# Discussion thread for the "Polls only" thread (Part 1)

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-polls-only-thread-part-1/972380>\
**Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\
**Created:** [September 28, 2022, 11:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-polls-only-thread-part-1/972380 "2022-09-28T11:33:16Z")\
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**Author:** ![Reeses\_Monkey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/reeses_monkey/32/2885_2.png) [@Reeses\_Monkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reeses_Monkey)\
**Post date:** [November 4, 2023, 12:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-polls-only-thread-part-1/972380/7864 "2023-11-04T00:47:43Z")

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I miss having ferrets, they’re great fun to play with. But I now have a husky and a cattle dog so a ferret is definitely a no-go unless it stays caged the whole time and where’s the fun in that? Besides, I have a sneaking suspicion that the cattle dog could open the cage if sufficiently motivated.

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**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\
**Post date:** [November 4, 2023, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-polls-only-thread-part-1/972380/7865 "2023-11-04T01:05:50Z")

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> [@DrDeth](#):
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> It didnt ask about his age- just - _Are you voting for Biden in 2024 enthusiastically, or reluctantly?_

Enthusiastically. But he’s still too old. So is Trump. Of course, Trump has many, many shortcomings worse than age. Biden, it’s just the age thing. So, I’m enthusiastic.

[I guess we should define what we mean by “too old.” I don’t mean it disqualifies him or is something I can’t get passed. I mean only I would prefer a younger candidate \*all other things being equal\*. But all other things are never equal.]

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**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\
**Post date:** [November 4, 2023, 12:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-polls-only-thread-part-1/972380/7866 "2023-11-04T12:21:02Z")

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I had an old girlfriend who had a ferret. That thing stunk. No thanks. To be honest I don’t want any pet other than a dog.

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**Author:** ![psychonaut](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/psychonaut/32/4655_2.png) [@psychonaut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/psychonaut)\
**Post date:** [November 4, 2023, 1:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-polls-only-thread-part-1/972380/7867 "2023-11-04T13:17:50Z")

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> [@thorny\_locust](#):
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> I can readily imagine that cats and ferrets raised together from kittenhood (and whatever the equivalent’s called in ferrets) would have genuinely enjoyable tag games, in which the result of being caught wasn’t a significant risk of being killed and eaten. But that wouldn’t mean that introducing a ferret into a household with adult cats was a good idea.

We’ve had ferrets for 20 years, and two years ago we got a kitten. The adult ferrets had no problem accepting the baby kitten, though we never let them play unsupervised until the kitten got old enough to escape on its own (usually by jumping onto furniture surfaces that ferrets couldn’t access).

We’ve conversely had friends with adult cats babysit our ferrets while we were on holiday. It’s never been a problem, though we’ve always made sure to introduce the animals on several occasions in advance of the holiday to make sure there would be no problems. The cats never fully accepted the ferrets, but neither did they seem interested in attacking them. They just stayed as far away as possible (much to the disappointment of the ferrets).

Of course, I can imagine that not every adult cat would be so (reluctantly) accommodating, though keep in mind that ferrets are also cunning carnivores with thick skin and sharp teeth. In a fight, a cat, being heavier and stronger, would probably be favoured. Though if the ferret had the element of surprise and managed to get a grip on the cat’s throat, it would probably stand a good chance, especially if the cat’s claws had been recently trimmed.

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**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\
**Post date:** [November 4, 2023, 1:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-polls-only-thread-part-1/972380/7868 "2023-11-04T13:28:51Z")

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> [@Velocity](#):
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> We see endless cases about the 1st, 2nd, 4th, 5th, 6th, etc. but the Third has yet to see a tasty legal challenge.

There was Engblom v Carey but that was decided at a circuit level and the Supreme Court declined to hear an appeal.

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**Author:** ![pjd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pjd/32/3009_2.png) [@pjd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pjd)\
**Post date:** [November 5, 2023, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-polls-only-thread-part-1/972380/7869 "2023-11-05T19:35:35Z")

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Those little pre-scored tabs on the ends of the box that you can press in to hold the  
roll in place use useless. As are the serrated edges that are supposed to facilitate  
tearing.

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**Author:** ![InternetLegend](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/internetlegend/32/13154_2.png) [@InternetLegend](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/InternetLegend)\
**Post date:** [November 5, 2023, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-polls-only-thread-part-1/972380/7870 "2023-11-05T20:01:35Z")

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The tabs _can_ work - right up until you give it a good tug and they fail, after which they never work again. And the serrated metal strip works fine. It just works better on fingers than foil (and not at all on plastic). Actually, once I realized that you can buy the restaurant-style boxes of plastic wrap that sit on the counter and use a sliding tab and groove mechanism to cut the wrap, I never looked back.

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**Author:** ![ParallelLines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/parallellines/32/3575_2.png) [@ParallelLines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ParallelLines)\
**Post date:** [November 5, 2023, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-polls-only-thread-part-1/972380/7871 "2023-11-05T20:04:03Z")

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> [@pjd](#):
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> As are the serrated edges that are supposed to facilitate  
> tearing.

There are two (I’m going for absolutes here even though I know someone will contradict me) classes of serrations on rolls (wax paper, parchment paper, plastic wrap, aluminum foil): absolutely useless and dull, or razor sharp and effective options that can leave bloody wounds if you’re careless. In my experience, if I get a ‘consumer’ sized version of something, it’s normally the former, and if I buy a restaurant size version, much more likely to be the latter.

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**Author:** ![Die\_Capacitrix](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/die_capacitrix/32/9_2.png) [@Die\_Capacitrix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Die_Capacitrix)\
**Post date:** [November 5, 2023, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-polls-only-thread-part-1/972380/7872 "2023-11-05T20:10:38Z")

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Currently in a hotel with a rain shower head. Do not like. I want water pressure and I want the width of the water to be less than ⅓ of the width of the shower area, so I can choose to be completely under the shower or just part of me.

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**Author:** ![Mean\_Mr.Mustard](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mean_mr.mustard/32/3865_2.png) [@Mean\_Mr.Mustard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mean_Mr.Mustard)\
**Post date:** [November 5, 2023, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-polls-only-thread-part-1/972380/7873 "2023-11-05T20:17:28Z")

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For the tabs on the aluminum foil box poll I wanted an option that said _“I know the tabs are there but they don’t work for shit.”_

mmm

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**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\
**Post date:** [November 5, 2023, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-polls-only-thread-part-1/972380/7874 "2023-11-05T20:38:07Z")

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I usually vary the pressure/width of my shower head during my shower. That wasn’t one of the options.

I wash most of my body with the wide, gentle setting, but i rinse water out of my hair with narrow, high pressure, and i often use the massage setting, as well.

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**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\
**Post date:** [November 5, 2023, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-polls-only-thread-part-1/972380/7875 "2023-11-05T20:39:26Z")

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I hate that. I like a handheld shower head. I like to be able to step completely out of the stream, or concentrate it on the part I’m rinsing. I never feel like i can wash my legs or feet in those “rain” showers.

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**Author:** ![DCnDC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dcndc/32/2842_2.png) [@DCnDC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DCnDC)\
**Post date:** [November 5, 2023, 9:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-polls-only-thread-part-1/972380/7876 "2023-11-05T21:09:07Z")

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In a perfect world, IMO every page should be numbered. However, if a library book is not, that is not permission to write in it, no matter how neatly you do it. One of these things is possibly a conscious choice by the author. The other is objectively vandalism.

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**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\
**Post date:** [November 5, 2023, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-polls-only-thread-part-1/972380/7877 "2023-11-05T21:15:07Z")

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I like being able to refer back to particular pages in a book without needing to use multiple bookmarks or sticky notes. If adding page numbers is vandalism, it is a benign form of vandalism that will, I hope, be helpful to others.

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**Author:** ![markn\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@markn\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/markn_1)\
**Post date:** [November 5, 2023, 9:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-polls-only-thread-part-1/972380/7878 "2023-11-05T21:23:03Z")

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Writing in a public book to make it more to your preference is vandalism. The book’s author and publisher decide its contents, not each individual reader. What if I think that every book should have chapter summaries? That could be helpful for some people, but that doesn’t justify writing my own summary at the start of each chapter. What if someone thinks that every book should have illustrations, so they add their own? Or that every book should refer to “God” using a euphemism, or should mention the fact that Jesus is our Savior somewhere? Admittedly, adding page numbers is minor compared to these extreme examples, but it’s a step on a slippery slope, and it is wrong.

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**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\
**Post date:** [November 5, 2023, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-polls-only-thread-part-1/972380/7879 "2023-11-05T21:42:53Z")

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It’s a not-at-all-slippery slope that I, and the vast majority of library patrons, would never go down.

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**Author:** ![Maserschmidt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/maserschmidt/32/18829_2.png) [@Maserschmidt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maserschmidt)\
**Post date:** [November 5, 2023, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-polls-only-thread-part-1/972380/7880 "2023-11-05T21:53:18Z")

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I said yes, that it was OK to write in a library book, because one time I had a book out that someone had damaged, so I wrote in the missing text after looking it up.

Otherwise, of course, it’s a heinous crime.

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**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\
**Post date:** [November 5, 2023, 9:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-polls-only-thread-part-1/972380/7881 "2023-11-05T21:57:38Z")

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I was gonna say it is perfectly okay to write you name in the little check out card in library books, but then I remembered that was eons ago, 🤪 😮

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**Author:** ![Mean\_Mr.Mustard](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mean_mr.mustard/32/3865_2.png) [@Mean\_Mr.Mustard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mean_Mr.Mustard)\
**Post date:** [November 5, 2023, 10:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-polls-only-thread-part-1/972380/7882 "2023-11-05T22:06:16Z")

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> [@markn\_1](#):
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> The book’s author and publisher decide its contents, not each individual reader…What if someone thinks that every book should have illustrations, so they add their own? Or that every book should refer to “God” using a euphemism, or should mention the fact that Jesus is our Savior somewhere?..

…or if the library stamped it with their name and put little stickers on it?

FWIW I never knew this was a thing (writing in page numbers, that is)

mmm

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**Author:** ![markn\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@markn\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/markn_1)\
**Post date:** [November 5, 2023, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-polls-only-thread-part-1/972380/7883 "2023-11-05T22:11:30Z")

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Stamping the libraries name on the inside cover or title page is different than defacing every page of a book, especially a graphic novel which is a work of visual art and not just text.

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