# Discussion thread for the Hamas Attacks Israel thread, October 2023 **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Tags:** israel-hamas-war\ **Created:** [October 9, 2023, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317 "2023-10-09T15:10:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 193
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2024, 12:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/3976 "2024-03-31T00:59:11Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > In your opinion. …the evidence for this is overwhelming. Start with “Expressions of Genocidal Intent against the Palestinian People by Israeli State Officials and Others”, from page 59 of the South African submission to the International Court of Justice. They literally said they were going to starve Gaza. And that’s where we are now. ---
**Author:** ![Slithy\_Tove](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slithy_tove/32/18248_2.png) [@Slithy\_Tove](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Slithy_Tove)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2024, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/3977 "2024-03-31T01:08:18Z")
Unless there was a ransom note we weren’t told about, instructing Netanyahu to put a gym bag stuffed with cash into a culvert at midnight, it’s pretty obvious the hostages are to keep the IDF killing civilians. Not keep from killing but rather to ensure killing. Usually that’s the opposite of hostage-taking, as was practiced by those gentle Vikings, Mongols and Mafia: even the word “host” is inserted right there. But that’s not how either side sees this game as playable. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2024, 8:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/3978 "2024-03-31T08:22:46Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > > [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > > > Israel will never allow Palestinians back here to rebuild. This isn’t about the hostages. This is an annexation. > > You should let Hamas know that because the Israelis would like their hostages back. Again - I expect most of the Israeli hostages are dead now. Because the Israelis are killing everyone in Gaza without regard. [There is a documented case of the IDF killing three of them despite the white flag.](https://www.npr.org/2023/12/15/1219695220/israel-soldiers-mistakenly-kill-hostages-gaza). It’s about slaughter, not about “rescue” of their own. > [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > And that this isn’t a war but a genocide. > [@Magiver](#): > > In your opinion. Not just his opinion - many, many opinions. Largely because of the systematic starvation of the population, indiscriminate bombing, and that apparently the IDF can kill anyone and everyone in Gaza BUT Hamas. ---
**Author:** ![DWMarch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dwmarch/32/1010_2.png) [@DWMarch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DWMarch)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2024, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/3979 "2024-04-01T00:28:18Z")
I’m surprised this hasn’t been posted yet: > **[GOP Rep. Tim Walberg suggests Gaza should be handled 'like Nagasaki and...](https://www.yahoo.com/news/gop-rep-tim-walberg-suggests-190227011.html)** > > Rep. Tim Walberg, R-Mich., said this week that the conflict in Gaza should be over quickly "like Nagasaki and Hiroshima." In comments since, Walberg has said he was using a metaphor. That’s a very particular choice of metaphor if you ask me. End the war with the quickness of nuclear bombs except don’t take it as a suggestion that that is what you should actually do. No, do the other thing that works like nuclear bombs to end wars but doesn’t require nuclear bombs. You know, _the other thing_. You know what I mean, don’t you? It’s a metaphor. Also, it seems to me that Netanyahu doesn’t want the war to be over quickly. He needs there to be a perpetual enemy because he’s “the only one who can keep Israel safe” (and in doing so, keep himself safe from going to jail). I would bet if Hamas surrendered unconditionally tomorrow, returned all of the hostages and renounced violence, he’d reject the offer and continue the war. I don’t think there is any future for Gaza other than war so long as Netanyahu is in charge. (And in anticipation of the objection that the future for Gaza isn’t any brighter under anyone else who might take Bibi’s place, I will accept that at face value. But his successors weren’t the ones trying to rewrite the laws of the country to get out of trouble before this happened. Netanyahu needs the war; others can take it or leave it.) > **[Israelis stage largest protest since war began to increase pressure on Netanyahu](https://www.yahoo.com/news/israeli-airstrike-hospital-tent-camp-113126950.html)** > > Tens of thousands of Israelis thronged central Jerusalem on Sunday in the largest anti-government protest since the country went to war in October. Protesters urged the government to reach a cease-fire deal to free dozens of hostages held in Gaza by... ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2024, 3:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/3980 "2024-04-01T03:57:23Z")
…reports that the IDF have finally withdrawn from Al Shifa, burning the buildings just before they left. > > > Diaa Mahmoud | ضياء محمود @DiaaMahmoud ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2024, 8:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/3981 "2024-04-01T08:19:51Z")
Just burned? What, no salt to finish the job properly? ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [April 1, 2024, 11:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/3982 "2024-04-01T11:06:56Z")
…footage and the evidence of atrocities at Al Shifa are starting to filter out. Don’t go looking it up. But there were stories of field executions over the last week or so, now that the IDF have withdrawn from the hospital, they are finding evidence of field executions. From a reporter that visited today: > [@](#): > > I have been working nonstop for the past 6 months covering what’s happening in Gaza, but what I saw today while visiting Al-Shifa hospital was unlike anything I’ve ever witnessed before : > > Israeli occupation forces executed 300 Palestinians in and around the hospital, and this morning, I witnessed hundreds of bodies outside the hospital , their wasn’t one full body all the bodies were either pieces or heavily mutilated . > > The bodies were in horrific conditions; many had their hands and legs tied behind their backs and were flattened by a bulldozer. > > Many of the bodies were burned and left to be crushed to pieces. > > Several bodies were decomposed and partly eaten by stray dogs. > > Most of the bodies were unrecognizable; families could only identify them by their clothes. > > Al-Shifa hospital was considered the largest medical complex in the Gaza Strip, catering to many complex cases. It has been completely destroyed; they burned it down and destroyed all medical equipment. > Some footage of the now destroyed hospital. > A tribute to one of those killed at the hospital: > [@](#): > > They killed my friend and colleague Dr Ahmad Maqadmeh at Shifa Hospital. A beautifull soul and a great surgeon. We worked together in the Great Marches of Return and the 2021 war and then this recent war. His dedication was unlike anything I have ever seen. We will never forgive. > > He spent this war going from Shifa hospital to Al Quds Hospital and when he was free he would join me at Al Ahli. Always dedicated, always wanting to learn. He refused to leave the north and kept sending me photos of his surgeries. He leaves behind a wife and baby. > What happened at Al Shifa is the biggest atrocity of the war in a literal _sea_ of atrocities. This was the third raid of the hospital. And now it is out of action for good. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2024, 12:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/3983 "2024-04-02T00:39:05Z")
…the IDF have just killed several aid workers from the World Central Kitchen. Here is video of them from a week ago. > A news story. > **[Australian among five World Central Kitchen workers reportedly killed in...](https://www.newshub.co.nz/home/world/2024/04/australian-among-five-world-central-kitchen-workers-reportedly-killed-in-israeli-airstrike-in-gaza.html)** > > Those killed in the incident included citizens of Poland, Australia and Britain, as well as one Palestinian, a spokesperson said. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2024, 8:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/3984 "2024-04-02T08:44:13Z")
It’s become clear to me that anyone in Gaza is considered to either be Hamas or working with Hamas and thus an enemy to be killed by the IDF. Truly appalling. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2024, 12:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/3985 "2024-04-02T12:44:21Z")
…some clarity on the attack on the World Central Kitchen workers. A statement from World Central Kitchen: > [@](#): > > The WCK team was traveling in a deconflicted zone in two armored cars branded with the WCK logo and a soft skin vehicle. > > Despite coordinating movements with the IDF, the convoy was hit as it was leaving the Deir al-Balah warehouse, where the team had unloaded more than 100 tons of humanitarian food aid brought to Gaza on the maritime route. > > “This is not only an attack against WCK, this is an attack on humanitarian organizations showing up in the most dire of situations where food is being used as a weapon of war. This is unforgivable,” said World Central Kitchen CEO Erin Gore. > > … > > World Central Kitchen is pausing our operations immediately in the region. We will be making decisions about the future of our work soon. > **[World Central Kitchen | 7 WCK team members killed in Gaza](https://wck.org/news/gaza-team-update)** > > World Central Kitchen is devastated to confirm seven members of our team have been killed in an IDF strike in Gaza. Here is video of one of the vehicles. You can clearly see the WCK logo on the roof. There is a hole right through it. > One of the other vehicles is here: > More details: > [@](#): > > "According to sources acquainted with the details of the incident, the Operation Room in charge of securing the route identified an armed person on the truck and suspected this was a terrorist. By the time preparations were made for the attack, the truck arrived… > > at the warehouse, together with the three WKC vehicles carrying seven volunteers… minutes later, the three vehicles left the warehouse, without the truck on which an armed person was allegedly sighted. The cars traveled on a route already confirmed to WKC by the IDF. The IDF > > was also made aware of the timing of this particular convoy. At some point, while convoy was traveling on the authorised route, the Operations Room ordered the drone operator to strike one of the vehicles. Some passengers were seen leaving the stricken vehicle and moving… > > to the other two. They had time to alert superiors they had been attacked, but seconds later were struck by a second missile. They began moving wounded to 3rd car, and that’s when the 3rd missile hit. All seven volunteers were killed." > This is actually far worse than I imagined. > Original source (paywalled) : > **[צה"ל ירה שלוש פעמים אל שיירת הסיוע, היעד לתקיפה עזב לפני שיצאה לדרך](https://www.haaretz.co.il/news/politics/2024-04-02/ty-article/.premium/0000018e-9e1e-d764-adff-9edf9cd00000)** > > הארץ They were _hunted_. And its had an immediate effect. World Central Kitchen have suspended operations. As I mentioned earlier, over the last few weeks the IDF have been targeting people waiting for aid, committees organizing logistics, the police, warehouses, a deliberate strategy targeting food distribution. This makes the deaths of hundreds of thousands of Palestinians through famine even more likely. From Euro Med Monitor, regarding Al Shifa: **“Gaza: Shifa Medical Complex witnesses one of the largest massacres in Palestinian history.”** > [@](#): > > The Israeli army carried out a massive, shockingly horrific military operation in Al-Shifa Medical Complex in Gaza City over the course of the past two weeks, indiscriminately targeting and attacking Palestinians regardless of their civilian status, professional standing, gender, age, or health condition. > > Though the exact number of casualties from the atrocity is still unknown, preliminary reports suggest that over 1,500 Palestinians have been killed, injured, or are reported missing as a result of the massacre at Al-Shifa, with women and children making up half of the casualties. Euro-Med Monitor is able to confirm from its initial investigation and testimonies that hundreds of dead bodies, including some burned, and others with their heads and limbs severed, have been discovered both inside Al-Shifa Medical Complex and in the hospital’s surrounding area. > > … > > Al-Shifa Medical Complex is currently out of service due to the Israeli army bombing and setting fire to every one of its buildings, including the mortuary and all internal and external courtyards and corridors. > > … > > Members of the Israeli army forced more than 25,000 Palestinian civilians to evacuate their homes in the vicinity of Al-Shifa Medical Complex. These forced evacuations occurred after Israel committed horrendous crimes against local families, including killing, direct targeting, besieging, and starving them, as well as arbitrary arrests and destroying and burning homes and civilian objects. According to initial estimates, the Israeli army demolished and set ablaze over 1,200 housing units in the vicinity of Al-Shifa Medical Complex. > > … > > As Israel has not yet produced any documentation to justify or validate its massive and dangerous execution of crimes that are flagrant violations of international humanitarian law, all international bodies and institutions present and operating in the Gaza Strip, including the Office of the United Nations High Commissioner for Human Rights, should visit the crime scene, document all forensic evidence associated with it, and gather witness and victim testimonies. > **[Gaza: Shifa Medical Complex witnesses one of the largest massacres in...](https://euromedmonitor.org/en/article/6254/Gaza:-Shifa-Medical-Complex-witnesses-one-of-the-largest-massacres-in-Palestinian-history)** > > Preliminary reports suggest that over 1,500 Palestinians have been killed, injured, or are reported missing Edited to add: “Aid ships are turning back from Gaza with around 240 tons of undelivered aid after the killing of 7 World Central Kitchen aid workers.” > ---
**Author:** ![ASL\_v2.0](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asl_v2.0/32/3525_2.png) [@ASL\_v2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ASL_v2.0)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2024, 12:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/3986 "2024-04-02T12:46:00Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > Some footage of the now destroyed hospital. It’s funny how we haven’t heard anything more about the _very big_ and _totally not imaginary_ tunnel network that the IDF just _knew was there_ and even had artist renditions of before they overran the place. You think we’ll ever see a picture of that Hamas command center? ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2024, 12:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/3987 "2024-04-02T12:53:06Z")
> [@ASL\_v2.0](#): > > It’s funny how we haven’t heard anything more about the _very big_ and _totally not imaginary_ tunnel network that the IDF just _knew was there_ and even had artist renditions of before they overran the place. You think we’ll ever see a picture of that Hamas command center? …the IDF raided, occupied and expelled everyone from Al Shifa _three times_. They didn’t find the thousands of terrorists and large caches of weapons the first couple of times, but somehow this time? When I said “I’m done” earlier on in this thread, it was because I had resigned myself to the fact that its over. Israel aren’t going to suddenly back down. They will let hundreds of thousands of people starve, keep everyone else trapped in a concentration camp in Rafah, and the international community will just let it happen. ---
**Author:** ![Thing.Fish](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thing.fish/32/9168_2.png) [@Thing.Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing.Fish)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2024, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/3988 "2024-04-02T14:18:54Z")
And here we have extensive eyewitness accounts from trauma surgeons suggesting that IDF snipers routinely target children and elderly people. Such a light unto the fucking nations we are. > **[‘Not a normal war’: doctors say children have been targeted by Israeli...](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/apr/02/gaza-palestinian-children-killed-idf-israel-war)** > > IDF says it ‘completely rejects’ charge that its soldiers deliberately fired on any of the thousands of civilians killed in Israeli offensive ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2024, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/3989 "2024-04-02T14:42:10Z")
Not to mention targeting press, doctors, and aid workers. That world central kitchen vehicle was targeted. 😢 ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2024, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/3990 "2024-04-02T14:44:15Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > …the IDF raided, occupied and expelled everyone from Al Shifa _three times_. They didn’t find the thousands of terrorists and large caches of weapons the first couple of times, but somehow this time? The Jerusalem Post has a couple of articles with their POV on this. > **[IDF's Shifa Hospital raid: Why Israel is fighting the war it should've fought...](https://www.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-794603)** > > To further understand Hamas's return to Shifa Hospital, it is imperative to understand that these terrorists are more like aging members of a mafia than aging terrorists. > **[This is how Israel's Navy SEALs took over al Shifa Hospital](https://www.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-794758)** > > Now, top officers do not even refer to Shifa as “Shifa Hospital” but as “the Shifa compound” to reflect their belief that it was more a command center than an abused hospital. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2024, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/3991 "2024-04-02T15:03:58Z")
> [@Darren\_Garrison](#): > > The Jerusalem Post has a couple of articles with their POV on this. > > [Who are the Hamas terrorists that returned to Shifa Hospital? - The Jerusalem Post](https://www.jpost.com/israel-hamas-war/article-794603) …I read it. Hospitals are protected under the Geneva Conventions and International Humanitarian Law. The claims made in those articles are _outlandish_, not supported by any evidence produced by Israel to the international community at all. The IDF literally set fire to the hospital as they left. They’ve destroyed the healthcare system all over Gaza. This isn’t defensible. This was a massacre. War crimes on a massive scale. It was never a “compound.” It was a hospital. ---
**Author:** ![Thing.Fish](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thing.fish/32/9168_2.png) [@Thing.Fish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thing.Fish)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2024, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/3992 "2024-04-02T15:41:30Z")
One of those articles is about two Hamas leaders allegedly killed in the attack, and has very little to say about the attack itself. The other cites literally no sources except for official IDF spokespeople. Compare this to the article I posted, which is based on extensive interviews with civilian international volunteer doctors. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2024, 10:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/3993 "2024-04-02T22:47:49Z")
…after UNRWA, apparently Anera is the second-biggest distributor of aid in Gaza. Today, prompted in part by the attack on the World Central Kitchen, have suspended operations in Gaza: > [@](#): > > For the first time, our colleagues in Gaza have expressed that they can not continue to work under the unprecedented conditions they’re facing, with more than 200 aid workers killed as they delivered humanitarian relief. After six months of constant bombing and flagrant violations of international law, and with consultation from our Gaza team, Anera has concluded it is best to pause our operations. > > This latest attack which killed seven World Central Kitchen (WCK) workers is a part of the same pattern of targeted attacks on humanitarian aid workers that claimed the life of Anera’s staff member Mousa Shawwa last month. Like Anera, WCK has taken all required precautions international aid organizations have been told would ensure the safety of their staff, including sharing the coordinates of their workers, having clearly marked trucks, and working in deconflicted zones. However, even with meeting these conditions the attack on WCK has proven that humanitarian aid workers are not safe. > > As it stands, currently delivering aid puts not just humanitarian workers at risk but also those who are receiving the aid. Our team in Gaza has determined that at this point the risk of actively delivering aid is far too great. > **[Frequently Asked Questions about Gaza Projects | Anera](https://www.anera.org/faq-emergency-response-gaza-west-bank/)** > > People often wonder how we are able to work so effectively and efficiently in Gaza amid the ongoing blockade. We've answered your questions about Gaza here. This has all been part of deliberate policy to stop the flow of aid to Gaza. From the continual allowance of protests that have effectively shut down Kerem Shalom border crossing, to the screening process that rejects dual-use truckloads of aid that include anything from scissors to green tents, to the targeted killings of committees, police, and people involved in the supply chain, destruction of warehouses, the campaign to discredit UNRWA, its all part of the same thing. This latest incident with the WCT has bought it to global attention. But at least 200 aid workers have been killed so far since the start of this “war.” The last three flash updates talked about attacks on groups that were merely waiting for aid. ---
**Author:** ![DWMarch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dwmarch/32/1010_2.png) [@DWMarch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DWMarch)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2024, 12:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/3994 "2024-04-03T00:40:37Z")
Netanyahu said the strike on the aid van was unintentional but if it was an accident, it was a pretty precise one. There are pictures of the van’s roof showing the hole and how the munition that made that hole would have landed basically right behind the driver and passenger seats. I know from reading Never Mind, We’ll Do It Ourselves that about twenty years ago drone strikes quickly went from “we’re not sure we can launch a missile from a drone at all” to “which window do you want this Hellfire missile to go through?” But this one was an accident, so says Bibi. Landed the weapon in the coffee cup holder _by accident_. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2024, 1:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/3995 "2024-04-03T01:38:14Z")
…an update on Al Shifa: an improvised press conference outside the remains of the hospital. > In summary: - the building and medical equipment have basically been destroyed - the surgical complex has been destroyed - they talk about a number of the medical team found dead, and a number that are now missing - the dialysis unit, which served 450 patients, is destroyed - the hospital can no longer receive patients, perform operations or offer intensive care - the central laboratory for Gaza has been destroyed - there is no other hospital in Gaza that could fulfil the role that Al Shifa did - the only operational hospital in Northern Gaza now is Kamal Edwan, which is low capacity - they are desperately calling for a field hospital to be set up of at least 180 bed capacity More at the link (a video, about seven minutes long) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317.md?page=192) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317.md?page=194)