# Discussion thread for the Hamas Attacks Israel thread, October 2023 **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Tags:** israel-hamas-war\ **Created:** [October 9, 2023, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317 "2023-10-09T15:10:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 303
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2026, 2:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/6178 "2026-07-03T14:31:08Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > There is no such thing as a Hamas “soldier”. Hamas is a terrorist organization. …Hamas was _also the government_. It has a police force: those police are not terrorists. It also has healthcare workers: those healthcare workers are not terrorists. It also has accountants and lawyers and people who push buttons in the office: those people are not terrorists. And they also had a military: and regardless if some governments declared that military were terrorists or not, there was no evidence that al-Shariff was serving at the time he was targeted and killed. In fact the evidence showed very much the opposite. Which is why organizations like the CPJ state quite categorically that he was a journalist. I followed him on Twitter. He was on air all of the time. He was supposed to be “a Hamas operative in charge of rocket launching.” When do you think he had time to do that? Where is the evidence? Because again, nations don’t have the right to conduct extrajudicial assassinations. You call him a “terrorist.” What act of terror was he guilty of? This isn’t a hard question. Life shouldn’t have so little value. Why was he killed? Because of a line in a spreadsheet? There _must_ have been more than that. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2026, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/6179 "2026-07-03T14:38:29Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > Why was he killed? Because Israel desired to expel/eliminate all journalists from Gaza. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2026, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/6180 "2026-07-03T14:45:42Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > It has a police force: those police are not terrorists [Debatable.](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/world-news/2026/06/26/anti-hamas-revolution-faces-brutal-crackdown/) [Very debatable.](https://www.timesofisrael.com/hamas-members-executed-and-maimed-dozens-of-palestinians-in-gaza-un-report-says/) > [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > He was on air all of the time. He was supposed to be “a Hamas operative in charge of rocket launching.” When do you think he had time to do that? This is a funny joke. You are seriously trying to claim that he was tweeting too much to have time to fire rockets? By this logic, the US doesn’t have a president right now. You see how much he’s on Twitter? When do you think he has time to run a country? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2026, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/6181 "2026-07-03T14:49:59Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > This is a funny joke. Trusting assertions from Israeli intel with zero independent confirmation would be a joke if it weren’t so tragic. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2026, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/6182 "2026-07-03T14:54:13Z")
It really is amazing how easy it can be for dishonest and murderous organizations like this Israeli government/military/intelligence to get otherwise decent people to support/rationalize/excuse mass murder and other atrocities against civilians. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2026, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/6183 "2026-07-03T14:54:43Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > Debatable. …paywalled. > [@Babale](#): > > This is a funny joke. You are seriously trying to claim that he was tweeting too much to have time to fire rockets? I mean, yes! Not just tweeting, but live streaming wherever he went. He was literally a reporter in a warzone. > [@Babale](#): > > By this logic, the US doesn’t have a president right now. If you were claiming that the President of the United States was ALSO a super secret CIA operative in charge of launching rockets, I wouldn’t believe you. It would be the same if you claimed Christiane Amanpour was a super-secret sniper, or Dr. Sanjay Gupta was a super-secret spy. I’d ask you: when did they have the time to do that? So why should we believe that al-Shariff was "a Hamas operative in charge of rocket launching? "Who do you think has the burden of proof here? Because it certainly isn’t me. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2026, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/6184 "2026-07-03T16:12:40Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > I mean, yes! Not just tweeting, but live streaming wherever he went. And that makes it impossible for him to also fire rockets because…? > [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > He was literally a reporter in a warzone. He was literally a Hamas terrorist. > [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > If you were claiming that the President of the United States was ALSO a super secret CIA operative in charge of launching rockets, No, I’m pointing out that your argument of “he was tweeting too much to be a terrorist” is nonsense. The President of the United States has plenty of time to both tweet and be president, and al-Shariff had plenty of time to both tweet “journalism” at you while commanding a rocket brigade. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2026, 11:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/6185 "2026-07-03T23:32:27Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > And that makes it impossible for him to also fire rockets because…? > > Banquet\_Bear: …again: who has the burden of proof here? Under what theory of international law are we allowed to extrajudicially murder people just because their name allegedly appears on a list and it isn’t impossible they may or may not have done something? How exactly does one prove their innocence here? Tell me how they do it. Tell me how I avoid getting a bomb dropped on my head if my name happens to end up on a list because I got injured back in 2017. The burden of proof isn’t on me, a random person on the internet. The burden of proof are on the people with the bombs and the means to kill anyone they like with a click of a button. > [@Babale](#): > > He was literally a Hamas terrorist. His name allegedly appeared on a spreadsheet. A reminder: this is ALL they had. > **[IDF Eliminates Hamas Terrorist Masquerading as Al Jazeera Journalist in Gaza...](https://embassies.gov.il/multilateral-organizations-france/en/news/idf-eliminates-hamas-terrorist-masquerading-al-jazeera-journalist-gaza-city-august-10-2025)** > > Embassy of Israel in in france They claimed that Anas Al-Sharif was a super secret head of a terrorist cell. They accused Hossam Shabat of being a super secret sniper. They accused Hamza al-Dahdouh of being “a terrorist operating an aircraft that posed a threat to IDF troops.” They said the strike that killed Fatma Hassouna targeted “a Hamas member involved in attacks on its soldiers and civilians.” There is a pattern here. And the burden of proof isn’t on me. It’s on the people doing the killing. You can’t claim he was “literally a Hamas terrorist” when you haven’t produced any evidence he was literally a Hamas terrorist. You are _alledging_ he was a Hamas terrorist. I’ve asked for evidence, and you have failed to provide it. > [@Babale](#): > > The President of the United States has plenty of time to both tweet and be president Does the President of the United States also have plenty of time to both tweet, be president AND be a super secret leader of a CIA terror cell that fires rockets? Because it’s doing the _full-time-job thing_ that is relevant here. Being president is a full-time job. Being a journalist in a war zone is a full-time job. He was a journalist working for Al Jazeera. He was on TV as often as any other full-time war correspondent AND was often live-streaming his location. Again: the burden of proof isn’t on me. If you are going to claim that he was _also_ “commanding a rocket brigade,” the burden of proof is on _you_. Because that is a serious allegation. We should take it seriously. Because we are talking about taking someone’s life here. We can’t take that on a whim. And a reminder: out of the over 200 journalists still on the CPJ list, this is the one that has the _most_ evidence. This is the _best_ that they’ve got. A spreadsheet. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [July 3, 2026, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/6186 "2026-07-03T23:59:01Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > Tell me how I avoid getting a bomb dropped on my head if my name happens to end up on a list because I got injured back in 2017. If one’s name is on a list of Hamas terrorists, my recommendation for them is to go outside and wave at the nearest Israeli drone, to make targeting easier. > [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > You can’t claim he was “literally a Hamas terrorist” when you haven’t produced any evidence he was literally a Hamas terrorist. He’s on a list of Hamas terrorists. That _is_ evidence, whether or not you like it. > [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > I’ve asked for evidence, and you have failed to provide it. No, I haven’t; you’ve just decided that evidence stops being evidence if “Zionist” hands touch it. Hamas’ internal documentation of who is and is not a Hamas member is, in fact, by definition, evidence. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2026, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/6187 "2026-07-04T00:06:49Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > If one’s name is on a lost of Hamas terrorists, my recommendation for them is to go outside and wave at the nearest Israeli drone, to make targeting easier. …his name wasn’t on a list of Hamas terrorists. And that document hasn’t been independently verified. Under what theory of international law is this enough to order an extrajudicial killing? > [@Babale](#): > > He’s on a list of Hamas terrorists. That _is_ evidence, whether or not you like it. He is allegedly on a spreadsheet that showed back in 2017 he got injured. The other screenshots are too pixelated for me to be able to actually read. That evidence hasn’t been independently verified. This isn’t enough. > [@Babale](#): > > No, I haven’t; you’ve just decided that evidence stops being evidence if “Zionist” hands touch it. I haven’t mentioned the word “Zionist.” I don’t even care about that. Please withdraw this accusation. > [@Babale](#): > > Hamas’ internal documentation of who is and is not a Hamas member is, in fact, by definition, evidence. It isn’t evidence they are a _terrorist_. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2026, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/6188 "2026-07-04T00:22:16Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > …his name wasn’t on a list of Hamas terrorists It literally was. > [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > And that document hasn’t been independently verified. OK. > [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > Under what theory of international law is this enough to order an extrajudicial killing? “Extrajudicial Killing”? It’s a war, governed by the Law of Armed Conflict. As a rocket brigade commander, he was a combatant. > [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > It isn’t evidence they are a _terrorist_. What other term would you use for a Hamas rocket brigade commander? ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2026, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/6189 "2026-07-04T00:31:09Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > It literally was. …I’ve shown everyone what the actual evidence was. here it is again. > **[IDF Eliminates Hamas Terrorist Masquerading as Al Jazeera Journalist in Gaza...](https://embassies.gov.il/multilateral-organizations-france/en/news/idf-eliminates-hamas-terrorist-masquerading-al-jazeera-journalist-gaza-city-august-10-2025)** > > Embassy of Israel in in france This is NOT literally a list of terrorists. It’s an over-pixelated screenshot that you can’t even read properly. > [@Babale](#): > > “Extrajudicial Killing”? It’s a war, governed by the Law of Armed Conflict. He was a _reporter_. He wasn’t a combatant. > [@Babale](#): > > As a rocket brigade commander, he was a combatant. He wasn’t a rocket brigade commander. He was a reporter. > [@Babale](#): > > What other term would you use for a Hamas rocket brigade commander? He wasn’t a Hamas rocket brigade commander. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2026, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/6190 "2026-07-04T01:53:30Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > This is NOT literally a list of terrorists. It literally is though. > [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > It’s an over-pixelated screenshot that you can’t even read properly. …you realize, of course, that “there was no evidence presented” is in fact a very different claim than “I don’t like how pixelated a picture of the evidence was”? > [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > He was a reporter. He wasn’t a combatant. Then why did Hamas’ own interbal documentation list him as a combatant? Pretty strange. > [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > He wasn’t a rocket brigade commander. He was a reporter. These aren’t mutually exclusive in amy way, shape, or form. You’re not _supposed_ to have reporters take on a combat role, but Hamas does all sorts of things that you aren’t supposed to do. > [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > He wasn’t a Hamas rocket brigade commander. Then why do Hamas’ own documents label him as one? ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2026, 2:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/6191 "2026-07-04T02:17:40Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > …you realize, of course, that “there was no evidence presented” is in fact a very different claim than “I don’t like how pixelated a picture of the evidence was”? …you realize that I’m asking for evidence they are a _terrorist_ and not just a name on a list? This wasn’t a list of “terrorists.” It was a phone number. It was a list of people that were injured in 2017. It was a payroll. The IDF claims it’s a list of terrorists. But all I see are a phone number, a payroll, and a list of people injured in 2017. You are claiming they were a terrorist. What terrorist activities did they take part in? What terrorist activities did they plan? You claim he was a Hamas rocket brigade commander. How many rockets did he fire? Who did he shoot them at? In what way was he a combatant? > [@Babale](#): > > Then why did Hamas’ own interbal documentation list him as a combatant? Pretty strange. Tell me exactly what it said and what dates it refers to. > [@Babale](#): > > These aren’t mutually exclusive in amy way, shape, or form. There is plenty of evidence he was a reporter. There is no evidence he was a rocket brigade commander in this current conflict. > [@Babale](#): > > You’re not _supposed_ to have reporters take on a combat role, but Hamas does all sorts of things that you aren’t supposed to do. Concession he _was_ a reporter accepted. And there is zero evidence he took on a combat role. > [@Babale](#): > > Then why do Hamas’ own documents label him as one? After those documents have been independently verified and confirmed to be “Hamas documents” then we can talk about this more. A reminder: out of the over 200 journalists that have been killed by the IDF since the start of this conflict, this pixelated screenshot of a spreadsheet is the _best_ evidence they’ve got. They’ve got nothing else. The IDF wants us to believe that these journalists were terrorists for no other reason except _they said so_. That isn’t good enough. These were warcrimes. Atrocities. These journalists should not be dead. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2026, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/6192 "2026-07-04T15:53:01Z")
> [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > …you realize that I’m asking for evidence they are a _terrorist_ and not just a name on a list? …your name being on Hamas’ internal list of Hamas terrorists is indeed evidence that they are a terrorist. Even if the people who published the list are “Zionists”. > [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > This wasn’t a list of “terrorists.” It literally was though. > [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > It was a phone number. It was a list of people that were injured in 2017. It was a payroll. A list of Hamas terrorist injured during Hamas operations, yes. > [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > The IDF claims it’s a list of terrorists. The IDF is correct. > [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > But all I see are a phone number, a payroll, and a list of people injured in 2017. Do you think Hamas keeps lists of people who were injured on someone else’s payroll, or are you finally admitting that your precious ‘reporter’ was indeed injured while on Hamas’ payroll? > [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > Concession he _was_ a reporter accepted. I love that you think that this is a _concession_. A reporter who is a combatant terrorist is _worse_ than a generic terrorist in much the same way that a pedophile who is a teacher is worse than a random pedophile without authority over minors. > [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > After those documents have been independently verified and confirmed to be “Hamas documents” then we can talk about this more. 🙄 And how exactly do you imagine that will happen? Will Hamas verify them? Name one conflict where the military waits on ‘independent verification’ for military intelligence being accepted by a random guy in New Zealand or an NGO group before acting? > [@Banquet\_Bear](#): > > These journalists should not be dead. Terrorists who pretend to be journalists should be swiftly dispatched. ---
**Author:** ![DPRK](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/4491bb/32.png) [@DPRK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DPRK)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2026, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/6193 "2026-07-04T16:10:28Z")
Could someone just post a decent scan of all the pages of this infamous document? Then everybody can see exactly what it says and whether it looks authentic. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2026, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/6194 "2026-07-04T16:56:48Z")
> [@Babale](#): > > The IDF is correct. Only someone who accepts IDF statements as gospel without need of independent verification could possibly accept this. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2026, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/6195 "2026-07-04T18:07:06Z")
I think these are the files: > **[e8e85dc1-518d-4e08-b8a5-77576b4dea42.pdf](https://www.idf.il/media/pa0jevmg/e8e85dc1-518d-4e08-b8a5-77576b4dea42.pdf)** > > 212 B Note that none of these have been independently verified, and the Guardian has called them “an unconvincing dossier of unverified evidence on Sharif’s purported Hamas links, [which] failed to address how he would have juggled a military command role with regular broadcast duties in one of the most heavily surveilled places on Earth.” > **[Israeli unit tasked with smearing Gaza journalists as Hamas fighters – report](https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/aug/15/israeli-military-unit-reportedly-tasked-with-linking-journalists-in-gaza-to-hamas)** > > Israeli-Palestinian magazine says IDF ‘legitimisation cell’ set up to blunt global outrage over killing of media staff IMO there’s absolutely no reason to accept them as anything more than fabrications. The IDF hasn’t even tried to offer anything more convincing, and very obviously these could have easily been forged. ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [July 4, 2026, 6:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/6196 "2026-07-04T18:23:05Z")
Very interesting to look back at this article from Nov 2023: > **[Israel Has Already Lost](https://www.unpopularfront.news/p/israel-has-already-lost)** > > The War and the Peace It was prescient. Israel lost this war almost 3 years ago. They’re just getting weaker and weaker. They couldn’t even defeat Hamas. And now they’ve lost to Iran too. ---
**Author:** ![Aspenglow](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspenglow/32/76_2.png) [@Aspenglow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspenglow)\ **Post date:** [July 5, 2026, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/6197 "2026-07-05T00:26:11Z")
Moderating: > [@Babale](#): > > No, I haven’t; you’ve just decided that evidence stops being evidence if “Zionist” hands touch it. Hamas’ internal documentation of who is and is not a Hamas member is, in fact, by definition, evidence. @Babale, drop it. It’s evidence for you. It’s not evidence for @Banquet_Bear. You’ve both gone round and round on this point sufficiently. You can’t force **Banquet\_Bear** to accept it as evidence any more than \*\*Banquet\_Bear can force you to _not_ accept it as evidence. Move on. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317.md?page=302) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317.md?page=304)