# Discussion thread for the Hamas Attacks Israel thread, October 2023 **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Tags:** israel-hamas-war\ **Created:** [October 9, 2023, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317 "2023-10-09T15:10:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 197
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [April 13, 2024, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/4056 "2024-04-13T17:17:29Z")
> [@ASL\_v2.0](#): > > Don’t forget all the incompetence that preceded October 7th and allowed Hamas to achieve surprise. Incompetence would be to start a guerilla religious war in the hopes other countries join in. ---
**Author:** ![Crane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crane/32/3495_2.png) [@Crane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crane)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2024, 12:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/4057 "2024-04-16T12:40:01Z")
> [@Magiver](#): > > That’s an act of war on the part of Hamas just as the hostage taking is. No, these are acts of resistance against colonialism. During 2023 Israel killed [477](https://edition.cnn.com/middleeast/live-news/israel-hamas-war-gaza-news-12-16-23/h_b60eefa90fd1779f9b2b8cbf8d823c41) Palestinians in occupied territories outside of Gaza. In the Oct 7 uprising [695](https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/israel-social-security-data-reveals-true-picture-of-oct-7-deaths/ar-AA1lxWmV) Israeli civilians were killed. The conflict should be viewed in proper context. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2024, 12:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/4058 "2024-04-16T12:44:44Z")
> [@Crane](#): > > No, these are acts of resistance against colonialism Lets us all celebrate Hamas for their brave acts of Rapesistance. Thank you for recognizing their bravery and heroism, @Crane. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2024, 1:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/4059 "2024-04-16T13:04:02Z")
> [@Crane](#): > > > [@Magiver](#): > > > > That’s an act of war on the part of Hamas just as the hostage taking is. > > No, these are acts of resistance against colonialism. Those two points are not mutually exclusive. ---
**Author:** ![Crane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crane/32/3495_2.png) [@Crane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crane)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2024, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/4060 "2024-04-16T18:07:02Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > Those two points are not mutually exclusive. Good point, militant resistance is an act of war. The issue is that Israel is engaged in the form of local colonialism employed by [Nazi Germany](https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/journal-of-global-history/article/colonial-crossovers-nazi-germany-and-its-entanglements-with-other-empires/E71F372A95F984784090512D88107C22). Though less kind than the Waffen SS, Israel seeks the same ends. That is bound to arouse resistance by those being colonized. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2024, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/4061 "2024-04-16T18:22:22Z")
> [@Crane](#): > > Though less kind than the Waffen SS, Israel seeks the same ends. …_less_ kind? ---
**Author:** ![Crane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crane/32/3495_2.png) [@Crane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crane)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2024, 6:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/4062 "2024-04-16T18:40:55Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > …_less_ kind? Much less. ---
**Author:** ![Smapti](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/smapti/32/17938_2.png) [@Smapti](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Smapti)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2024, 9:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/4063 "2024-04-16T21:13:44Z")
People these days just don’t appreciate how kind and considerate the Nazis were. /s ---
**Author:** ![Crane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crane/32/3495_2.png) [@Crane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crane)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2024, 9:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/4064 "2024-04-16T21:22:15Z")
They might give it some thought compared to the IDF. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2024, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/4065 "2024-04-16T21:36:39Z")
Moderating: > [@Crane](#): > > > [@Broomstick](#): > > > > Those two points are not mutually exclusive. > > Good point, militant resistance is an act of war. > > The issue is that Israel is engaged in the form of local colonialism employed by [Nazi Germany](https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/journal-of-global-history/article/colonial-crossovers-nazi-germany-and-its-entanglements-with-other-empires/E71F372A95F984784090512D88107C22). Though less kind than the Waffen SS, Israel seeks the same ends. That is bound to arouse resistance by those being colonized. This is MPSIMS, not the pit. It’s not even p&e. Please refrain from incendiary language, or you’ll be banned from the thread altogether. I’m sure you can find a way to say that you think the IDF is doing bad stuff without saying, “it’s literally worse than Hitler”. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2024, 10:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/4066 "2024-04-16T22:03:36Z")
Just to be clear - that was for Crane and not me, correct? ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [April 16, 2024, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/4067 "2024-04-16T22:08:18Z")
Yes that was directed at Crane. ---
**Author:** ![Crane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crane/32/3495_2.png) [@Crane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crane)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2024, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/4068 "2024-04-17T01:52:45Z")
I have been appropriately chastised and will mend my ways. I apologize for the offense. Crane ---
**Author:** ![Ryan\_Liam](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ryan_liam/32/3965_2.png) [@Ryan\_Liam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ryan_Liam)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2024, 1:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/4069 "2024-04-19T13:20:07Z")
Oh please ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2024, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/4070 "2024-04-19T15:44:31Z")
Moderating: > [@Ryan\_Liam](#): > > Oh please Please don’t attack other posters outside the pit. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [May 20, 2024, 1:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/4071 "2024-05-20T13:27:54Z")
Looks like Bibi’s clock is ticking. > **[An ultimatum raises pressure on Netanyahu to make postwar plans for Gaza](https://abcnews.go.com/International/wireStory/ultimatum-raises-pressure-netanyahu-make-postwar-plans-gaza-110366002)** > > Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu has come under mounting pressure from his own War Cabinet and his country’s closest ally over postwar plans for Gaza Both Gallant and Gantz have given Netanyahu ultimatums over planning for the day after the war ends in Gaza. My guess is that the unity government is not long for the world. It did its job during the heaviest fighting; now that the war is being wrapped up, it’s time for the political fights necessary to secure a lasting victory. ---
**Author:** ![Crane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crane/32/3495_2.png) [@Crane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crane)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2024, 12:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/4072 "2024-05-22T12:17:25Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > now that the war is being wrapped up, it’s time for the political fights necessary to secure a lasting victory. The war is wrapped up when Hamas no longer has the means or will to fight. That is not yet the case. Netanyahu will not go gently. ---
**Author:** ![FinsToTheLeft](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/finstotheleft/32/2930_2.png) [@FinsToTheLeft](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FinsToTheLeft)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2024, 1:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/4073 "2024-05-22T13:36:55Z")
> [@Crane](#): > > Netanyahu will not go gently. Especially if it is in handcuffs from his corruption charges. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2024, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/4074 "2024-05-22T14:36:46Z")
> [@Crane](#): > > The war is wrapped up when Hamas no longer has the means or will to fight. That is not yet the case. If they really want to end Hamas they need to go after the leadership living in luxury in Qatar and not keep smashing the rubble in Gaza yet again. ---
**Author:** ![P91noX](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c5a1d2/32.png) [@P91noX](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/P91noX)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2024, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/4075 "2024-05-22T17:40:29Z")
Not that they shouldn’t, but what would change on the ground if Haniyeh and co were eliminated while leaving Sinwar et al in place? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317.md?page=196) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317.md?page=198)