# Discussion thread for the "Polls only" thread (Part 2) **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [February 16, 2024, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-polls-only-thread-part-2/997636 "2024-02-16T02:56:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 22
**Author:** ![WildaBeast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wildabeast/32/6_2.png) [@WildaBeast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WildaBeast)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2024, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-polls-only-thread-part-2/997636/421 "2024-03-12T17:57:38Z")
For those of you saying “It depends on the protein” for the protein and mayo based salad poll, just answer for whichever one you make most often. I was originally going to make the poll “What do you put in tuna salad?”, because that’s the only one I really make, but then I figured I was going to get a bunch of people saying “But I don’t make tuna salad; I only make chicken salad/egg salad/shrimp salad/whatever.” So I figured I would open up the poll to whatever type of salad you like to make. BTW, I like to put mayo, celery, red onion, a pinch of salt, and some fresh cracked pepper in my tuna salad, so that’s how I answered my own poll. But sometimes if I’m feeling lazy and don’t want to dice the celery and onion I’ll just mix in some mayo and relish, like someone else said previously. ---
**Author:** ![Thudlow\_Boink](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thudlow_boink/32/320_2.png) [@Thudlow\_Boink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thudlow_Boink)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2024, 6:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-polls-only-thread-part-2/997636/422 "2024-03-12T18:22:18Z")
I think of “incels” pretty much the way [Merriam-Webster](https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/incel) defines the term: > [@](#): > > a person (usually a man) who regards himself or herself as being involuntarily [celibate](https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/celibate#h1) and typically expresses extreme resentment and hostility toward those who are sexually active So, neither of the two poll responses quite fits; it’s somewhere in between, or a combination of both. (Spoilered so as not to bias people who haven’t yet seen @Karen_Lingel’s latest poll.) ---
**Author:** ![ParallelLines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/parallellines/32/3575_2.png) [@ParallelLines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ParallelLines)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2024, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-polls-only-thread-part-2/997636/423 "2024-03-12T18:24:18Z")
I mostly agree with @Thudlow_Boink - anyone using the word “incel” in a non-ironic/mocking manner is almost always describing a specific social group defined by misplaced rage and blame, rather than the scenarios in the poll, which might accurately be described as “involuntary celibates” but are (for the most part) probably _not_ a part of “incel culture”. ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Borgia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/larry_borgia/32/156_2.png) [@Larry\_Borgia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Borgia)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2024, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-polls-only-thread-part-2/997636/424 "2024-03-12T18:28:05Z")
Unless you have one of the many many jobs where that’s not an option. In addition to school work, there’s shift work, airline workers, etc. Also movie showtimes, restaurant hours and doctors appointments. I don’t particularly like the time shifts, but they don’t really bother me. One day of mild jet lag and I’m fine. I like more daylight and I get that parents don’t want to send their kids to school in the dark. ---
**Author:** ![carrps](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carrps/32/2957_2.png) [@carrps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carrps)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2024, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-polls-only-thread-part-2/997636/425 "2024-03-12T19:00:57Z")
> [@kayaker](#): > > If I order 8 chicken wings, I expect to get 8 complete wings. If the place lists it as “8 pieces”, then I expect 4 flats and 4 drums. IME the places selling complete wings are serving a superior product. If I ever order “wings” at a restaurant, I’ve always been served the “pieces.” I actually prefer that to complete wings, because I almost exclusively order them as an appetizer. Since they’re finger food, it’s a lot easier to eat them when they’ve already been separated for you. Time change would affect my sleep for about a week or so after the change when I was working. Now that I’m retired, I don’t live by the clock, so it has almost no effect on me. None of those so-called incel characterizations matched what I think of as incels. Did not answer. ---
**Author:** ![Die\_Capacitrix](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/die_capacitrix/32/9_2.png) [@Die\_Capacitrix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Die_Capacitrix)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2024, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-polls-only-thread-part-2/997636/426 "2024-03-12T19:10:12Z")
> [@Procrustus](#): > > It is helpful in the Seattle area, but really just in the spring and fall. Here in Switzerland I’m at a similar latitude, and I agree. The main pain is now, because the U.S. changed to DST, and we’re still on standard time. So for two weeks I have to resort to Google to figure out what time it is in the PNW, because it’s something other than 9 hours’ difference. Regarding tuna salad, I only make tuna melts. But not just any, I make [Italian American Tuna Melts](https://www.foodnetwork.com/recipes/rachael-ray/italian-american-style-tuna-melts-recipe-1948389#:~:text=In%20a%20large%20bowl%2C%20combine,salad%20and%20top%20with%20cheese.), but without the celery. I’ve never made egg, shrimp or chicken salad. ---
**Author:** ![thorny\_locust](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thorny_locust/32/431_2.png) [@thorny\_locust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thorny_locust)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2024, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-polls-only-thread-part-2/997636/427 "2024-03-12T19:16:35Z")
My natural system appears to want to go to bed around two or three in the morning and get up around nine or ten. Or possibly to gradually work its way later and later around the clock, eventually winding up where I started – I’ve never been able to let it go long enough to find out before I have to haul myself at least partially back into concordance with the sun and/or with other people. But mornings are, basically, a continuing battle. Morning sun through my east bedroom window does help a great deal. It’s very hard to get up in the dark. And at my latitude, the timing of the current spring change yanks the dark mornings back later just as sunrise was naturally getting around to a reasonable time; and DST means that dark mornings return sooner than they otherwise would have; and by the time we go back to standard time on the current schedule, it’s too late to help; by then it’s dark in the morning anyway. If the time change is made during a week or two when I don’t have to coordinate with others except maybe in the afternoons, it doesn’t bother me much aside from the clock not matching the sunlight; most of my work is at home and much more influenced by the sun than by the clock. But today, only two days after the change, I had to go to a morning meeting in a town some distance away – and, instead of feeling like I got up at 5:30 on a day when I’d otherwise have gotten up around 7, I feel like I got up at 4:30. I had to lie down and take a nap when I got back home, and I’m still pretty groggy. I’m losing chunks of this day, not only to the meeting and the drive, but to the sleep disruption. (well, yes, and also to typing all this.) > [@Procrustus](#): > > In mid winter it’s dark all the time no matter how you set the clocks, and in summer, it’s light all the time. We don’t need an extra hour of daylight in the evening in July, it just makes it harder to get to sleep. Here also. It’s disruptive when it changes, it screws up the morning light for a while after the spring and before the fall change, and for most of the year it doesn’t help anything much. It does help the evenings some right after and right before the changes, but that’s not enough to counter the damages. I don’t know whether those characters for the incel movie are supposed to be the incel(s), or are supposed to be people abused by the incels. And whether I’d want to see them in a movie would depend a whole lot on whether they were depicted as stereotypes. And I’m not at all likely to go see a movie about incels, anyway. Didn’t vote. As I understand it, the term “incel” started off meaning everybody and anybody who wasn’t having sex with anyone else and who wanted to, and was at the beginning innocuous; but the word became co-opted by a group of people, nearly all male, who decided that this was all the fault of women, that women are Mean Nasty and Evil for not wanting to have sex with them (usually, IMO, because who wants to have sex with somebody who thinks they’re Mean/Nasty/Evil?\*); and, in at least some cases, think that women ought to be forced to have sex with them. Women who they think are sexy, that is. [\*ETA: well, rapists do, I suppose.] ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2024, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-polls-only-thread-part-2/997636/428 "2024-03-12T19:25:22Z")
> [@carrps](#): > > If I ever order “wings” at a restaurant, I’ve always been served the “pieces.” I actually prefer that to complete wings, Are they described by the menu as pieces? I prefer entire wings, party because I can give the “tips” to our bird. Any place I see “wings” for sale, they’re entire wings. At pizza places they are listed as 6, 8, or 12 “pieces”. Then there are places that sell “boneless” wings which are weird. I assume they’re chicken McNuggets? Never ordered them. ---
**Author:** ![carrps](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carrps/32/2957_2.png) [@carrps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carrps)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2024, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-polls-only-thread-part-2/997636/429 "2024-03-12T19:35:46Z")
I’ve never ever seen them described as “pieces” on any menu. The number of “pieces” I typically get with an order are enough for me. The only time I specifically remembered saving food from restaurants for an animal was saving pizza “bones” (crusts) for my friend’s African Grey. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2024, 7:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-polls-only-thread-part-2/997636/430 "2024-03-12T19:39:32Z")
> [@carrps](#): > > None of those so-called incel characterizations matched what I think of as incels. Did not answer. Ditto. ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2024, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-polls-only-thread-part-2/997636/431 "2024-03-12T19:42:54Z")
> [@kayaker](#): > > I prefer entire wings, party because I can give the “tips” to our bird. I prefer them, too, because i like to eat them. I get really annoyed when i buy a “whole” chicken and someone has helpfully cut off the wing tips and the tail. ---
**Author:** ![carrps](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carrps/32/2957_2.png) [@carrps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carrps)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2024, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-polls-only-thread-part-2/997636/432 "2024-03-12T19:44:38Z")
Heh, I used to love eating the tail when I was a kid. Now, it’s much too fatty for me. ---
**Author:** ![thorny\_locust](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thorny_locust/32/431_2.png) [@thorny\_locust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thorny_locust)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2024, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-polls-only-thread-part-2/997636/433 "2024-03-12T19:51:06Z")
> [@puzzlegal](#): > > I get really annoyed when i buy a “whole” chicken and someone has helpfully cut off the wing tips and the tail. I got annoyed when they stopped coming with chicken livers. Which was quite a long time ago. [ETA: the ones I get from a neighboring farmer do come with livers and gizzards, if you make it clear that you want them. Usually they’ll ask.] ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2024, 9:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-polls-only-thread-part-2/997636/434 "2024-03-12T21:04:23Z")
> [@carrps](#): > > saving pizza “bones” (crusts) for my friend’s African Grey. Our Grey is spoiled rotten. He won’t touch pizza crusts, he drops them for the dogs who snarf them up. Rocco will eat pizza, but there has to be cheese and sauce. > [@thorny\_locust](#): > > I got annoyed when they stopped coming with chicken livers. When I get a chicken from our neighbor’s farm market it comes with the liver/gizzard/neck. Sometimes there are multiples as some people specifically don’t want them! ---
**Author:** ![carrps](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carrps/32/2957_2.png) [@carrps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carrps)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2024, 9:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-polls-only-thread-part-2/997636/435 "2024-03-12T21:11:03Z")
> [@kayaker](#): > > Our Grey is spoiled rotten. He won’t touch pizza crusts, he drops them for the dogs who snarf them up. Rocco will eat pizza, but there has to be cheese and sauce. Even parrots have variable tastes! Theirs loved the crusts but wouldn’t eat any other part of the pizza. ---
**Author:** ![Maserschmidt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/maserschmidt/32/18829_2.png) [@Maserschmidt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Maserschmidt)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2024, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-polls-only-thread-part-2/997636/436 "2024-03-12T21:35:02Z")
An excellent and timely (heh) article yesterday in Scientific American. > **[People Hate Daylight Saving. Science Tells Us Why.](https://undark.org/2024/03/11/time-zones-daylight-saving/)** > > Something is awry about the way we mark time. Can research and policy changes help us reset the clocks? ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2024, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-polls-only-thread-part-2/997636/437 "2024-03-12T21:40:10Z")
> [@thorny\_locust](#): > > I don’t know whether those characters for the incel movie are **supposed to be the incel(s),** or are supposed to be people abused by the incels. They are the incels. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2024, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-polls-only-thread-part-2/997636/438 "2024-03-12T21:47:08Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > They are the incels. And there are people who would enjoy seeing a movie about them? Wow. ---
**Author:** ![Mollie\_Magill](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mollie_magill/32/20882_2.png) [@Mollie\_Magill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mollie_Magill)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2024, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-polls-only-thread-part-2/997636/439 "2024-03-12T22:41:17Z")
> [@Die\_Capacitrix](#): > > The main pain is now, because the U.S. changed to DST, and we’re still on standard time. So for two weeks I have to resort to Google to figure out what time it is in the PNW, because it’s something other than 9 hours’ difference. I wish we would go back to changing time earlier in October and later in March. The time change wasn’t so jarring closer to.the equinoxes. ---
**Author:** ![thorny\_locust](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thorny_locust/32/431_2.png) [@thorny\_locust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thorny_locust)\ **Post date:** [March 12, 2024, 11:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-polls-only-thread-part-2/997636/440 "2024-03-12T23:27:52Z")
> [@kayaker](#): > > > [@Velocity](#): > > > > They are the incels. > > And there are people who would enjoy seeing a movie about them? Wow. Probably incels would, at least if the movie was sympathetic to them. Maybe some other people would, if the movie were sufficiently unsympathetic to the incels. I’m not interested in either version. Or maybe @Velocity’s using the original meaning of the word? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-polls-only-thread-part-2/997636.md?page=21) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-polls-only-thread-part-2/997636.md?page=23)