# Discussion thread for the Hamas Attacks Israel thread, October 2023 **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Tags:** israel-hamas-war\ **Created:** [October 9, 2023, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317 "2023-10-09T15:10:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 34
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2023, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/755 "2023-10-28T15:37:21Z")
If there are actually civilian corridors, most of the civilians will flee. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2023, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/756 "2023-10-28T15:57:21Z")
I’m pretty sure Hamas would prohibit civilians from fleeing for this precise purpose. Probably would be a “anyone who evacuates will be shot” thing. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2023, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/757 "2023-10-28T16:28:32Z")
> [@puzzlegal](#): > > If there are actually civilian corridors, most of the civilians will flee > [@Velocity](#): > > I’m pretty sure Hamas would prohibit civilians from fleeing for this precise purpose. Probably would be a “anyone who evacuates will be shot” thing That’s what the Israeli news is reporting, yes. > **[‘They are shooting at people,’ Gazan says Hamas preventing evacuation to safety](https://www.ynetnews.com/article/bjqk4hpft)** > > IDF releases recording of call urging civilians to move southward to safety ahead of Israeli strike as part of military intelligence effort to minimize civilian casualties Eta: but from other reporting it does sound like very many people _did_ manage to leave, which is great news and makes a more limited operation more feasible. ---
**Author:** ![thorny\_locust](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thorny_locust/32/431_2.png) [@thorny\_locust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thorny_locust)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2023, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/758 "2023-10-28T18:18:16Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > Cutting off Hamas resources is a brilliant plan. It also minimizes civilian casualties. > > Unfortunately Israel has assembled a huge army that’s ready to attack at any time. It might take a huge army to succeed in cutting off part of Gaza. And they’d have to cut it off to the point at which supplies really couldn’t get in; as well as have enough boots on the ground to keep the rest fairly pacified. ---
**Author:** ![scabpicker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scabpicker/32/8268_2.png) [@scabpicker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/scabpicker)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2023, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/759 "2023-10-28T18:32:45Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > I don’t think there are any right decisions here, just bad and less bad. Yeah, I think the invasion of Gaza is bad because I can’t see how they’ll successfully eliminate Hamas by doing it. But then again, I don’t know how they’re going to eliminate Hamas otherwise, including blockading Gaza indefinitely. Bad options all around. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2023, 6:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/760 "2023-10-28T18:34:55Z")
Looks like they plan to systematically destroy the underground tunnels and bunkers Hamas has built up over the last 15+ years. Meanwhile I kind of expect that the off-sight Hamas leaders are going to find things very hot for the next few years. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2023, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/761 "2023-10-28T18:46:40Z")
> [@What\_Exit](#): > > Meanwhile I kind of expect that the off-sight Hamas leaders are going to find things very hot for the next few years. Ideally they’ll find them very hot for a fraction of a second. ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2023, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/762 "2023-10-28T18:52:33Z")
I’m guessing many will be dead within the next few weeks but the others will need to be on the run for years. I don’t actually know anything of course, but the Israelis seem pretty good at this stuff. Will Hamas leaders be effective while hiding in caves in Afghanistan or keeping a low profile in Iran? I’m guessing accommodations at nice hotels in Doha, Qatar are probably going to leave them vulnerable. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2023, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/763 "2023-10-28T19:02:06Z")
I wouldn’t be surprised if the IDF has a variety of crawler robots that would specialize in going into tunnels and, under some form of human control, can gun down Hamas militants that they see. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2023, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/764 "2023-10-28T19:03:16Z")
> [@What\_Exit](#): > > I’m guessing many will be dead within the next few weeks but the others will need to be on the run for years. I don’t actually know anything of course, but the Israelis seem pretty good at this stuff. Will Hamas leaders be effective while hiding in caves in Afghanistan or keeping a low profile in Iran? Yeah. I feel really conflicted about a lot of stuff in this war, but I’ve no doubt that the leaders of Hamas–who either directly ordered these mass terror murders, or failed to leave and condemn the organization once they occurred–should die. ---
**Author:** ![Dinsdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/97f17d/32.png) [@Dinsdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dinsdale)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2023, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/765 "2023-10-28T19:58:53Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > The more I read and think about it, the more I lean towards the position that an Israeli invasion of Gaza in order to destroy Hamas is the wrong decision… For Israel’s sake, I hope they avoid the US’ error following 9/11 of squandering international support after having been attacked. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2023, 11:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/766 "2023-10-28T23:09:12Z")
> [@What\_Exit](#): > > I’m guessing many will be dead within the next few weeks but the others will need to be on the run for years. I don’t actually know anything of course, but the Israelis seem pretty good at this stuff. Will Hamas leaders be effective while hiding in caves in Afghanistan or keeping a low profile in Iran? > > I’m guessing accommodations at nice hotels in Doha, Qatar are probably going to leave them vulnerable. I’ve said it before, it’s not that Mossad is so great at these things as incredibly _persistant_ at tracking down and killing the enemies of the state. Nope, cushy hotels in Doha will no longer be safe. > [@Velocity](#): > > I wouldn’t be surprised if the IDF has a variety of crawler robots that would specialize in going into tunnels and, under some form of human control, can gun down Hamas militants that they see. It would not surprise me if those “crawler bots” would just gun down anyone found in the tunnels regardless. The IDF does not seem to be exerting much effort to avoid collateral damage. > [@Dinsdale](#): > > For Israel’s sake, I hope they avoid the US’ error following 9/11 of squandering international support after having been attacked. I suspect that ship has already sailed… ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [October 28, 2023, 11:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/767 "2023-10-28T23:57:44Z")
> [@Broomstick](#): > > It would not surprise me if those “crawler bots” would just gun down anyone found in the tunnels regardless. The IDF does not seem to be exerting much effort to avoid collateral damage. Who would be in Hamas tunnels but people working with Hamas? I think it’s safe to say that anyone found down in those tunnels is a fair target. And certainly there would be less collateral damage than going after Hamas hiding in hospitals and schools. ---
**Author:** ![thorny\_locust](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thorny_locust/32/431_2.png) [@thorny\_locust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thorny_locust)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2023, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/768 "2023-10-29T00:04:41Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > Who would be in Hamas tunnels but people working with Hamas? Hostages? ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2023, 12:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/769 "2023-10-29T00:13:33Z")
Walking around in the tunnels? Surely they are locked up somewhere. ---
**Author:** ![Babale](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/babale/32/15666_2.png) [@Babale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Babale)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2023, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/770 "2023-10-29T00:18:08Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > > [@Broomstick](#): > > > > It would not surprise me if those “crawler bots” would just gun down anyone found in the tunnels regardless. The IDF does not seem to be exerting much effort to avoid collateral damage. > > Who would be in Hamas tunnels but people working with Hamas? I think it’s safe to say that anyone found down in those tunnels is a fair target. I doubt the IDF has any autonomous lethal weapons, so any tunnel drones will still require a human to pull the trigger. ---
**Author:** ![thorny\_locust](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thorny_locust/32/431_2.png) [@thorny\_locust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thorny_locust)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2023, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/771 "2023-10-29T00:18:16Z")
I’d expect there to be rooms as part of the tunnel complexes, not only walkways; though I don’t actually know anything about the layout. Some of those rooms might well be lockable. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2023, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/772 "2023-10-29T01:04:27Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > Who would be in Hamas tunnels but people working with Hamas? Oh just spitballin here, hostages? ---
**Author:** ![Magiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/4491bb/32.png) [@Magiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Magiver)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2023, 6:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/773 "2023-10-29T06:09:52Z")
It would be a certainty that Shayetet 13 (Israeli Special forces) have trained for tunnel warfare. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [October 29, 2023, 6:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/774 "2023-10-29T06:37:40Z")
Wonder if maybe there’s no need to go into tunnels? The IDF could just seal off every tunnel entrance with concrete as it finds them, and thus force the Hamas militants inside to either come out or be entombed alive. Unless the IDF is concerned that there are Israeli hostages in the tunnels, or that they’d be missing something valuable that they could discover inside. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317.md?page=33) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317.md?page=35)