# Discussion thread for the Hamas Attacks Israel thread, October 2023 **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Tags:** israel-hamas-war\ **Created:** [October 9, 2023, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317 "2023-10-09T15:10:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Showing post:** 1209
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [November 4, 2023, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/1209 "2023-11-04T22:58:03Z")
> [@Sam\_Stone](#): > > This is an example of pure propaganda. …that was a tweet from a man paying tribute to his cousin’s husband, someone who was beloved in their community, who was killed along with their cousin, their children, and their grandchildren. Abdalhadi Alijla is an author living in Sweden, and I’m going to post the entirety of their post below: > [@Abdalhadi Alijla](#): > > My cousin’s husband, Abu Shadi, was renowned as one of the most famous kunafa sellers in Gaza. Last year, the queue at night in front of his shop on Salah al-Din Street would stretch very long. His kunafa was not only delicious and authentic but also affordable. He fondly referred to his kunafa as “the Poor’s Kunafa.”, He was killed along with my cousin, their children, and grandchildren. They didn’t even mention the IDF. They didn’t even mention _who killed them_. It was a loving tribute. Not propaganda. These stories remind me every day _what is lost_. That these aren’t “human shields.” They aren’t just unfortunate collateral damage. They aren’t _all_ “protecting tunnels, living above rocket storage.” Innocent Palestinian lives are treated in the _abstract_ here. To the point that a tribute to a family that didn’t even mention Israel gets called propaganda. It was 3700 children deaths yesterday. Today its 3900. On the West Bank, according to the UNOCHA since the 7th October 132 Palestinians have killed by Israeli forces or settlers. That includes _41 children_. > [@Babale](#): > > That’s an example of the US army screwing up, looking internally, deciding it screwed up, and apologizing for it. It was an example of transparency and accountability, something you claimed literally no nation at war in history had ever acted in this way, and doubted one ever would. > [@Babale](#): > > For example they just did it the other day when an artillery strike on Hezbollah forces killed a Reuters journalist (a photographer IIRC?). Israel apologized for that mistake, Yeah. About that. Assuming you are talking about Issam Abdallah: > **[Death of Reuters reporter Issam Abdallah: What happened on the...](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hmcPUzR9KE8%2F)** > > Reporters Without Borders (RSF) has released a video reconstruction of the tragedy that resulted in the death of one journalist and the injury of several oth... Reporters without Borders claim that their journalists were deliberately targeted and present evidence to back it up. The “apology” was we are “very sorry for the death of any civilian, whether they are journalists or any other civilians.” The incident is still under “investigation.” But I have no faith if the target wasn’t a media outlet that had documented exactly what happened, that an investigation would have happened in the first place. I remember when Shireen Abu Akleh was shot and killed. I remember the investigation. How it could not “unequivocally determine the source of the gunfire which hit Ms. Abu Akleh.” That it claimed it _might_ have been an accident in an account that doesn’t match up with the video or the eyewitnesses. I will never ever forget this. > **[Pallbearer describes attack on Shireen Abu Akleh’s funeral](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d0jQ1DrBRag%2F)** > > “They kept beating.” One of the mourners who carried the coffin of Al Jazeera reporter Shireen Abu Akleh describes being attacked by Israeli forces ahead of ... > [@Babale](#): > > You think the IDF doesn’t review its own actions just like the US Army does? I don’t think the IDF thinks they are doing anything wrong here, so no, I won’t be expecting an objective review of their actions. > [@Riemann](#): > > the finger-pointing must be framed in a context of acknowledging that no nation on earth would tolerate the continued existence of Hamas next door It doesn’t matter how many times the finger-pointers condemn Hamas, it doesn’t matter how many times the finger-pointers say “taking out Hamas is right and just”, it doesn’t matter how many times the finger-pointers say "Hamas are evil, terrorists and murderers… It doesn’t matter how many times we say all of those things, you won’t listen to us unless we accept your _exact narrative frame_. I can tell you right now: the IDF aren’t going to listen to me even if _I did what you asked_. > [@Riemann](#): > > Israel are simply going to ignore you. As if they were going to listen to me anyway LOL. Since you are making demands of the “finger pointers” : the finger pointers will start listening to Israel when it ends administrative detention. When it ends its apartheid regime. When it lifts the siege. --- _[View the full topic](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317)._