# Discussion thread for the Hamas Attacks Israel thread, October 2023 **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Tags:** israel-hamas-war\ **Created:** [October 9, 2023, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317 "2023-10-09T15:10:01Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 1\ **Showing post:** 6131
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [May 18, 2026, 9:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317/6131 "2026-05-18T09:25:30Z")
> [@Max\_S](#): > > I believe the [official statement](https://www.idf.il/en/mini-sites/military-advocate-generals-corps/the-military-advocate-general-s-decision-to-withdraw-the-indictment-against-the-force-100-soldiers-from-the-sde-teiman-base/) is plausible. …I don’t. For starters: this isn’t an isolated case. > [@wiki](#): > > Several Palestinian prisoners since returned to Gaza reported to UNWRA and the New York Times that a metal stick was used to inflict injury by penetrating the anus of detainees under interrogation and multiple prisoners reported the use of electric shocks, sometimes being forced to “sit in a chair wired with electricity” > … > On 29 July 2024, the Israeli military police detained nine Israeli soldiers for questioning as part of an investigation of a suspected abuse of a Palestinian prisoner, whom _The Times of Israel_ reported “signs of serious abuse, including to his anus”. > … > He reported widespread torture, including by medical staff, as well as electrocution during interrogations, sexual abuse, constant beatings, forced stripping, genital grabbing, and frequent occurrences of rape and gang-rape committed by both male and female soldiers. > … > In one instance, a prisoner in his 40s was handcuffed and forced to bend over a desk while a female soldier inserted her fingers and other objects into his rectum. If the prisoner moved, a male soldier positioned in front of him would beat him and compel him to remain in that position. > … > Transferred from [Tel al-Hawa](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tel_al-Hawa) to the detention camp, he was forced to wear a diaper and placed in a large warehouse-like building with chains hanging from the ceiling. Detainees, also in diapers, were suspended from chains attached to metal handcuffs. Khalili described being chained, electrocuted while wearing a garment and headband connected to wires, and subjected to beatings. > [@The Conversation](#): > > Once he got to the medical facility, Ben said he was astonished by what he saw. Even though this was late December and the place had been operational for more than two months, “patients were still wearing nothing but diapers”. He told us they were still [cuffed](https://www.nytimes.com/2024/06/06/world/middleeast/israel-gaza-detention-base.html?ref=oembed) to their beds and [blindfolded](https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-04-04/ty-article/.premium/doctor-at-idf-field-hospital-for-detained-gazans-we-are-all-complicit-in-breaking-law/0000018e-a59c-dfed-ad9f-afdfb5ce0000) at all times, including while receiving medical treatment. They were not allowed to get out of bed, so had to defecate in bed when they needed to relieve themselves. > … > most of these patients would have been able to go to the toilet, shower and feed themselves had they not been restrained to their beds 24 hours a day. > … > Comparing our findings with testimonies that have emerged over the last two years, we can say with confidence that the use of torture by the Israeli security forces has increased both in scale and severity since then – though this has been denied by the Israeli [government](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cqldpyn5ng6o) and [military](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cn7vje365rno). > > According to [numerous](https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2024/07/un-report-palestinian-detainees-held-arbitrarily-and-secretly-subjected) [verified](https://www.hrw.org/news/2024/07/23/israel-detainees-face-inhumane-treatment) [reports](https://www.amnesty.org.uk/press-releases/israel-palestinians-gaza-held-secret-detention-describe-torture-new-testimonies), many of the detainees in Sde Teiman were subjected to [sexual violence](https://www.unrwa.org/sites/default/files/content/resources/summary_on_detention_and_alleged_ill-treatmentupdated.pdf) ranging from forced nudity and humiliation to [rape](https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cqldpyn5ng6o); constant cuffing that led to injuries and in some cases the [amputation](https://www.haaretz.com/israel-news/2024-04-04/ty-article/.premium/doctor-at-idf-field-hospital-for-detained-gazans-we-are-all-complicit-in-breaking-law/0000018e-a59c-dfed-ad9f-afdfb5ce0000) of limbs; and beatings using batons, metal bars and the butts of guns and boots, sometimes until detainees lost consciousness. > **[Israeli doctors reveal their conflicted stories of treating Palestinian...](https://theconversation.com/israeli-doctors-reveal-their-conflicted-stories-of-treating-palestinian-prisoners-held-in-notorious-black-site-sde-teiman-264091)** > > Israeli medical staff who treated Palestinian captives in the wake of the October 7 attacks say they are haunted by their experiences. > [@The BBC](#): > > In the men’s testimony: > > - They each describe being stripped, blindfolded, cuffed and beaten > - Some also say they were given electric shocks, menaced by dogs, and denied access to medical care > - Some say they witnessed the deaths of other detainees > - One says he witnessed sexual abuse > - Another says he had his head dunked in chemicals and his back set on fire > > We have seen reports by a lawyer who visited two of the men in prison, and have spoken to medical staff who treated some of them on their return. > **[Gazan detainees tell BBC of torture by IDF and Israel Prison Service](https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cn7vje365rno)** > > Interviews with five men held in the months after the Hamas attacks reveal allegations of violence and abuse, adding to reports of misconduct by military and prison staff. I’ve posted dozens more reports and articles about Palestinians being humiliated, sexually assaulted, beaten and tortured in Israeli detention. This didn’t start after October 7th. It goes back _decades_. > **[Israel: Palestinian Healthcare Workers Tortured](https://www.hrw.org/news/2024/08/26/israel-palestinian-healthcare-workers-tortured)** > > Israeli forces have arbitrarily detained Palestinian healthcare workers in Gaza since hostilities began in October 2023, deported them to detention facilities in Israel, and allegedly tortured and ill-treated them. > **[israel946.pdf](https://www.hrw.org/reports/pdfs/i/israel/israel946.pdf)** > > 1246.52 KB > **[Israel/OPT: Horrifying cases of torture and degrading treatment of...](https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2023/11/israel-opt-horrifying-cases-of-torture-and-degrading-treatment-of-palestinian-detainees-amid-spike-in-arbitrary-arrests/)** > > Israeli authorities have dramatically increased their use of administrative detention, a form of arbitrary detention, of Palestinians across the occupied West Bank; extended emergency measures that facilitate inhuman and degrading treatment of... > **[Torture and degrading treatment of Palestinian detainees](https://amnesty.org.nz/torture-of-palestinian-detainees/)** > > Israeli authorities have increased their arbitrary detention of Palestinians across the occupied West Bank. Do you want to guess how many times anyone has been found accountable? This time _they had it on camera_. It should have been a _slam dunk_. But why do you think the (former) Chief Advocate felt they had to leak the footage? Don’t you think that suggests something important? These are _torture camps_. It was captured on video. We only ever saw it because it was leaked. We can see it with our own eyes. And _still_ people look for reasons not to believe. --- _[View the full topic](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-hamas-attacks-israel-thread-october-2023/991317)._