I do genuinely appreciate it when criticism of Israel is so transparently biased though. Thanks for not even keeping it subtle.
An upper limit? As in you think that the maximum number of militants killed is what the dossier says? The idea that the IDF could have killed a militant but not identified them by name in order to mark them off is that outlandish to you?
This data isn’t worthless, it tells you something specific: how many people the IDF identified as militants, and how many of those people the IDF identified as dead. (On one particular document, but that’s a whole other question).
The problem is when someone tries to pretend that the number of militants identified as dead in this dossier is equivalent to the number of militants killed by the IDF. It’s a comparison of apples and ducks. The IDF isn’t able to ascertain the exact identity of every person it kills in combat, nor do you need to know someone’s name in order to identify him as a combatant who is actively firing at you and thus a valid target for firing back at.
…did you not read my post? The Gaza Ministry of Health record the names, ages gender and location of where everybody is killed in Gaza. I don’t expect them to read the names tags off to the CO. But to cross reference the names from the list. Thats clearly what they would have done with the other names.
“I treated so many children that had been snipered, some of them multiple times.” He said that he evaluated two children who had been snipered twice each in the head and chest. “These two children were shot so perfectly in the chest that I couldn’t have put my stethoscope over their hearts more accurately.” He said there were multiple pre-teen children with gunshot wounds to the head. “Their families told us they had been shot by Israeli forces while playing inside or in the street.” He described seeing a three-year-old shot in the head and neck: “I could see it was not an accident.”
That was testimony from Dr Mark Perlmutter, which echoes the reports from multiple foreign surgeons/doctors that worked in Gaza that say they worked on multiple children that were targeted by IDF snipers. Forensic evidence has been posted on paywalled links to the New York Times you can look up yourself. That 3 year old wasn’t a combantant.
I don’t “claim” to know that. Its a fact.
The data at the time the report was from May. The reports of at least 10,000 bodies missing under the rubble are the most recent estimates.
No they are not. The current death toll in Gaza exceeds 70,000. About 400 Palestinians have been killed since the “ceasefire.” There are an estimated 10,000 missing under the rubble. There is nothing contradictory here.
The Hamas Ministry of Health DOES retract deaths when they find they have made mistakes. That’s what one would expect them to do, right? I’m not entirely sure what specific incident you are referring to. But almost everyone, including the US State Department, acknowledge that the Gaza Ministry of Health numbers are broadly accurate and most likely to be a significant undercount.
I resent this accusation.
I spend a considerable amount of time making sure that everything I post in this thread is meticulously cited. I take the time to both verify any claims I make here AND can back them up on request.
And in this case the numbers have to be higher. Because it doesn’t count those who have died because they couldn’t treat treatable things like cancer or kidney failure because the healthcare system has been attacked, or because of malnutrition.
I read it past the headline. It makes sense. If you have better numbers we can use, feel free to share.
On the night of his death, he was threatened by someone identifying himself as an Israeli officer. So he moved back into his sisters apartment which was surgically targeted, and he was killed.
And we’re really meant to believe that? OK bud. Is the Israeli officer on the room with us right now?
Let’s pretend for a moment that an Israeli officer called him to threaten him (yeah, right). Let’s ignore for a moment that your own cite says:
But let’s ignore that and pretend that an IDF officer called him to threaten him, because IDF officers are apparently middle schoolers who like to prank call people.
How the fuck would the IDF know that if they threaten him he would move into his sister’s apartment?
Meanwhile, I looked into this poet of yours. Did you know that immediately after October 7, this Refaat piece of shit responded to posts about Hamas fighters killing a baby in an oven by asking if they baked it with or without baking powder? He sure did have a beautiful way with words, huh? I wonder if anyone lectured him about making dead baby jokes, the way @iiandyiiii berated @Smapti upthread.
Thankfully, these reports turned out to be false - a fact I’m sure Refaat was very disappointed by.
But yeah, let’s trust whatever his “close friend” says about mysterious phone calls from Israeli officers. Who knows, maybe his Close Friend was the Andy of Gaza, and he told him how wrong it was to make those jokes in the aftermath of the Oct 7 slaughter.
…considering the forum I really wish you could hold back on the sarcastic tone. Especially considering we are talking about something that really should be common knowledge, that has happened to multiple Palestinians. For example: Hossam Shabat.
We know that the IDF have the phone numbers of Palestinians because they call them to say “we are going to blow up your home.” One IDF intelligence unit is on record as having made 50,000 phone calls (as of December 2023), 12 million voice message and 14 million text messages. From warnings to attempts to “turn” people to outright threats. It’s a propaganda unit. They do exactly what you would expect.
Lets not ignore that. Lets address it up front. You removed the context. The full sentence:
“While the credibility of the threat itself is unclear, it contributed to prompting Refaat to move back to his sister’s apartment…”
Bolding mine. In context, the article is talking about Refaat’s state-of-mind at the time. He was unsure of the credibility of the threat. But it was serious enough that he made the decision to change locations.
It turns out the threat was serious because they killed him.
What the hell kind of military is this? Not even enough discipline that they can’t help themselves from posting it for the entire world to see. Cheering as they blow up peoples houses. Stealing and prancing around in quite possibly dead womens underwear. I’d like to think most middle schoolers aren’t this depraved. I have no doubt that an army that does this is ALSO capable of trolling its targets with phone calls.
They obviously didn’t. Some of his friends suggested the threats were of the nature that they were coming for him that night, and he went to his sisters because if they did, then less people would get killed. The implication here is that they knew where he was, and that instead of killing him at the shelter they killed him to the place that he went instead.
But the baby wasn’t real. You know that, right? Hamas fighters didn’t kill a baby in any oven. It didn’t happen. This would be the equivalent of blood libel. A vicious, anti-Palestinian smear that is completely made up and at the time was being used as part of a hate campaign. What Hamas actually did on October the 7th was bad enough. But these sorts of lies (along with the 40 beheaded babies) helped fuel the intensity of Israels and the world’s response to October 7th which has lead to what we have today.
And the thing is, even though I personally think Refaat’s response was in bad taste, I can certainly both understand why he said it, and also think it didn’t deserve a death sentence.
I don’t believe this to be true. He made the joke because he knew it wasn’t true and the baby was a fiction. He wouldn’t have made a joke about a real baby, and there is nothing to indicate he would have celebrated it.
Here is Brian Cox reading IF I MUST DIE, the last poem by Refaat Alareer.
I’d vote them off the island before I’d extend the war any further. No reason to kill off the children. Just move them to another land until a working agreement can be arranged. That’s the solution to Hama’s unending war.
I suspect the Oct 6 attack was the last straw for Israel. The Israelis can fill in the tunnels and rebuild the land. Anybody wishing to return can do so under sponsorship.