# Discussion thread for the Hamas Attacks Israel thread, October 2023 **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Tags:** israel-hamas-war\ **Created:** [October 9, 2023, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317 "2023-10-09T15:10:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 186
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2024, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/3836 "2024-03-05T01:04:59Z")
…more context on the US drop, again from Dave Harden: > [@](#): > > The US Air Force air dropped 38,000 meals on Saturday into Gaza, less than one truck load equivalent. By contrast a relatively small US NGO, [@AneraOrg](https://twitter.com/AneraOrg) delivers 150,000 meals daily, 4x the amount of this US Air Force drop. > I can’t emphasize enough how insignificant the US air drops will be here. Not unless they ramp it up to multiple drops per day. Meanwhile, Harden says that Israel has finally started to facilitate food convoys from the north, and reportedly over 200 trucks were allowed into Gaza, one of the biggest days in months. This is a good thing, and I hope it continues. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2024, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/3837 "2024-03-05T02:05:37Z")
[https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/04/europe/un-team-sexual-abuse-oct-7-hostages-intl/index.html](https://www.cnn.com/2024/03/04/europe/un-team-sexual-abuse-oct-7-hostages-intl/index.html) > [@](#): > > A United Nations team has found “clear and convincing” information that hostages in Gaza were sexually abused, Pramila Patten, the UN special envoy on sexual violence in conflict told reporters on Monday. There are “reasonable grounds” to believe the sexual violence is ongoing, she added. > > According to Patten, the team also found “reasonable grounds to believe that conflict related sexual violence, including rape and gang rape occurred” during Hamas’ October 7 terror attack in Israel, in what is the most definitive finding by the global organization on sexual assault allegations in the aftermath of the attack. > > The report said that the mission team found that, across various locations in Israel, “several fully naked or partially naked bodies from the waist down were recovered – mostly women – with hands tied and shot multiple times, often in the head.” I’m sure someone will be by shortly with an explanation of how this isn’t that bad / isn’t what it looks like / was probably all made up by those nefarious Israelis anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2024, 2:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/3838 "2024-03-05T02:54:54Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > I can’t emphasize enough how insignificant the US air drops will be here. Not unless they ramp it up to multiple drops per day. How much is planned to be dropped? You must know this to emphasize such a statement. ---
**Author:** ![Chisquirrel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6bbea6/32.png) [@Chisquirrel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chisquirrel)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2024, 3:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/3839 "2024-03-05T03:28:30Z")
I’m sorry, do you truly think anyone is going to respond with “they deserved it” or “nope, obviously never happened”? Last I checked, there’s only one person completely okay with any atrocities committed by one side. Everything in that article is atrocious. Does that really seem up for debate? ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2024, 3:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/3840 "2024-03-05T03:41:04Z")
> [@Smapti](#): > > I’m sure someone will be by shortly with an explanation of how this isn’t that bad / isn’t what it looks like / was probably all made up by those nefarious Israelis anyway. …_everyone_ in this thread have 100% condemned the Hamas attacks of October the 7th and any atrocities that they committed. Including me. Yet not everyone here condemns the atrocities committed by the IDF. Some even argue/explain how this isn’t that bad / isn’t what it looks like / was probably all made up by those nefarious Palestinians anyway. > [@Magiver](#): > > How much is planned to be dropped? You must know this to emphasize such a statement. How many drops have there been since Saturday? Over 200 trucks went in today. Over 200 times what the US dropped a few days ago. And Gaza is needing 500 times that _every single day_. Actions speak louder than words. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2024, 12:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/3841 "2024-03-05T12:14:04Z")
Moderating: > [@Smapti](#): > > I’m sure someone will be by shortly with an explanation of how this isn’t that bad / isn’t what it looks like / was probably all made up by those nefarious Israelis anyway. Please stick to the topic, and don’t drop accusations about other posters. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2024, 11:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/3842 "2024-03-05T23:06:34Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > Actions speak louder than words. Did the trucks deliver to the air drop location? Did they have MRE’s which contain a day’s worth of food for one person or sacks of flour that require storage and preperation? Actions do speak louder than words when you can target food the those who need it most. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2024, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/3843 "2024-03-05T23:19:24Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > Did the trucks deliver to the air drop location? …again: the airdrop location was in the Israeli designated “safe zone”, the place that is probably the easiest part of Gaza to get aid too right now. > [@Magiver](#): > > Did they have MRE’s which contain a day’s worth of food for one person or sacks of flour that require storage and preperation? One would hope that the airdrops would contain supplies that the humanitarian agencies on the ground thinks would be the most appropriate. Unfortunately, according to US spokespeople they didn’t coordinate with anyone on the ground. > [@Magiver](#): > > Actions do speak louder than words when you can target food the those who need it most. Shame they didn’t do that. The food from that airdrop? 33,000 meals? It was used and consumed five days ago. Since then the small NGO I talked about above has sent in _750,000 meals._ ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2024, 11:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/3844 "2024-03-05T23:21:09Z")
[The Times of Israel 5-Mar 2024](https://www.timesofisrael.com/us-makes-second-gaza-aid-airdrop-in-joint-operation-with-jordan-and-egypt/) **US makes second Gaza aid airdrop, in joint operation with Jordan and Egypt** - Over 36,000 meals dropped in northern Gaza, ‘an area of great need,’ US military announces; Biden says US pulling out every stop for more humanitarian assistance in enclave - After Saturday’s airdrop focused on southern Gaza, Tuesday’s airdrop targeted northern Gaza, which has been largely cut off from humanitarian assistance as Israel seeks to prevent a resurgence of Hamas activity in areas that were once strongholds for the terror group. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2024, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/3845 "2024-03-05T23:28:12Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > One would hope that the airdrops would contain supplies that the humanitarian agencies on the ground thinks would be the most appropriate. Unfortunately, according to US spokespeople they didn’t coordinate with anyone on the ground. The videos of food sent in by truck shows people doling out some kind of flour into whatever containers the people bring with them. MRE’s are packets of already prepped food that can be served from the package. > [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > Shame they didn’t do that. The food from that airdrop? 33,000 meals? It was used and consumed five days ago. They were consumed by people in remotes areas that needed it the most. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2024, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/3846 "2024-03-05T23:38:48Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > The videos of food sent in by truck shows people doling out some kind of flour into whatever containers the people bring with them. …they need flour! With flour they can make bread! And they can eat bread! > [@Magiver](#): > > MRE’s are packets of already prepped food that can be served from the package. Send them in as well! They need 500 trucks of aid per day. Send it _all_ in. > [@Magiver](#): > > They were consumed by people in remotes areas that needed it the most. They were dropped in Al-Mawasi, the designated safe zone that Israel have been telling the citizens of Gaza to head to since the start of the war. Its only “remote” in the sense that there was nothing there at the start of the war, but has had to set up infrastructure to support the influx of people escaping the violence of the north. It isn’t where the aid is most needed. That would be up in the north. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2024, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/3847 "2024-03-05T23:48:45Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > They were dropped in Al-Mawasi, the designated safe zone that Israel have been telling the citizens of Gaza to head to since the start of the war. Its only “remote” in the sense that there was nothing there at the start of the war, but has had to set up infrastructure to support the influx of people escaping the violence of the north. It’s remote in the sense that they aren’t getting trucks. they’re also planning on food movements by sea this week. As for the flights, there were 20 in the last 2 weeks all targeting areas that are hard to get trucks to. > [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > …they need flour! > > With flour they can make bread! And they can eat bread! Bread is time consuming to make and requires stoves and containers to make. Bread also lacks nutrition. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [March 5, 2024, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/3848 "2024-03-05T23:51:35Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > It isn’t where the aid is most needed. That would be up in the north. And I posted that they dropped the 2nd load in the North today. You’ll note the first drop was along the water’s edge and was a test drop to monitor how it was processed. That would also serve the upcoming food movement from the Sea. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2024, 12:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/3849 "2024-03-06T00:09:59Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > It’s remote in the sense that they aren’t getting trucks. …you claimed it was dropped in “areas that needed it the most.” That isn’t Al-Mawasi. People are dying of malnutrition in the north. The food is most desperately needed in the north. Trucks are unable to get to the north. Trucks can get to Al-Mawasi. > [@Magiver](#): > > they’re also planning on food movements by sea this week. Any food at the moment would be welcome. But getting more trucks in and securing humanitarian corridors will get the aid to people in Gaza _faster_. > [@Magiver](#): > > As for the flights, there were 20 in the last 2 weeks all targeting areas that are hard to get trucks to. As in 20 flights from the US? Or 20 flights all up? > [@Magiver](#): > > Bread is time consuming to make and requires stoves and containers to make. Bread also lacks nutrition. Well its not as if Palestinians living in tents have got a job to go to during the day. I can assure you that the “time to make bread” is the very least of the problems at the moment. Time isn’t the problem. A sack of flour is infinitely more useful than a single MRE. > **[Palestinian Woman Uses Paper as Fuel to Bake Bread | VOA News](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZTY_PKgPj8%2F)** > > Sitting on the pavement outside the UNRWA school in Rafah, south of the Gaza Strip, a woman bakes bread by burning paper and whatever firewood she can find. ... > [@Magiver](#): > > And I posted that they dropped the 2nd load in the North today. Wow. A second truckload already? Two truckloads of food in just under a week? The United States of America is really showcasing why it’s the worlds only real superpower here. > [@Magiver](#): > > You’ll note the first drop was along the water’s edge and was a test drop to monitor how it was processed. That would also serve the upcoming food movement from the Sea. Its not a fucking science experiment. Its not the hunger games. There are established humanitarian agencies on the ground that don’t need to do multiple “tests” to figure out what people will do when you randomly drop food on their heads. Only the strongest and most able will benefit from these random, under resourced food drops. Again: any aid at this point is welcome. But let’s not pretend that this is a significant effort. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2024, 12:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/3850 "2024-03-06T00:37:55Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > Its not a fucking science experiment. Its not the hunger games. It was a logistics test. Literally. > [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > Wow. A second truckload already? Two truckloads of food in just under a week? > > The United States of America is really showcasing why it’s the worlds only real superpower here. It was 2 airlifts 3 days apart with more to follow. Your sarcasm not withstanding. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2024, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/3851 "2024-03-06T00:41:35Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > There are established humanitarian agencies on the ground that don’t need to do multiple “tests” to figure out what people will do when you randomly drop food on their heads. Well then they should be doing the airdrops. Problem solved. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2024, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/3852 "2024-03-06T00:48:15Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > It was a logistics test. Literally. …“logistics” as in “a test drop to monitor how it was processed” as in “what would people do when food is randomly dropped on their heads?” > [@Magiver](#): > > It was 2 airlifts 3 days apart with more to follow. Your sarcasm not withstanding. It was two truckloads. And maybe a few more truckloads sometime, perhaps. > [@Magiver](#): > > Well then they should be doing the airdrops. Problem solved. More specifically, the United States should be coordinating with these humanitarian agencies asking “how can we help?” Not reinventing the wheel and doing their own thing. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2024, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/3853 "2024-03-06T00:56:36Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > …“logistics” as in “a test drop to monitor how it was processed” as in “what would people do when food is randomly dropped on their heads?” Well there’s a war on so yes, they monitored the drop to see if it was dispersed as intended. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2024, 12:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/3854 "2024-03-06T00:57:56Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > More specifically, the United States should be coordinating with these humanitarian agencies asking “how can we help?” Not reinventing the wheel and doing their own thing. The drops are coordinated between Egypt and Jordan. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [March 6, 2024, 1:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/3855 "2024-03-06T01:01:38Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > Well there’s a war on so yes, they monitored the drop to see if it was dispersed as intended. …from David Harden again: > [@](#): > > Watch this video. These airdrops of food are inconsequential, will not blunt famine risk, are not coordinated with relief agencies on the ground, and are captured by the strongest, fastest, most networked rather than those most in need. > > [@Magiver](#): > > The drops are coordinated between Egypt and Jordan. Egypt and Jordan _are not on the ground in Gaza_. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317.md?page=185) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317.md?page=187)