, for some reason, they’re responding in a decidedly _more_ over-the-top manner now. Would that claim get any disagreement from you? ---
**Author:** ![WreckingCrew](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wreckingcrew/32/4080_2.png) [@WreckingCrew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WreckingCrew)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2024, 1:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/3479 "2024-02-11T01:14:47Z")
A more over the top response than recent years? No disagreement. If you want a definitive answer on this being the record setter, I would give an incomplete grade to Gaza at the moment, but likely to surpass Lebanon in the early 80s. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2024, 7:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/3480 "2024-02-11T07:12:40Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > It’s difficult to fight an enemy that uses civilians and civilian infrastructure as a base of operations. Sure, it must be: [![](https://themedialine.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/Guns_Off-Duty_Soldiers_160223_900lt.gif) ](https://themedialine.org/wp-content/uploads/2016/02/Guns_Off-Duty_Soldiers_160223_900lt.gif) [![](https://arc-anglerfish-washpost-prod-washpost.s3.amazonaws.com/public/ZV3WKINX6DGKU4NWC3KUOO2A7M.jpg) ](https://arc-anglerfish-washpost-prod-washpost.s3.amazonaws.com/public/ZV3WKINX6DGKU4NWC3KUOO2A7M.jpg) [![](https://imemc.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/settlersarmed-e1493294973464.jpg) ](https://imemc.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/settlersarmed-e1493294973464.jpg) ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2024, 1:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/3481 "2024-02-11T13:51:06Z")
When i visited Israel, i took the commuter train from the Tel Aviv airport to Jerusalem and soldiers offered us old people seats. The seats aren’t overly roomy, and i sat cuddled up next to one of those big guns. (It was Sunday morning, and soldiers were returning to duty after spending the Sabbath with their families.) ---
**Author:** ![WreckingCrew](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wreckingcrew/32/4080_2.png) [@WreckingCrew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WreckingCrew)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2024, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/3482 "2024-02-11T17:19:45Z")
Does this make Israel blink, or at least think. "Egypt is threatening to suspend its peace treaty with Israel if Israeli troops are sent into the densely populated Gaza border town of Rafah, where it fears fighting could force the closure of the besieged territory’s main aid supply route, two Egyptian officials and a Western diplomat said Sunday. The threat to suspend the Camp David Accords, a cornerstone of regional stability for nearly a half-century, came after Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said sending troops into Rafah was necessary to win the four-month war against the Palestinian militant group Hamas. He said Hamas still has four battalions there." [https://apnews.com/article/israel-hamas-war-news-02-11-2014-785309c668e15728c6aac9905f290b4d](https://apnews.com/article/israel-hamas-war-news-02-11-2014-785309c668e15728c6aac9905f290b4d) ---
**Author:** ![DPRK](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/4491bb/32.png) [@DPRK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DPRK)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2024, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/3483 "2024-02-11T17:35:33Z")
That is not news, in the sense that Egypt has already publicly made it clear it will not be accepting any Palestinian refugees. Any operation is obviously going to send hundreds of thousands of refugees somewhere, and, when you are desperate, at some point crossing the border seems like an increasingly attractive option, border controls or no border controls. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2024, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/3484 "2024-02-11T18:29:25Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > That they’re _not_ trying to make an ethical argument, to those who’d so attack them, about morality or humanity or whatever. Okay. If, as you say, Israel’s government is behaving in a manner inconsistent with morality or humanity or whatever, then anyone who _does_ believe that morality or humanity or whatever is important has a significant choice to make. I believe that, for the sake of humanity or whatever, nations that go rogue in this manner should be isolated and condemned, and support should be withdrawn from them, such that deicding to forgo morality or humanity or whatever turns out not to be a winning choice. As soon as such nations return to caring about morality or humanity or whatever, of course, they should be welcomed back into the community of humanity or whatever. ---
**Author:** ![WreckingCrew](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wreckingcrew/32/4080_2.png) [@WreckingCrew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WreckingCrew)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2024, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/3485 "2024-02-11T18:37:44Z")
It is news in the sense that Egypt is not just saying it isn’t willing to take refugees. It isn’t clear what this means yet, and it may well be nothing more than saber rattling. However, it is news for Egypt to even mention that breaking the Camp David accords is an option. It would be fascinating if the US were forced to choose whether Israel or Egypt is the more important ally. In spite of this, Reuters reported that day that Egypt had warned of “dire consequences” of a potential Israeli military assault on Rafah. “Egypt called for the necessity of uniting all international and regional efforts to prevent the targeting of the Palestinian city of Rafah,” its foreign ministry added in a statement. [https://m.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-786295](https://m.jpost.com/breaking-news/article-786295) ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2024, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/3486 "2024-02-11T19:24:40Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > I believe that, for the sake of humanity or whatever, nations that go rogue in this manner should be isolated and condemned, and support should be withdrawn from them, such that deicding to forgo morality or humanity or whatever turns out not to be a winning choice. As soon as such nations return to caring about morality or humanity or whatever, of course, they should be welcomed back into the community of humanity or whatever. I believe I can meet you halfway on that: that, after all of this, when Israel is no longer ‘going rogue’, it’d be grand for them to get welcomed back into the community of humanity or whatever. But — since they’d presumably be doing otherwise now if they believed ‘otherwise’ would in fact be the winning choice — I think it’s better if they get Susan-Collins-esque concern from the sidelines while they keep doing what they’re doing: some folks can furrow their brows and somberly intone the appropriate sentiments _now,_ and those who make the winning choice can follow suit _later._ ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2024, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/3487 "2024-02-11T19:32:03Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > I believe I can meet you halfway on that We’re done. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [February 11, 2024, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/3488 "2024-02-11T23:05:12Z")
…the footage coming from Nasser Hospital and the immediate surroundings is _utter madness_. Basically, Israeli snipers are shooting at people around the hospital. And are shooting at people _inside_ the hospital. People having to risk their lives, sprinting, using sticks, to try and drag people to safety. All Twitter links, sorry. Spoiled because they contain scenes of people who have been shot. [https://twitter.com/RamAbdu/status/1756770121006174291](https://twitter.com/RamAbdu/status/1756770121006174291) [https://twitter.com/Timesofgaza/status/1756196298372366659](https://twitter.com/Timesofgaza/status/1756196298372366659) [https://twitter.com/swilkinsonbc/status/1756693339070468262](https://twitter.com/swilkinsonbc/status/1756693339070468262) [https://twitter.com/OnlinePalEng/status/1756230793951637619](https://twitter.com/OnlinePalEng/status/1756230793951637619) [https://twitter.com/search?q=nasser%20nurse%20shot&src=typed\_query&f=top](https://twitter.com/search?q=nasser%20nurse%20shot&src=typed_query&f=top) [https://twitter.com/\_FilipeNeves/status/1756794825725075487](https://twitter.com/_FilipeNeves/status/1756794825725075487) In an update from Tedros yesterday: missions to resupply Nasser were denied yesterday by Israel. Missions to the north of Gaza have been regularly denied, leaving the north cut-off from humanitarian aid. But now they are cutting off the hospitals in the south. > [@](#): > > Yesterday’s > > [@WHO](https://twitter.com/WHO) > > mission to Nasser hospital — which is now minimally functional — was denied. We’re deeply concerned about the safety of patients and health personnel due to the intensifying hostilities in the vicinity of the hospital. We repeat: health MUST be protected at all times. > From the latest Flash Update. > [@ReliefWeb](#): > > As of 7 February, there are no fully functional hospitals in Gaza, with 13 of the 36 hospitals only partially functional, according to the World Health Organization (WHO). On 8 January, WHO reported that Shifa Hospital in Gaza city, which had recently resumed some services with the support of WHO and other health partners, had again reverted to only minimal functionality, following days of intense hostilities in its vicinity. “We cannot let the cornerstone of Gaza’s health system collapse again,” WHO stated. “Health care must be actively protected. Hospitals must be urgently resupplied.” > [@](#): > > - Intense fighting in Khan Younis, particularly near Nasser and Al Amal hospitals, continues to jeopardize the safety of medical staff, the wounded and the sick as well as internally displaced persons (IDPs), driving thousands of people into Rafah. On 9 February, [PRCS](https://twitter.com/PalestineRCS/status/1755947828294140047) reported continued attacks near Al Amal Hospital, which has reportedly been under siege for 19 days, and [stated](https://twitter.com/PalestineRCS/status/1755967456508555445) that due to hostilities, they had lost contact with the teams operating inside the hospital. Also on 9 February, allegations of sniper shooting near Nasser Hospital continued with two Palestinians reportedly killed near the facility. In two incidents on 8 February, Israeli forces reportedly fired at a group of people at the entrance of the hospital and another group in its vicinity, killing four and three Palestinians respectively. > [@](#): > > On 8 February, the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights, Volker Türk, stated that the “Israeli Defence Forces (IDF) are reportedly destroying all buildings within the Gaza Strip that are within a kilometre of the Israel-Gaza fence, clearing the area with the objective of creating a ‘buffer zone.’ Destructions carried out to create a ‘buffer zone’ for general security purposes do not appear consistent with the narrow ‘military operations’ exception set out in international humanitarian law. > [@](#): > > Major damage was recorded to 27.5 per cent of all crop land in Gaza and to 20.5 per cent of greenhouses. Some 488 agricultural wells also sustained damage. Another geospatial assessment, conducted by the UN Satellite Centre (UNOSAT), on 30 January 2024, showed damage to 34 per cent of arable land. Most of the infrastructure of the agrifood sector was damaged, ranging from commercial facilities (livestock farms, stores for products and inputs, etc.) to household facilities, such as home barns and animal shelters. > [@](#): > > The port of Gaza has been severely damaged, and most of the fishing boats have been destroyed. On 8 February, the bodies of the two fishermen were recovered after their boat was reportedly struck by Israeli forces in western Rafah on 7 February. > [@](#): > > Since the start of January, humanitarian partners planned 76 missions to deliver aid and undertake assessments to areas to the north of Wadi Gaza. Of these, 12 were fully facilitated by the Israeli authorities, two were partially facilitated, 16 were impeded, 39 were denied, and nine were postponed by the agencies themselves. > [@](#): > > - Over 650,000 people are estimated to have no home to return to. Many more will be unable to return home due to infrastructure damage, and risks posed by explosive remnants of war. > - There is a significant shortage of all essential non-food items (NFIs) for IDPs inside and outside shelters. The Cluster estimates that about 100,000 families need shelter support, including winterized tents or sealing off kits. Just under 1 million people are estimated to need NFIs. > - Partners estimate that the amount of debris from the destruction of residential housing units will exceed 12,000,000 metric tons and will take over four years to remove, given Gaza’s current capabilities. > - Displaced people residing in both formal and informal emergency shelters lack basic NFIs. An estimated hundreds of thousands of people lack adequate shelter. MUCH more at the link. > **[Hostilities in the Gaza Strip and Israel | Flash Update #115 - occupied...](https://reliefweb.int/report/occupied-palestinian-territory/hostilities-gaza-strip-and-israel-flash-update-115)** > > Situation Report in English on occupied Palestinian territory and 1 other country about Contributions, Education, Flood and more; published on 9 Feb 2024 by OCHA ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2024, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/3489 "2024-02-12T01:57:56Z")
…Israel bought an ad at the Super Bowl. And at the same time have launched their offensive against Rafah. I’m already seeing horrific scenes start popping up. At least 60 confirmed dead after an hour of bombing and shelling. 3 Mosques reported destroyed. People abandoning tents and heading to the hospitals, hoping that they will be safe. A lot of dead kids. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2024, 3:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/3490 "2024-02-12T03:50:05Z")
Some wonderful news for a change! [https://www.cnn.com/2024/02/12/middleeast/israel-hostages-rescued-gaza-rafah-intl-hnk/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2024/02/12/middleeast/israel-hostages-rescued-gaza-rafah-intl-hnk/index.html) 2 hostages rescued during operations in Rafah. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2024, 4:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/3491 "2024-02-12T04:09:16Z")
An article that includes pictures of the hostages: [https://www.axios.com/2024/02/12/israel-gaza-hostages-rescue-hamas-idf](https://www.axios.com/2024/02/12/israel-gaza-hostages-rescue-hamas-idf) Both of them are Argentinian citizens. ---
**Author:** ![ASL\_v2.0](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asl_v2.0/32/3525_2.png) [@ASL\_v2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ASL_v2.0)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2024, 4:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/3492 "2024-02-12T04:15:54Z")
You know what? Never mind… ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2024, 4:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/3493 "2024-02-12T04:21:59Z")
…some “wonderful news.” Just saw video footage of the remains of a child, hanging from a building, her legs blown off. And some more footage of people walking down the street, picking up body parts and collecting them in bags. The Super Bowl Slaughter. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [February 12, 2024, 9:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/3494 "2024-02-12T09:56:06Z")
…just read that the heavy bombing that caused indiscriminate slaughter of Palestinian civilians during the Super Bowl was intended as a _diversion_ from the hostage rescue. > [@Axios Reporter](#): > > The IDF and Shin Bet have been working on the rescue operation for several weeks based on intelligence. The operational opportunity came today. The Israeli air force conducted heavy air strikes in Rafah _as a diversion_ to allow the extraction of the two hostages > As I said: the images, that I won’t link to, from the attacks in Rafah are the worst I’ve seen since the start of the conflict. I’m happy the hostages have been freed. But Palestinians are grieving. 110 dead in Rafah, confirmed so far. From Doctors without Borders: > > [@](#): > > “Israel’s declared ground offensive on Rafah would be catastrophic and must not proceed. > > As aerial bombardment of the area continues, more than a million people, many living in tents and makeshift shelters, now face a dramatic escalation in this ongoing massacre… > > “Nowhere in Gaza is safe, and repeated forced displacements have pushed people to Rafah, where they are trapped in a tiny patch of land and have no options… > > “Since 7 October 2023, our medical teams and patients have been forced to evacuate nine different healthcare facilities in the Gaza Strip, after coming under fire from tanks, artillery, fighter jets, snipers and ground troops, or being subject to an evacuation order… > > “Medical staff & patients have been arrested, abused & killed. All this has taken place in full view of world leaders. It’s now near impossible to work in Gaza, all our attempts to provide lifesaving care to Palestinians have been diminished by Israel’s conduct of hostilities… > > “The needs are overwhelming and the situation requires a safe humanitarian response at a much larger scale… [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317.md?page=167) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317.md?page=169)