# Discussion thread for the "Polls only" thread (Part 2)

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-polls-only-thread-part-2/997636>\
**Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\
**Created:** [February 16, 2024, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-polls-only-thread-part-2/997636 "2024-02-16T02:56:30Z")\
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**Author:** ![suranyi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e36b37/32.png) [@suranyi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/suranyi)\
**Post date:** [November 26, 2024, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-polls-only-thread-part-2/997636/4602 "2024-11-26T21:26:07Z")

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When my wife was pregnant we went to a lawyer recommended by a friend and drew up all the standard estate documents.

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**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\
**Post date:** [November 26, 2024, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-polls-only-thread-part-2/997636/4603 "2024-11-26T21:39:34Z")

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We have an updated will but need to do a medical directive.

I’m retired so I get every day off. When I worked we were open 24/7/365. The opportunity to take off was by seniority. Near the beginning of the year each person had an opportunity to put in for blocks of time off. Some positions didn’t have a minimum staffing requirement so if you were in those positions you could take off. You still had to use your vacation days.

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**Author:** ![ParallelLines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/parallellines/32/3575_2.png) [@ParallelLines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ParallelLines)\
**Post date:** [November 26, 2024, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-polls-only-thread-part-2/997636/4604 "2024-11-26T21:42:09Z")

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> [@puzzlegal](#):
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> I’m not a movie maker, but i care about art. And if I’m doing this at all i want to like the movie i worked on. What’s the right ending for that particular movie?

Which is totally fine. But I tend to assume that once you leave out the dramatic and artistic elements of being a director, it’s actually a ton of _work_. And since it’s not something I’m personally interested in… I wanna get paid. 🙂

Which is not to say either of us is wrong. Just different priorities. We’ve had quite a few other polls along that line, at which point you sold out a work for various degrees of financial renumeration vs. accurate adaptation for one. Or for critical fame vs commercial success.

Granted, this particular poll gave us a lot less to work with than the prior options.

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**Author:** ![Reeses\_Monkey](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/reeses_monkey/32/2885_2.png) [@Reeses\_Monkey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Reeses_Monkey)\
**Post date:** [November 26, 2024, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-polls-only-thread-part-2/997636/4605 "2024-11-26T21:46:28Z")

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I’m a medical courier so I work when I’m called. I volunteered to be available on Friday but it’s no different than any other day to me.

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**Author:** ![thorny\_locust](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thorny_locust/32/431_2.png) [@thorny\_locust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thorny_locust)\
**Post date:** [November 26, 2024, 11:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-polls-only-thread-part-2/997636/4606 "2024-11-26T23:28:29Z")

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“Liar” and “fire” have the same number of syllables: halfway between one and two.

ETA: I’m going to give the movie whichever ending I like better. I can’t say which that is without knowing the rest of the movie.

ETA again: The “r” in “firing” attaches to “ring”, not to “fi”. So it doesn’t have that weird r-after-an-i half syllable.

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**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\
**Post date:** [November 27, 2024, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-polls-only-thread-part-2/997636/4607 "2024-11-27T00:33:14Z")

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Of course, it’s Sloppy Joe and not Sloppy joe. Just like it’s not “Baked alaska,”

(and now I’m hungry)

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**Author:** ![WildaBeast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wildabeast/32/6_2.png) [@WildaBeast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WildaBeast)\
**Post date:** [November 27, 2024, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-polls-only-thread-part-2/997636/4608 "2024-11-27T00:50:45Z")

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I’m not sure that’s quite the same. “Baked Alaska” is obviously referencing the state of Alaska, so it should be capitalized. “Sloppy Joe/joe” isn’t referencing a specific person named Joe (as far as I know) so I feel like it doesn’t really need to be capitalized in spite of the fact that my spell checker is claiming it’s misspelled. I supposed if someone were to name a dish after the 46th President and called it a “sloppy Joe Biden”, then it would need to be capitalized.

And of course it’s “sloppy joe”, not “Sloppy joe”, unless it’s at the beginning of a sentence.

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**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\
**Post date:** [November 27, 2024, 12:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-polls-only-thread-part-2/997636/4609 "2024-11-27T00:52:05Z")

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> [@WildaBeast](#):
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> And of course it’s “sloppy joe”, not “Sloppy joe”, unless it’s at the beginning of a sentence.

I’ll grant you “sloppy” but I’m sticking to “Joe.”

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**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\
**Post date:** [November 27, 2024, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-polls-only-thread-part-2/997636/4610 "2024-11-27T00:53:58Z")

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> [@thorny\_locust](#):
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> “Liar” and “fire” have the same number of syllables: halfway between one and two.

Yep. I concur. You can slur either for one, and emphasize to make it two.

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**Author:** ![Procrustus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/procrustus/32/2994_2.png) [@Procrustus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Procrustus)\
**Post date:** [November 27, 2024, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-polls-only-thread-part-2/997636/4611 "2024-11-27T00:56:08Z")

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> [@DrDeth](#):
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> You can slur either for one, and emphasize to make it two.

I assumed the question was for proper pronunciation, not slurring the words. “How many syllables?” loses its meaning if we allow slurring

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**Author:** ![thorny\_locust](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thorny_locust/32/431_2.png) [@thorny\_locust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thorny_locust)\
**Post date:** [November 27, 2024, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-polls-only-thread-part-2/997636/4612 "2024-11-27T00:58:18Z")

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I’'m hearing “only to wake her”.

And it’s “Sloppy Joe”, both of them capitalized. But “a cup of joe” (coffee) doesn’t need to be capitalized. I appear to be inconsistent on this one.

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**Author:** ![dirtball](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dirtball/32/18772_2.png) [@dirtball](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dirtball)\
**Post date:** [November 27, 2024, 1:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-polls-only-thread-part-2/997636/4613 "2024-11-27T01:02:28Z")

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Merriam-Webster goes with “[sloppy joe](https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/sloppy%20joe),” for what it’s worth. That’s good enough for me.

They also note that it’s “often capitalized” when it refers to a loose-fitting sweater, and I’ll admit that’s a usage I hadn’t run across before. But then again, no one has ever accused me of being a fashion maven.

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**Author:** ![Dr.Drake](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ad7895/32.png) [@Dr.Drake](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dr.Drake)\
**Post date:** [November 27, 2024, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-polls-only-thread-part-2/997636/4614 "2024-11-27T01:22:20Z")

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Hire / higher:

In isolation, they’re the same or pretty close.

“Hire and fire” becomes “High ran fire,” though, while vs “higher and higher” is still “hire and hire.” (in other words, the R of “hire” bleeds into the next word if that word starts with a vowel, but the “-er” of “higher” never does).

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**Author:** ![WildaBeast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wildabeast/32/6_2.png) [@WildaBeast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WildaBeast)\
**Post date:** [November 27, 2024, 1:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-polls-only-thread-part-2/997636/4615 "2024-11-27T01:34:42Z")

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Wikipedia also uses all lower case.

> **[Sloppy joe](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sloppy_joe)**
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> A sloppy joe is a sandwich consisting of ground beef, onions, tomato sauce or ketchup, Worcestershire sauce, and other seasonings served on a hamburger bun. There are several theories about the sandwich's origin.
> Early and mid-20th century American cookbooks offer plenty of sloppy joe-type recipes, though they go by different names: Toasted Deviled Hamburgers, Chopped Meat Sandwiches, Spanish Hamburgers, Hamburg a la Creole, Beef Mironton, and Minced Beef Spanish Style.
> One theory of the sandwi...

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**Post date:** [November 27, 2024, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-polls-only-thread-part-2/997636/4616 "2024-11-27T02:05:12Z")

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I get annoyed when filmmakers give me a happy _or_ unhappy ending (or event, like killing off a character) when it feels like it’s contrived to manipulate me into feeling a certain way and not because it’s an integral part of the story. But unhappy is worse, because you’re trying to manipulate people into feeling bad.

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**Author:** ![carrps](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carrps/32/2957_2.png) [@carrps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carrps)\
**Post date:** [November 27, 2024, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-polls-only-thread-part-2/997636/4617 "2024-11-27T02:36:51Z")

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I don’t have a will, but all my main sources of money have at least one (and most have two) beneficiaries. My sister and I own our townhouse as Joint Tenants in Common, so that’s a wash. There’s not a lot I need a will for.

I do have a lot of art and antique/vintage pieces that are worth some money. It might be worth my time to identify those with their current value, so they’re not tossed with things like my old clothes.

Some of my favorite movies have unhappy endings, so I don’t think @ParallelLines will be making any money from me. Oh, and I find contrived _happy endings_ worse than unhappy ones. How they make me feel is based on the artistry of the movie. If I feel that it’s contrived, I’ll probably hate whichever way the director goes. Didn’t vote btw.

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**Author:** ![squeegee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/squeegee/32/14537_2.png) [@squeegee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/squeegee)\
**Post date:** [November 27, 2024, 3:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-polls-only-thread-part-2/997636/4618 "2024-11-27T03:47:03Z")

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All of my big money buckets have a beneficiary - my 25yo son. But I still think I should have a will to make it clear he inherits.

I’ve got an advance directive that names him as decider what happens to me, and made it clear to him that he should let me go if there’s no hope, and inherit with my blessing.

Both of these still have stuff to do - signatures and witnesses, but it’s clear to everyone what I want to happen. I just need to get my shit together and sign and witness everything. Soon.

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**Author:** ![Zyada](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zyada/32/3028_2.png) [@Zyada](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zyada)\
**Post date:** [November 27, 2024, 4:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-polls-only-thread-part-2/997636/4619 "2024-11-27T04:14:06Z")

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I work for a company that works for a company that contracts to a 3rd organization. The final organization is off Friday. If I worked for the middle company I would be required to use a floating holiday. I haven’t actually looked at what I will need to do, but it’s probably a floating holiday.

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**Author:** ![thorny\_locust](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thorny_locust/32/431_2.png) [@thorny\_locust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thorny_locust)\
**Post date:** [November 27, 2024, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-polls-only-thread-part-2/997636/4620 "2024-11-27T14:02:15Z")

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I think that’s one of the things my phone doesn’t do. It’s possible that it’s just a buried setting that I haven’t tripped across yet; but aside from the miniscule size of the screen it’s legible enough as it is, so I’m not going to go hunting for such a setting.

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**Author:** ![Bayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bayaker/32/3454_2.png) [@Bayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bayaker)\
**Post date:** [November 27, 2024, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-polls-only-thread-part-2/997636/4621 "2024-11-27T15:45:16Z")

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> [@thorny\_locust](#):
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> …I’m not going to go hunting for such a setting.

Same here.

> [@Zyada](#):
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> Like iron (unless you’re Texan, in which they’re both on syllable: arn and fahr)

They are both one syllable for me, and I said them that way long before I moved to Texas. But the vowel is drawn out a bit more - something more like _aahrn_ and _faahr_.

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