Me too. And I hope they investigate the commanders who are giving these orders, not just blame the soldiers carrying them out.
…stuff like this has been regularly reported from the ground:
I’ve seen video footage of people trying to run the gauntlet to get food and it looks exactly like something out of squid games or the running man to me. It’s utterly dystopian.
All Twitter links. None of them are mainstream links sorry which is what I would normally post. All safe for work, although there are plenty more that show the carnage.
If this article isn’t damning, then it’s pretty clear that nothing could ever be damning.
I agree. I also hope I get a flying pony that poops emeralds for Chanukah.
I find it incredibly interesting that the very same people who told us “Maybe the Supreme Leader of Iran was just being hyperbolic when he said that Israel must be destroyed, don’t worry about his nuclear program” are also telling us that gallows humor jokes from 18 year old soldiers is indicative of genocidal intent.
Have a cite that anyone participating in the discussion of this article has ever said anything of the kind? I know I haven’t, I’d bet my house that puzzlegal hasn’t, and I doubt very much that DemonTree, iiandyii, or probably even Banquet Bear ever has.
So are you tarring an entire group of posters with a broad brush, or are you just flat out making shit up?
Yeah, it’s been the official policy of Iran for decades that Israel must be destroyed. I don’t think there’s any hyperbole there. And i can’t recall anyone saying that, here, or really, anywhere.
As far as I can tell, you’ve rejected every single report of atrocious behavior by the IDF. No matter who reports it.
Is there anything short of the word of god that would have you acknowledge wrongdoing?
And whataboutism is beneath this board. I’m no fan of Iran. I have no beef with Israel attacking its nuclear program (though, I am very cynical about the timing). I visit Israel regularly (or, did) and am quite fond of it and its people. But that doesn’t mean (just like my country) it and its army can’t sometimes lose its way and do horrible things.
It sure seems like you can’t admit the same.
It’s past time to stop tormenting Palestinians. And whether it’s actual government policy or just blood lust, that is what’s happening.
No, I don’t make shit up:
What exactly did I reject here?
The IDF shot at people who entered a militarized zone after they fired warning shots. I don’t dispute that report.
What I dispute is that this is in any way unusual or inconsistent with how any army on the planet would act in that situation.
You’re doing it now. You’re ignoring the “atrocious” part.
No big deal. Every army in the world has soldiers reporting to media that they were ordered to shoot unarmed civilians who posed no threat. And they all use cruel Squid-games rules when distributing aid, killing those who break the rules.
That’s why no army in the history of the world has ever been able to successfully keep an occupied population from starving to death.
Oh, so that’s what we did wrong in the Berlin Airlift. We should have delivered food and not dropped bombs. It makes so much more sense now.
If only those stupid German children had listened when we dropped the little bombs with handkerchief parachutes they might have lived.
Well, that’s an ungenerous paraphrase of his post, and I don’t actually disagree with what he said; it’s certainly a realistic possibility, even a strong possibility, that the mullahs aren’t actually insane enough to start a war which would inevitably end in the annihilation of their own country.
If he had said that there is NO realistic possibility that they actually mean what they say, and/or that Iran’s nuclear program is literally “nothing to worry about”, that would be IMO idiotic. But reasonable people can disagree over whether the risks of not starting this war outweigh the benefits, without claiming that the risks involved are nonexistent.
Having said that, I share your frustration with those posters who handwave away the evidence coming from the IAEA and other non-Israeli sources that Iran has escalated its nuclear program in the recent past. And I must also admire your skill in deflecting the conversation from obviously indefensible Israeli actions to arguably defensible ones.
Though there was that unfortunate case–and I do mean that in a non-sarcastic way of two groups unfortunately not talking to each other–of earlier Americans made humanitarian daily ration packs being close to the color of cluster bombs.
The Soviets did it intentionally in Afghanistan.
Stipulating that this is true, or at least stipulating that it is not the IDF’s intentional mandate to be killing innocent civilians and that the soldiers put in this position do not want to be doing so: isn’t the difference that the Israeli government has created this problem for, and essentially by, itself?
I’m ask this sincerely—I don’t speak Hebrew and I have not followed the nuances of those political questions: has Israel requested that some peacekeeping organization with better capability and expertise in crowd control take over and been rejected by those organizations?
Because if the alternatives are:
- Relinquish control of humanitarian aid under the assumption that some of it will, indeed, be siphoned off by corrupt local authorities and used to fund Hamas and other terrorist organizations, or
- Retain control while employing underqualified, overstressed soldiers whose reactions regularly result in the deaths of the people those soldiers have implicitly assumed responsibility for by insisting that any other aid organization is intolerable
There must be some point where the first option is the “least bad” one by such a wide margin that “every other army would react this way”—even if true, is outweighed by—“that’s why we don’t ask armies to be solely responsible for aid distribution in an extended humanitarian crisis.”