# Discussion thread for the Hamas Attacks Israel thread, October 2023

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**Created:** [October 9, 2023, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317 "2023-10-09T15:10:01Z")\
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**Post date:** [February 9, 2024, 4:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/3434 "2024-02-09T04:41:11Z")

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> [@Banquet\_Bear](#):
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> Israel made the decision to surround the hospitals.

All _after_ **Hamas** made the _decision_ to attack Israel. Thus all that is the fault of Hamas.

> [@Banquet\_Bear](#):
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> This doesn’t change Israel’s obligations under international law.

> [@Banquet\_Bear](#):
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> Israel decided to violate the Geneva Conventions and International Humanitarian Law.

Hamas doesnt follow international law or the geneva conventions. In fact it is listed internationally as a terrorist organization.

[https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press-releases/2024/01/19/hamas-and-palestinian-islamic-jihad-council-establishes-dedicated-sanctions-framework-and-lists-six-individuals/](https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/press/press-releases/2024/01/19/hamas-and-palestinian-islamic-jihad-council-establishes-dedicated-sanctions-framework-and-lists-six-individuals/)

# Hamas and Palestinian Islamic Jihad: Council establishes dedicated sanctions framework and lists six individuals

T_he Council today established a dedicated framework of restrictive measures that will allow the European Union to hold accountable any individual or entity who **supports, facilitates or enables violent actions by Hamas and the Palestinian Islamic Jihad** (PIJ)._

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University of California, Berkeley  
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_"The conclusion that_ **unlawful combatants, including terrorist organizations and organizations that harbor them, are not subject to Geneva Convention protection** _also has other important consequences besides national security and the collection of life-saving military intelligence._"

Thus no nation has _any_ obligation to follow the Geneva conventions when dealing with terrorists.

> **[ICRC: Neutral humanitarian action | Protecting lives in conflict](https://www.icrc.org/en)**
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> The ICRC protects lives and dignity in conflict zones through neutral, impartial, and independent action. See how we deliver aid and uphold international humanitarian law.

So no- Israel did not violate the Geneva conventions, etc.

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