# Discussion thread for the Hamas Attacks Israel thread, October 2023 **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Tags:** israel-hamas-war\ **Created:** [October 9, 2023, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317 "2023-10-09T15:10:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Showing post:** 5001
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2025, 3:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/5001 "2025-08-11T03:17:15Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Going pro Hamas …I can’t believe that after nearly two years of this, people are still invoking the “pro Hamas” strawman. There was absolutely nothing I said, or anything in my link, that was even _remotely_ “pro Hamas.” Not in the _slightest_. But for the sake of clarity: I 100% condemn Hamas. What they did on October 7th was an atrocity and a warcrime. I am not pro Hamas. I do not support anyone that is pro Hamas, and I did not share any pro Hamas viewpoints in this thread. > [@DrDeth](#): > > would lose them the large Jewish lobby, i.e. political suicide. And let’s be clear on this: the “Jewish lobby” and Jewish people _are not the same_. Which explains why so many Jewish people support pro-Palestinian candidates like Mamdani. > **[Zohran Mamdani holds lead among Jewish voters for New York mayor, new polls show](https://www.haaretz.com/us-news/2025-08-07/ty-article/.premium/zohran-mamdani-holds-lead-among-jewish-voters-for-new-york-mayor-new-polls-show/00000198-8413-dfd7-a5df-bcfbab5d0000)** > > \*\*\* I think it’s very clear that most Jewish people _oppose_ the ethnic cleansing of Gaza. They _oppose_ the extermination of the Palestinian people. And it’s about time we call the “lobby” out. If _any_ lobby group, no matter _who they are,_ support the proposed tactics of ethnic cleansing and extermination of Palestinians in Gaza and the West Bank, then I oppose it. And everyone else should do that as well. > [@DrDeth](#): > > This is not the Dems fault This IS the Democrats fault. They _let this happen._ > [@DrDeth](#): > > it is the fault of trump, egging Netanyahu on. I argue in this thread: > [@What will happen in Gaza now that Trump won?](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/what-will-happen-in-gaza-now-that-trump-won/1009762/11): > > …I take no pleasure in writing this post. First off: it’s pretty important to understand, before we look at what could happen under Trump, what is going on, right now, under the Biden administration. Here is an open letter from the Inter-Agency Standing Committee, 15 UN and Humanitarian agencies that include (among others) OCHA, Oxfam, UNICEF and WHO. The very last fire engine in the north was destroyed a couple of weeks ago. Civil defence has ceased to operate. That means when a building is… That it didn’t matter if Trump won or Harris. We would be in exactly the same place now. I don’t believe the Democrats would put any meaningful restraint on Netanyahu. In fact, you argued in other threads that there wasn’t anything they could do at all, and Biden at the time had done all he could. So what are you imagining would be the difference now? > [@DrDeth](#): > > Those few pro-palestine voters that voted against Harris are now seeing what “the lesser of two evils” “Evils” is the right word to be using here. A vote for Trump or a vote for Harris was indeed a vote for _evil_. But we don’t actually know if it would have been a “lesser” evil or not. Rafah was flattened under Biden. Even though Rafah was supposed to be his “red line.” The Gazan healthcare system destroyed under Biden. Hundreds of journalists assassinated under Biden. I think we would be in exactly the same place right now under Harris. Except that because the Democrats would have been in charge, there may well have been _less_ opposition to how Israel is waging its “war.” And no: pro-Palestinians (voters, non voters and otherwise) are NOT responsible for Trump. The blame should go where it belongs: the people that voted for MAGA, the Democrats for not recognising the threat for decades, hiding the extent of Biden’s decline, and a last minute pivot on Harris’s campaign that took it down the road of blandness and mediocrity. > [@DrDeth](#): > > And is Carlson anti Israel or just the usual bigoted hate? I don’t care. That wasn’t the point. I don’t need to read a link to know that Tucker Carlson is a hateful, bigoted, loathsome idiot most probably with a hidden agenda. He praised the killers of Fernando Pereira. I will never ever forget that, nor forgive him. I was explaining how pro-Palestinian views had infiltrated into the MAGAsphere. Thats all. --- _[View the full topic](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317)._