Discussion thread for the Hamas Attacks Israel thread, October 2023

Nothing I have said is based on any prior assumption that the IDF is honest, but keep on beating that straw man to death.

We know IDF sources and Hamas sources are heavily biased. The concern here is the credibility of any “independent” source A claiming that it sounds fake or any “independent” source B claiming that it sounds genuine. I will remain skeptical of both A and B unless they are identified and I can judge their expertise and objectivity for myself.