# Discussion thread for the Hamas Attacks Israel thread, October 2023 **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Tags:** israel-hamas-war\ **Created:** [October 9, 2023, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317 "2023-10-09T15:10:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 198
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2024, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/4076 "2024-05-22T17:59:32Z")
An impaired flow of funding and a less professional PR campaign? The point being that eliminating local commanders doesn’t solve the problem if you don’t get the guys at the very top giving orders and getting money and weapons to the local guys. But cutting off the head of the hydra won’t guarantee you’ve killed it, either, you have to get ALL of the leadership. And even then, there’s a risk of new leaders arising. Hey, never said it was going to be easy. ---
**Author:** ![P91noX](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c5a1d2/32.png) [@P91noX](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/P91noX)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2024, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/4077 "2024-05-22T18:13:33Z")
Offing the Qatar Company would probably make a dent in funding but at the end of the day the money and materials come from external suppliers, and those suppliers will continue to exist (and presumably will still be motivated to supply) regardless of whether or not Hamas has a foreign presence. The wheels might be less greased, but I’m not convinced much would actually change. As for propaganda - given that people were protesting Israel on October 8th, I think that job has long been done. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [May 22, 2024, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/4078 "2024-05-22T21:58:28Z")
Netanyahu might go- and I think he will soonish. And the massive invasion of Gaza will be pulled back then. But it wont end the conflict until the people of Palestine/Gaza renounce terrorism and kick out the terrorists. That’s on them, no one else. A Two nation solution wont work if the terrorism keeps up. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2024, 6:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/4079 "2024-05-23T06:37:52Z")
> [@P91noX](#): > > As for propaganda - given that people were protesting Israel on October 8th, I think that job has long been done. Some of us were protesting Israel on October 6th, even. Does that mean we fell for Hamas propaganda too? ---
**Author:** ![P91noX](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c5a1d2/32.png) [@P91noX](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/P91noX)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2024, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/4080 "2024-05-23T14:36:12Z")
Highly context dependent, but also a disingenuous response. I don’t recall a rash of organized protests on October 6th. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2024, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/4081 "2024-05-23T14:39:34Z")
> [@P91noX](#): > > I don’t recall a rash of organized protests on October 6th. BDS is organized, and has been going on for a lot longer than just last year. ---
**Author:** ![P91noX](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/c5a1d2/32.png) [@P91noX](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/P91noX)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2024, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/4082 "2024-05-23T18:43:48Z")
And [this](https://www.politico.com/news/2023/10/08/nyc-palestine-rally-democrats-israel-00120533) protest was organized by BDS? ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2024, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/4083 "2024-05-23T19:30:55Z")
No, BDS doesn’t organize those kinds of demonstrations. As your own links says, it was organized by “the A.N.S.W.E.R. Coalition, the Palestinian Youth Movement and other groups”. Besides my point, of course, which was that protesting Israel, even as soon after a horrific event as the next day, doesn’t necessarily mean one buys into Hamas propaganda. Sometimes one just thinks Israel’s activities needs protesting against. The subsequent genocidal activities of the IDF haven’t exactly proven the Oct 8 protesters _wrong_. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2024, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/4084 "2024-05-23T19:43:33Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > Besides my point, of course, which was that protesting Israel, even as soon after a horrific event as the next day, doesn’t necessarily mean one buys into Hamas propaganda. How could it not be? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2024, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/4085 "2024-05-23T19:46:39Z")
Are you seriously saying that any criticism at all of Israeli actions or policies means one endorses Hamas propaganda? ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2024, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/4086 "2024-05-23T20:05:32Z")
Because the reasons one protests Israel could be entirely about Israeli actions and sourced from Israeli and Western news sources, and so not reliant on Hamas at all. _Especially_ if they relate to Israeli activities in the West Bank/Jerusalem, where Hamas is not relevant at all. ---
**Author:** ![WreckingCrew](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wreckingcrew/32/4080_2.png) [@WreckingCrew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WreckingCrew)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2024, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/4087 "2024-05-23T20:06:41Z")
Because Israel had done things prior to October 7 that were protest worthy, and the actions of Hamas on October 7 didn’t/doesn’t absolve Israel of any actions it has taken. You may question whether protesting against Israel on October 8 was in good taste, but if one really wanted to protest Israel’s treatment of Palestinians, you may as well do so when everyone is paying attention. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2024, 8:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/4088 "2024-05-23T20:35:08Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Are you seriously saying that any criticism at all of Israeli actions or policies means one endorses Hamas propaganda? I was responding to MrDibble’s post regarding protest the next day after the Hamas terrorist attack. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2024, 8:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/4089 "2024-05-23T20:51:06Z")
The Israeli government tolerated violence against Palestinians in the West Bank both before and the day after Oct 7th. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2024, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/4090 "2024-05-23T20:53:04Z")
In response to Hamas. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2024, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/4091 "2024-05-23T20:54:16Z")
That’s bullshit. Hamas has virtually nothing to do with the West Bank. But at least you’re not denying that the Israeli government tolerates brutal violence by settlers against Palestinian civilians in the West Bank. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2024, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/4092 "2024-05-23T20:58:05Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > That’s bullshit. Hamas has virtually nothing to do with the West Bank It doesn’t matter which terrorist group Israel is responding too. They’re all funded by the same country with the same intent. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2024, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/4093 "2024-05-23T21:00:26Z")
The vast majority of Palestinians who have been brutalized by settlers in the West Bank are non violent civilians. Nothing justifies their brutalization, and nothing justifies the Israeli government’s tolerance of this violence. ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2024, 9:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/4094 "2024-05-23T21:03:23Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > The vast majority of Palestinians who have been brutalized by settlers in the West Bank are non violent civilians. Then the vast majority of them shouldn’t vote for terrorists. There are still hostages that haven’t been released. The vast majority of Palestinians should engage Hamas for their release. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [May 23, 2024, 9:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/4095 "2024-05-23T21:06:56Z")
The vast majority of Palestinians in the West Bank have not voted for terrorists. Not having any real political power or representation is kind of one of the main complaints of Palestinians in the West Bank. Were you really not aware of this? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317.md?page=197) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317.md?page=199)