# Discussion thread for the Hamas Attacks Israel thread, October 2023 **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Tags:** israel-hamas-war\ **Created:** [October 9, 2023, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317 "2023-10-09T15:10:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 231
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2025, 11:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/4738 "2025-07-18T11:13:04Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Have you considered the possibility that, by focusing on destroying infrastructure and civilians, and largely ignoring the funders and planners of the Oct 7th attacks, Israel could be encouraging and increasing the likelihood of future attacks? I have. Have you considered the possibility that Israel is discouraging and decreasing the likelihood of future attacks? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2025, 11:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/4739 "2025-07-18T11:18:38Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > if you thought publicly torturing Gazan children would dissuade future attacks, would you be in favor of that? Or would you think that’s morally wrong? Aren’t they already dying painfully — and publicly — while dehydrated and starving? Isn’t that what’s, y’know, _happening?_ ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2025, 11:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/4740 "2025-07-18T11:21:20Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > Aren’t they already dying painfully — and publicly — while dehydrated and starving? Isn’t that what’s, y’know, _happening?_ So are you in favor of publicly torturing Gazan children? ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2025, 11:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/4741 "2025-07-18T11:21:25Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > This is pretty basic stuff. This is _ridiculously_ basic stuff. …Israel ratified the Geneva conventions in 1951. The “[the Israeli High Court has found that the 1907 Hague Regulations are part of customary international law, and thus binding on all states, including those not party to the treaty](https://www.hrw.org/reports/2001/israel/hebron6-04.htm#:~:text=Israel%20ratified%20the%20Geneva%20Conventions%20on%20July%206%2C%201951.&text=Israel%20has%20not%20signed%20or,not%20party%20to%20the%20treaty.).” Did I expect Israel to abide by the things they agreed to abide by? Sure. This is pretty basic stuff. This is _ridiculously_ basic stuff. > [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > yes, I support the atrocities committed by the IDF in response to the attacks on October 7th. I’m glad we have it here in black and white. The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper _supports_ the IDF committing atrocities. > [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > Aren’t they already dying painfully — and publicly — while dehydrated and starving? Isn’t that what’s, y’know, _happening?_ They are. And for the sake of clarity, based on your previous answer, you support Palestinian children dying painfully while dehydrated and starving? Because _surely_ you don’t. I don’t want to get the wrong impression here. Surely you condemn at least this? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2025, 11:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/4742 "2025-07-18T11:33:43Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > …Israel ratified the Geneva conventions in 1951. The “[the Israeli High Court has found that the 1907 Hague Regulations are part of customary international law, and thus binding on all states, including those not party to the treaty](https://www.hrw.org/reports/2001/israel/hebron6-04.htm#:~:text=Israel%20ratified%20the%20Geneva%20Conventions%20on%20July%206%2C%201951.&text=Israel%20has%20not%20signed%20or,not%20party%20to%20the%20treaty.).” > > Did I expect Israel to abide by the things they agreed to abide by? Sure. You expected _wrong._ You expected _incorrectly._ Possibly those who carried out the 10/7 attack likewise expected wrong — expected _incorrectly_ — and, if they’d known better, would’ve reached a very different conclusion. > [@](#): > > And for the sake of clarity, based on your previous answer, you support Palestinian children dying painfully while dehydrated and starving? Seriously: is there _anything_ I can say to you that wouldn’t provoke a “for the sake of clarity” in response? What possible incentive do I have to give you yet another other clear response when everything I slowly and patiently explain seems to result in you giving a quick “for the sake of clarity” reply? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2025, 11:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/4743 "2025-07-18T11:37:27Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > Seriously: is there _anything_ I can say to you that wouldn’t provoke a “for the sake of clarity” in response? What possible incentive do I have to give you yet another other clear response when everything I slowly and patiently explain seems to result in you giving a quick “for the sake of clarity” reply? I think I can explain why this is difficult for you – for most people, deliberately torturing and killing little children is absolutely reprehensible, and when we see someone apparently proudly supporting it, we have trouble believing our eyes – surely we must be misunderstanding something. So we seek to clarify. Does that make sense? ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2025, 11:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/4744 "2025-07-18T11:41:21Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > You expected _wrong._ You expected _incorrectly._ …so Israel is a country not to be trusted. Gotcha. > [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > Seriously: is there _anything_ I can say to you that wouldn’t provoke a “for the sake of clarity” in response? What possible incentive do I have to give you yet another other clear response when everything I slowly and patiently explain seems to result in you giving a quick “for the sake of clarity” reply? Because _I’m trying to help you_. I’m giving you every single opportunity to get out of the position you are in. I’m giving you a lifeline. I’m giving you the opportunity to say, “no, you misunderstand me. Of _course_, I don’t support the deliberate blockade of food, water, baby formula from Palestinian children. Of _course_ I’m not the sort of person that supports Palestinian children dying painfully while dehydrated and starving. That isn’t who I am.” So again for clarity: do you support Palestinian children dying painfully while dehydrated and starving? Because it’s possible to both support Israel AND condemn this. ---
**Author:** ![Crane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crane/32/3495_2.png) [@Crane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crane)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2025, 11:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/4745 "2025-07-18T11:44:13Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > Have you considered the possibility that Israel is discouraging and decreasing the likelihood of future attacks? The audience for this militant theater is not the Gazans, it’s the Israelis. The propaganda value of the Gaza offensive is negative outside of Israel. But, domestically it supports the omnipotent IDF myth and has kept Netanyahu in office. The argument that extreme cruelty will dissuade repetition lacks historic support. Lidice is a monument against cruelty not assassination. A Gazan patriot who finds a rocket in the rubble will fire it, ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2025, 11:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/4746 "2025-07-18T11:46:42Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > I think I can explain why this is difficult for you – for most people, deliberately torturing and killing little children is absolutely reprehensible, and when we see someone apparently proudly supporting it, we have trouble believing our eyes – surely we must be misunderstanding something. But, again, the context for all of this is that I’m supporting what Israel is, well, _doing._ Said children are _already_ painfully dying while dehydrated and starving, and — do you have trouble believing your eyes? Are you surely misunderstanding something (a) not just about anyone expressing support for it, but (b) about everyone _doing_ it? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2025, 11:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/4747 "2025-07-18T11:47:45Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > Because _I’m trying to help you_. Oh. Well, then, uh, I’m trying to help _you,_ too. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2025, 11:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/4748 "2025-07-18T11:49:33Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > But, again, the context for all of this is that I’m supporting what Israel is, well, _doing._ Said children are _already_ painfully dying while dehydrated and starving, and — do you have trouble believing your eyes? Are you surely misunderstanding something (a) not just about anyone expressing support for it, but (b) about everyone _doing_ it? The vast majority of supporters I’ve spoken to (online or IRL) deny that any signficant number of children are painfully dying while dehydrated or starving – because, as I said before, most people wouldn’t be able to support such torture of children no matter the circumstances. You’re one of the very few, other than the open genocide supporters, who both admit this and support it without reservations. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2025, 11:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/4749 "2025-07-18T11:52:15Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > Oh. Well, then, uh, I’m trying to help _you,_ too. …nah. I want the death and destruction happening right now in Gaza to stop. I want the ceasefire agreement on the table, which would result in all of the hostages being released, Hamas stepping down from power and the permanent withdrawal of IDF troops from the ground to happen. I want the 6000 aid trucks currently stationed outside of Gaza allowed in. I want Palestinians in Gaza to be allowed to return to their homes. I want the thousands of prisoners, many, if not most of them probably innocent of anything, held in Israeli torture camps released. Supporting IDF atrocities does absolutely _nothing_ to help me out. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2025, 11:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/4750 "2025-07-18T11:58:45Z")
> [@Crane](#): > > Lidice is a monument against cruelty not assassination. I’d argue that the relevant comparison is less Lidice and more Nagasaki. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2025, 12:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/4751 "2025-07-18T12:00:43Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > > [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > > > Do you defend the IDF’s actions of banning Palestinians in Gaza from swimming, and if they do decide to swim, risk getting killed? > > Yes. Of course. I thought I’d made that clear. > > Had I not made that clear? Presumably the poster wanted to make sure that you were taking the stance that murdering people for swimming is OK. Because the attacks on 10/7 were made by just a small number of people and you are using that act by a small number to justify killing tens of thousands, maybe hundreds of thousands of people, most of whom are unlikely to have been even indirectly involved, much less directly. You are coming out in favor of genocide. Just wanted to be sure before coming to that conclusion. > [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > I don’t see how. The sovcit seems to think that, upon citing something or other about law, people in power will admit that, _oh, gosh, that’s correct,_ and the law he’s referring to will be enforced. Other folks seem to think that, upon citing something or other about international law, people in power will admit that _oh, gosh, that’s correct,_ and the law being referred to will be enforced. > > Near as I can tell, they’re both wrong. The difference is that every so often other nations _do_ decide to enforce international law. It’s called an alliance. Sometimes they use sanctions. Sometimes they use actual force. And the subsequent mess is called a war. If Israel continues to keep pissing off other nations they are risking the formation of an alliance that will come in and force them to adhere to international norms. If they’re fortunate that will be the outcome. Is that really in Israel’s best interests? It sure as hell is not in the best interests of non-Israeli Jews who will, inevitably, be caught in the blowback. A key difference is that no one is going to come riding in over the horizon to come to the aid of the SovCit. On the other hand, international law has from time to time been enforced by force. So your analogy is wrong and it sucks. > [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > As I said, I want anyone contemplating something like unto another October 7th attack to consider what response they could reasonably expect — not from international law enforcement, that’s just crazy talk, but from the Israelis — and, I hope, realize that it’s not in their best interests to do so. Since Hamas has long arranged things to target civilians in an attempt to gain international sympathy I’d say that the results of 10/7 are EXACTLY what they wanted and they’d do it again…nevermind that _I personally_ am horrified and appalled by both what Hamas has done and what IDF has done in response. It is a mistake to assume that what we find horrific is what others find horrific. Terror groups like Hamas have no care for civilians beyond how they can be used as pawns for the cause. Israel slaughtering Palestinians in ethnic cleansing and genocide plays into the hands of people like Hamas and their backers the ruling cabal in Iran because it makes the Israelis (and by extension all Jews everywhere) into horrible people that no one likes, no one will defend, and therefore easier to destroy in the end. > [@iiandyiiii](#): > > ISTM that Israel is doing terrible damage to their future by creating thousands upon thousands of orphans and other bereaved young people who will be easy recruits for future versions of Hamas. No, it looks like this time they’re taking care of the “next generation attempting vengeance” by simply conducting a genocide to ensure none of the orphans survive. Just kill them all and none will be left to take vengeance, right? Excuse me, I have to go throw up now. The whole thing is disgusting and anyone who defends such a thing is a horrible human being. > [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > > [@](#): > > > > Do you condemn atrocities committed by the IDF in response to the attacks on October 7th? > > What? No, of course not. Wow; here I was, thinking this whole thing was getting _repetitive_ — that we’re clearly just going around in circles — and, somehow, I haven’t yet gotten this across to you? So you’re OK with the slaughter of innocents, ethnic cleansing, and genocide. What a horrible person you are. > [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > I’ve gone from a supporter of Israel to they are the most dangerous country in the Middle East. The world needs to stop funding them and enabling them. ^ This. So very much this. I am so glad I have _never_ set foot in that country, I have zero desire to purchase anything made there (and will make sure I don’t - my economic vote is small but I’ll still use it), and I will condemn their actions any time I can. The people running the country are as bad as the Nazis and should be treated the same. > [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > > [@iiandyiiii](#): > > > > if you thought publicly torturing Gazan children would dissuade future attacks, would you be in favor of that? Or would you think that’s morally wrong? > > Aren’t they already dying painfully — and publicly — while dehydrated and starving? Isn’t that what’s, y’know, _happening?_ And you’re glad of that? You support that. You’ve stated unequivocally that you support that. I don’t know what to say to someone in favor of slowing killing _babies._ > [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper _supports_ the IDF committing atrocities. ^ This. He’s OK with atrocities, murder, ethnic cleansing, and genocide. Wow. Well, has anyone started a Pit thread just for him? I mean, I defend his right to state his opinions but I also defend the right of everyone else to tell him what a depraved, evil, disgusting, horrible, _evil_ person he actually is. > [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > Seriously: is there _anything_ I can say to you that wouldn’t provoke a “for the sake of clarity” in response? What possible incentive do I have to give you yet another other clear response when everything I slowly and patiently explain seems to result in you giving a quick “for the sake of clarity” reply? Unlike myself, who am now convinced that you are indeed a support of ethnic cleansing and genocide this poster is apparently still hoping to be mistaken about your stance. Because it can be hard to realize someone you’ve known for awhile - even if only on a message board - is as bad as the WWII Nazis and their Final Solution. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2025, 12:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/4752 "2025-07-18T12:01:50Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > Supporting IDF atrocities does absolutely _nothing_ to help me out. No, I mean that you seemed to need help with the concept that — for example — one can reasonably expect a given response from someone even while noting that they’re not _incapable_ of reacting in other ways. Stuff like that. ---
**Author:** ![Crane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crane/32/3495_2.png) [@Crane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Crane)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2025, 12:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/4753 "2025-07-18T12:04:31Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > I’d argue that the relevant comparison is less Lidice and more Nagasaki. How so. I don’t see the relevance. Nagasaki did not prevent Oct 7. What’s your point? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_waldo_pepper/32/12370_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Waldo_Pepper)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2025, 12:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/4754 "2025-07-18T12:11:29Z")
> [@Crane](#): > > How so. I don’t see the relevance. Nagasaki did not prevent Oct 7. What’s your point? That, sometimes, an attack that kills rather a lot of civilians — as was the case when Nagasaki got bombed, some time after December 7th — can _succeed._ ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2025, 12:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/4755 "2025-07-18T12:12:35Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > one can reasonably expect a given response from someone even while noting that they’re not _incapable_ of reacting in other ways. …no. This isn’t what one would reasonably expect a signatory to the Geneva conventions to do. One would expect they would adhere to the conventions and uphold the principles of international humanitarian law. One would expect that when official spokespeople from the government say over and over again that [“they do not target civilians in Gaza”](https://news.sky.com/video/israeli-deputy-foreign-minister-idf-do-not-target-civilians-in-gaza-13390966) they would be telling the truth. But it turns out its all lies. All you are doing is telling me that the government of Israel are _not to be trusted_. I’ll concede my naivety here. I won’t be doing that again. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2025, 12:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/4756 "2025-07-18T12:13:08Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > That, sometimes, an attack that kills rather a lot of civilians — as was the case when Nagasaki got bombed, some time after December 7th — can _succeed._ Wouldn’t genocide work even better? If you think the present strategy is dissuading future attacks, wouldn’t killing every last Gazan and Palestinian be even more dissuasive, from your perspective? ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [July 18, 2025, 12:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/4757 "2025-07-18T12:15:20Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > That, sometimes, an attack that kills rather a lot of civilians — as was the case when Nagasaki got bombed, some time after December 7th — can _succeed._ Here’s a major difference: After Nagasaki was bombed the US did NOT herd the survivors into progressively smaller and smaller areas, shoot on sight any Japanese citizen found outside those small areas, and actually sent medical help to the injured survivors. Unlike the IDF which is squeezing the Palestinians at every opportunity, shooting them on sight, and instead of sending in medical assistance leaves babies to die in incubators, shoots children in the head, and denies even water to the injured and ill. If you can’t see those differences … well, you’re already a terrible, horrific, no-good excuse of a human being. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317.md?page=230) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317.md?page=232)