# Discussion thread for the Hamas Attacks Israel thread, October 2023 **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Tags:** israel-hamas-war\ **Created:** [October 9, 2023, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317 "2023-10-09T15:10:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 217
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2025, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/4458 "2025-06-03T15:46:19Z")
Sorry, typo that I didn’t notice combined with autocorrect selecting the wrong word - entrenching. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2025, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/4459 "2025-06-03T15:55:51Z")
To expand on that, I can just let Norman Finklestein, one of the preeminent Pro Palestine activists, explain it himself: > [@](#): > > Whenever a cause has gone on so long as this one has, people develop an investment in its perpetuation. There are 10,000 NGOs in Ramallah now. That means 10,000 organizations which are paid for by foreign countries, mostly European, to facilitate the peace process. And if you’re in an NGO compared to the salaries of ordinary Palestinians, it’s quite good. Ramallah is a pretty impressive lifestyle now. And so you develop a stake in perpetuating the situation. And so you don’t event want to think about realistic solutions because part of you doesn’t even want it to end. I mean, I have to admit to myself, let’s say it ended to tomorrow. What will I do if it ends? ---
**Author:** ![ASL\_v2.0](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/asl_v2.0/32/3525_2.png) [@ASL\_v2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ASL_v2.0)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2025, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/4460 "2025-06-03T23:38:13Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > > [@ASL\_v2.0](#): > > > > However, if his immigration status is any indicator of the family’s status, that poor girl won’t be attending any medical schools in the US. Great way to paint a target on his family’s back and get them deported post haste. > > Absolutely. > > There’s no way that Trump and his arse-licker Noem won’t target the family of this man What’s it been one day? Two? > **[Family of Boulder suspect detained by immigration officers](https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c8re438k6p8o)** > > The wife and five children of Mohammed Sabry Soliman have been taken into custody by immigration authorities. I feel so terrible for the victims and, in this case, the attackers family as well. So thoughtful of him to wait for his daughter to graduate high school with a scholarship. Just in time for her to be deported (or at least detained) without having any chance to go to college _or_ use her scholarship. In this country, anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [June 3, 2025, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/4461 "2025-06-03T23:41:20Z")
Heard something on the news tonight that Noem cancelled the family’s permission to be in the US and is pushing for “expedited” deportation of the entire family. Where are they being deported? Kuwait? Egypt? (Where, perhaps, the children haven’t been since they were toddlers, or maybe not ever depending on how old they are). El Salvador? Forget due process - Noem clearly feels they’re guilty by association and, having taken personal interest in the case, there’s not a chance in hell this will end well for them. ---
**Author:** ![DemonTree](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/demontree/32/8646_2.png) [@DemonTree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DemonTree)\ **Post date:** [June 4, 2025, 12:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/4462 "2025-06-04T12:17:36Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > I can’t read the Hebrew link. Why don’t you just run it through Google translate? It’s pretty decent these days. Chrome translates websites automatically for me, I don’t have to do anything. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2025, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/4463 "2025-06-08T16:03:23Z")
Oops! Turns out the “aid massacre” story was utter bullshit: [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/p-zfQBfpqlw/maxresdefault.jpg "Inside the IDF “Aid Massacre” That Never Happened") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-zfQBfpqlw) You’d think they’d learn not to repeat unverified Hamas propaganda by now. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [June 8, 2025, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/4464 "2025-06-08T16:09:05Z")
It’s almost like we should have _suspected_ that the story that didn’t align with any of the established facts on the ground wasn’t true! Revolutionary, I know. But I guess the BBC and other outlets that share this sort of misinformation would have to suffer _some_ sort of consequence before they are actually incentivized to change their behavior. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2025, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/4465 "2025-06-09T02:10:34Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > You’d think they’d learn not to repeat unverified Hamas propaganda by now. > [@Babale](#): > > It’s almost like we should have _suspected_ that the story that didn’t align with any of the established facts on the ground wasn’t true! Revolutionary, I know. > > But I guess the BBC and other outlets that share this sort of misinformation would have to suffer _some_ sort of consequence before they are actually incentivized to change their behavior. …I watched the video. Just to be crystal clear: that video wasn’t “reporting.” It was propaganda. It was released by the “Free Press”, an organisation that had its origin from Bari Weiss’s Substack. Here is CNN’s reporting on the very same incident. > **[Videos, expert analysis and witnesses point to Israeli gunfire in deadly Gaza...](https://edition.cnn.com/2025/06/04/middleeast/israel-military-gaza-aid-shooting-intl-invs)** > > A CNN investigation into a deadly incident near an aid distribution site in southern Gaza on Sunday points to the Israeli military opening fire on crowds of Palestinians as they tried to make their way to the fenced enclosure to get food. It cites multiple witnesses, in-depth examination of video and related audio, geo-locations. > [@](#): > > By sunrise, the extent of the catastrophe was undeniable. Videos captured bloodied bodies of Palestinians scattered across the sands, roughly a half mile from the food distribution center. There is zero evidence those bloodied bodies were caused by Hamas as claimed by the Free Press. There is considerable evidence that the massacre was perpetrated by the IDF. And it isn’t as if there isn’t evidence of massacres committed daily by the IDF. > [@latest flash update](#): > > Between 28 May and 3 June, deadly incidents included the following: > > - On 28 May, at about 2:30, nine members of the same family, including four females, were reportedly killed and 15 others, including a journalist, were injured when a house belonging to the family of the journalist, was hit in As Saftawi area, in North Gaza. > - On 29 May, at about 8:50, at least 23 Palestinians, including children and at least six females, were reportedly killed and others were injured when two residential buildings were hit in eastern Al Bureij refugee camp. Two men were also reportedly killed when a group of young men subsequently went to the site of the strike. The strikes reportedly destroyed eight residential buildings. > - On 29 May, at about 14:00, approximately 10 Palestinians were reportedly killed, and several others were injured, in a strike that hit a group of people at As Saraya Junction in central Gaza city. > … > - On 29 May, at about 11:00, seven Palestinians, including a girl, were reportedly killed, and others injured in a strike that hit a group of people in northern Gaza city. > - On 29 May, at least 13 Palestinians, including children and at least four women, were reportedly killed when a residential building was hit in At Tuffah area, in eastern Gaza city. The Palestinian Civil Defense reported that they were unable to retrieve about 30 Palestinians from under the rubble, due to a lack of equipment. > - On 30 May, at about 2:00, at least seven Palestinians, including five females, were reportedly killed and many others injured when a house was hit in Jabalya Al Nazlah, in North Gaza. > … > - On 2 June, at about noon, at least 15 Palestinians were reportedly killed, and several others were injured, when a house was hit in Jabalya al Balad, in North Gaza. > … > - On 3 June, at about 21:30, seven Palestinians, including children, were reportedly killed and others injured when the seaport area, west of Gaza city, was hit. The area is densely populated with IDPs. > - On 4 June, at about 8:00, at least 18 Palestinians, including at least 13 females, were reportedly killed when a tent inside a school serving as an IDP shelter was hit in Al Mawasi area of western Khan Younis. > **[Humanitarian Situation Update #294 | Gaza Strip | United Nations Office for...](https://www.ochaopt.org/content/humanitarian-situation-update-294-gaza-strip)** > > The UN calls for investigations into the killing and injury of Palestinians trying to access food through the new militarized distribution hubs in Gaza. More at the link. One very important thing to note from the latest update: > [@](#): > > Between 23 and 31 May, MoH noted that due to access issues, their casualty toll did not include North Gaza governorate. Whatever the numbers happen to be here: they are _a significant undercount._ More from the update: > [@](#): > > According to [OHCHR](https://reliefweb.int/report/occupied-palestinian-territory/building-starvation-systematic-attacks-fishing-gaza-and-implications-livelihoods-and-protection-may-2025), the targeting of Gaza’s fishers and fishing infrastructure by the Israeli military and blocked access to the sea – combined with the destruction of agricultural land and other food production infrastructure and severe restrictions on the entry of humanitarian aid and commercial supplies – have contributed directly to the risk of famine and growing protection concerns, creating conditions that threaten the survival of Gaza’s population. > … > According to the Health Cluster, as of 4 June, the functionality of health service points has severely declined, with only 38 per cent (212 out of 564) of health service points partially functional. This includes 17 partially functional hospitals out of 36, seven partially functional field hospitals out of 15, 61 partially functional Primary Health Care Centres (PHCs) out of 160, and 127 medical points/mobile clinics out of 353. > > - On 29 May, Al Awda Hospital, the last minimally functional hospital in North Gaza, was forcibly evacuated and rendered out of service. > … > On 1 June, Israeli forces destroyed Noura al-Kaabi Specialist Dialysis Centre, in North Gaza. According to [WHO](https://x.com/DrTedros/status/1929902871111242013)’s Director-General, Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesu, the centre “was serving 40 patients per week in North Gaza” prior to the recent re-escalation of hostilities and its destruction “directly endangers the lives of patients with kidney failure.” > … > According to MoH in Gaza, 477 patients have died while waiting for their medical evacuation abroad and at least 41 per cent of kidney patients have died since October 2023 due to restricted access to dialysis services. > … > The Shelter Cluster estimates that 1.1 million people in Gaza are in urgent need of emergency shelter assistance. However, since 12 April, tents have been out of stock, while other essential shelter items are nearly depleted. This follows 11 weeks of a full blockade on the entry of any supplies and, since 19 May, the continued ban on the entry of shelter items. Yet, the needs have never been greater, with at least one third of Gaza’s population displaced again in less than two months. > … > WFP warns that diets across Gaza have become dangerously imbalanced and critically lacking in nutrients, signaling a severe collapse in food diversity and a deepening nutritional crisis. > … > According to the Nutrition Cluster, preliminary analysis indicates that out of 46,738 children under five years of age who were screened for malnutrition in the second half of May, 2,733 (5.8 per cent) were diagnosed with acute malnutrition. This is up from 4.7 per cent in the first half of May and almost triple the proportion of children diagnosed with malnutrition out of those screened in February 2025, during the ceasefire. For people that want to know what is happening on the ground: the Flash Update provide as an accurate and up-to-date picture that we can get. Here is the entire archive. > **[Updates | United Nations Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs...](https://www.ochaopt.org/updates)** It includes flash-updates on the appalling situation in the West Bank. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2025, 3:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/4466 "2025-06-09T03:35:28Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > Just to be crystal clear: that video wasn’t “reporting.” It was propaganda. It was released by the “Free Press”, an organisation that had its origin from Bari Weiss’s Substack. Gasp! It originates from a _Jew’s_ substack? Aside from her Jewish name, is there a reason we’re supposed to take issue with her? Because literally all you’ve shared as a problem is her name. Here’s some actual information about The Free Press, beyond “it originates from a Jew’s substack”: > **[Ground News](https://ground.news/interest/the-free-press)** High factuality, leans left. > [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > For people that want to know what is happening on the ground: the Flash Update provide as an accurate and up-to-date picture that we can get. Here is the entire archive. > > [Updates | United Nations Office for the Coordination of Humanitarian Affairs - Occupied Palestinian Territory](https://www.ochaopt.org/updates) > > It includes flash-updates on the appalling situation in the West Bank. I wouldn’t recommend reading a corrupt middle man’s account of the job the person trying to replace them is doing. Seems like they might have a strong incentive to perpetuate the myth that only they can possibly provide aid (despite the hilariously incompetent job they’ve been doing at keeping their aid distribution free from Hamas interference in the past, assuming we’re gullible enough to believe they even tried). ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2025, 3:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/4467 "2025-06-09T03:46:36Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > Here is CNN’s reporting on the very same incident. > > _Videos, expert analysis and witnesses point to Israeli gunfire in deadly Gaza…_ Interesting headline, since when you read the body of the article they _don’t_ actually have _any_ videos that point to Israel doing the shooting: > [@](#): > > None of the videos definitively show who fired shots outside of the aid camp. I have no idea how CNN thinks they can get away with such dishonesty, but since I doubt BanquetBear posted that article as evidence of _my_ claims, it’s clear that they _can_ get away with it. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2025, 3:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/4468 "2025-06-09T03:53:04Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > Gasp! It originates from a _Jew’s_ substack? …what makes you think that? You’ve never heard of Bari Weiss before? And who is “Ground News” and why should I trust them? > [@Babale](#): > > I wouldn’t recommend reading a corrupt middle man’s account But you ask us to trust a video full of “facts” that were refuted in CNN’s detailed reporting? All of the information in the flash updates are verifiable. If there is anything specific you want to dispute, go ahead. Do your best. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2025, 3:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/4469 "2025-06-09T03:55:18Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > Interesting headline, since when you read the body of the article they _don’t_ actually have _any_ videos that point to Israel doing the shooting: …they have evidence that point to Is real doing the shooting. its all outlined in the article. > [@Babale](#): > > I have no idea how CNN thinks they can get away with such dishonesty They weren’t being dishonest. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2025, 3:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/4470 "2025-06-09T03:55:28Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > You’ve never heard of Bari Weiss before? I _have_ heard of her. What problem am I supposed to have with her, beyond her name? > [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > But you ask us to trust a video full of “facts” that were refuted in CNN’s detailed reporting? You mean when they said: > [@CNN](#): > > None of the videos definitively show who fired shots outside of the aid camp. And then they quote witnesses, just like The Free Press? ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2025, 4:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/4471 "2025-06-09T04:00:01Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > > [@Babale](#): > > > > I have no idea how CNN thinks they can get away with such dishonesty > > They weren’t being dishonest. The headline claims the video points to Israel doing the shooting. The body shows this is a lie. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2025, 4:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/4472 "2025-06-09T04:08:24Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > I _have_ heard of her. What problem am I supposed to have with her, beyond her name? …she popularised the [“Intellectual Dark Web”](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intellectual_dark_web), the cadre of “anti-woke” people of what she sees herself a member of that include Jordan Peterson and Ben Shapiro. She’s run hit-pieces on trans healthcare, is a supporter of the “men’s rights movement”. “Alt-right” would be an accurate descriptor of her IMHO. > [@Babale](#): > > And then they quote witnesses, just like The Free Press? Who filmed the witnesses in Gaza for the Free Press? Were they embedded with the IDF? > [@Babale](#): > > The headline claims the video points to Israel doing the shooting. The videos aided with _geolocation_. The _audio_ of the video indicated that it was IDF fire. That was backed up by witnesses. The headline isn’t inaccurate. It isn’t a lie. ---
**Author:** ![DPRK](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/4491bb/32.png) [@DPRK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DPRK)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2025, 8:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/4473 "2025-06-09T08:30:48Z")
You sure as fuck cannot trust anything reported by Hamas, nor the IDF. That is why independent reporting is crucial. The current situation, though, is that it is simply impossible for the BBC, say, to send a team to or freely operate in Gaza. That is why they are resorting to analysing third-party videos. I do not think they try to conceal the fact they are doing geolocation and other analysis. ---
**Author:** ![Charlie\_Tan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/charlie_tan/32/12582_2.png) [@Charlie\_Tan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Charlie_Tan)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2025, 8:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/4474 "2025-06-09T08:58:34Z")
> [@DPRK](#): > > The current situation, though, is that it is simply impossible for the BBC, say, to send a team to or freely operate in Gaza. This, suppposedly, is because Israel authorities don’t allow foreign journalists into Gaza. I say supposedly, because I see this reported in media, but I haven’t checked if this is indeed official policy. @Babale - can you tell us what you consider trustworthy news sources. I mean, all journalism contain bias (I know, being a former journo), but looking beyond the known bias, who do you trust? If Haaretz were to publish an article claiming that Israeli soldiers shot people at aid station, would you accept that? If Al-Jazeera were to publish that it was Hamas doing the shooting, in order to drum up hatred against Israel, would you accept that? n.b. This is hypothetical. Please don’t answer with “Al-Jazeera would never do that,” because of course they wouldn’t. I just want to gauge what sources you accept. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2025, 9:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/4475 "2025-06-09T09:47:00Z")
Someone cited Bari Weiss? That’s funny. I wonder what Jordan Peterson and Joe Rogan have to say about the incident? ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2025, 11:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/4476 "2025-06-09T11:23:36Z")
Moderating: > [@Babale](#): > > Gasp! It originates from a _Jew’s_ substack? > > Aside from her Jewish name, is there a reason we’re supposed to take issue with her? Because literally all you’ve shared as a problem is her name. > > Here’s some actual information about The Free Press, beyond “it originates from a Jew’s substack”: This is not the pit. Don’t accuse other posters of antisemitism. It’s perfectly possibly to ask why you should trust a particular web site, or why another poster doesn’t trust a particular website, without casting aspersions of antisemitism. ---
**Author:** ![DemonTree](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/demontree/32/8646_2.png) [@DemonTree](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DemonTree)\ **Post date:** [June 9, 2025, 11:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/4477 "2025-06-09T11:54:04Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > Here’s some actual information about The Free Press, beyond “it originates from a Jew’s substack”: > > [Ground News](https://ground.news/interest/the-free-press) > > High factuality, leans left. Media bias/Fact Check website rates The Free Press ‘High’ for factual reporting (one below the top category) and ‘Right-Centre’ for bias, which seems more accurate to me. For comparison, that’s the same degree of bias as the Wall Street Journal, and better factual reporting(!) > **[The Free Press (Common Sense) - Bias and Credibility](https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-free-press-bias/)** > > RIGHT-CENTER BIAS These media sources are slight to moderately conservative in bias. They often publish factual information that utilizes loaded words [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317.md?page=216) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317.md?page=218)