# Discussion thread for the Hamas Attacks Israel thread, October 2023

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**Tags:** israel-hamas-war\
**Created:** [October 9, 2023, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317 "2023-10-09T15:10:01Z")\
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**Post date:** [November 15, 2023, 3:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/1642 "2023-11-15T03:18:40Z")

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> [@Mighty\_Mouse](#):
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> Have these people swept the place for Hamas militants? If they knew there were Hamas militants staged behind the fucking incubators, would they tell you that?

…I very strongly suspect, and please, by all means, feel free to correct me here, but ths hospital workers are too busy saving lives to be concerned about “sweeping the hospital.”

But all of the international humanitarian aid agencies have been in regular contact with the people in the hospitals when they can, up until the start of the hospital siege a few days ago.

And the humanitarian aid agencies have no qualms in calling out either side in the conflict. And there isn’t even a _hint_ of what you suggest of going on. What the aid agencies are telling us, almost uniformly, is that their people are working alongside the Palestinians in a desperate attempt to keep people alive.

> [@Mighty\_Mouse](#):
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> You have no way of knowing reliably what is going on. That you choose to believe one side (while strenuously denying that you do) and categorically disbelieve the other side, is pretty telling.

There are three sides to the conflict in Gaza. You’ve got the IDF. You’ve got Hamas.

And you’ve got the people in between. You can go read what the doctors from Doctors without Borders have reported.

I’m listening to the humanitarian agencies who are talking to the people that are stuck in the middle. I’m not _siding with Hamas_.

An estimated 12,000 people have died in Gaza. An estimated 5000 children. It is still under siege. No food, no water, no fuel. Most of the hospitals out of action. 1.7 million people displaced according to Israeli numbers.

And yet: the conversation here today was largely about “bombing them into submission.” I think that’s _abhorrent_. And I wish people were as angry at those that have tabled those suggestions as they are angry at me.

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