# Discussion thread for the "Polls only" thread (Part 2) **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [February 16, 2024, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-polls-only-thread-part-2/997636 "2024-02-16T02:56:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 89
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2024, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-polls-only-thread-part-2/997636/1762 "2024-06-14T18:32:05Z")
Not in the United States. You are required to _identify_ yourself, but no place are you required to “show your papers” unless you are operating a motor vehicle on public roads or other such restricted behavior. > **[Hiibel v. Sixth Judicial District Court of Nevada](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hiibel_v._Sixth_Judicial_District_Court_of_Nevada)** > > Hiibel v. Sixth Judicial District Court of Nevada, 542 U.S. 177 (2004), is a United States Supreme Court case in which the Court held that a statute requiring suspects to disclose their names during a valid Terry stop does not violate the Fourth Amendment if the statute first requires reasonable suspicion of criminal involvement, and does not violate the Fifth Amendment if there is no allegation that their names could have caused an incrimination. > Under the rubric of Terry v. Ohio, 392 U.S. 1 ... The Nevada Supreme Court interpreted “identify” under the state’s law to mean merely stating one’s name. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2024, 6:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-polls-only-thread-part-2/997636/1763 "2024-06-14T18:36:15Z")
As to underwear, I wear either Duluth or Smartwool. Duluths Armachillo underwear is my go to fave. Try some. ---
**Author:** ![Wheelz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wheelz/32/5718_2.png) [@Wheelz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wheelz)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2024, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-polls-only-thread-part-2/997636/1764 "2024-06-14T18:38:53Z")
I’ve got a drawerful of briefs of various branding. Most are Hanes and Calvin Klein, but there are a couple others mixed in there. I don’t notice a difference in any of them, so I have no brand loyalty. ---
**Author:** ![DCnDC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dcndc/32/2842_2.png) [@DCnDC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DCnDC)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2024, 10:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-polls-only-thread-part-2/997636/1765 "2024-06-14T22:54:46Z")
Physical beauty is fleeting, and a bad personality can negate any amount of physical attractiveness. And when that inevitably happens, you’re just stuck with some beautiful jerk. ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2024, 10:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-polls-only-thread-part-2/997636/1766 "2024-06-14T22:56:34Z")
100% I’d rather be married to a good person than an attractive one. No contest. ---
**Author:** ![ParallelLines](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/parallellines/32/3575_2.png) [@ParallelLines](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ParallelLines)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2024, 11:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-polls-only-thread-part-2/997636/1767 "2024-06-14T23:29:39Z")
Do we not have board members who have spouses who have gone down the MAGA hole? Yeah, that would be nigh intolerable. So yes, I’d take the intellectual over the physical all the time. ---
**Author:** ![Velocity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/velocity/32/18006_2.png) [@Velocity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Velocity)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2024, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-polls-only-thread-part-2/997636/1768 "2024-06-14T23:36:19Z")
I should elaborate a bit more on the poll: The ideal situation, of course, would be to marry someone who is attractive on both the inside and outside. However, growing up, I’d always heard that if forced to choose, it’s better to go with what’s on the inside, if you could only have one of the two. Problem is, I’ve known of many instances of people who married someone they felt no spark for, and thought ugly or unappealing, but knew had good morals on the inside, and the result was a stable but lifeless, dreary marriage that increasingly led to greater and greater resentment - sometimes leading to extramarital affairs. So it seems to me that marrying someone who is externally hot but internally bad is a recipe for a quick relationship death, while marrying someone internally good but externally unappealing can lead to a slower, quieter relationship death. ---
**Author:** ![carrps](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carrps/32/2957_2.png) [@carrps](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/carrps)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2024, 12:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-polls-only-thread-part-2/997636/1769 "2024-06-15T00:12:07Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > I’ve known of many instances of people who married someone they felt no spark for, and thought ugly or unappealing, but knew had good morals on the inside, and the result was a stable but lifeless, dreary marriage that increasingly led to greater and greater resentment - sometimes leading to extramarital affairs. Good morals do not necessarily equate to good person. ---
**Author:** ![Fear\_Itself](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fear_itself/32/19637_2.png) [@Fear\_Itself](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fear_Itself)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2024, 12:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-polls-only-thread-part-2/997636/1770 "2024-06-15T00:26:51Z")
If people were such good judges of character, the divorce rate wouldn’t be so high. ---
**Author:** ![thorny\_locust](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/thorny_locust/32/431_2.png) [@thorny\_locust](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/thorny_locust)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2024, 12:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-polls-only-thread-part-2/997636/1771 "2024-06-15T00:52:15Z")
> [@Velocity](#): > > So it seems to me that marrying someone who is externally hot but internally bad is a recipe for a quick relationship death, while marrying someone internally good but externally unappealing can lead to a slower, quieter relationship death. Ideally, of course, one marries someone who’s appealing to the particular partner in both senses; though for other kinds of housemates appearance isn’t, or shouldn’t be, even an issue. In my case physical attraction turns right off like a light switch if the person says or does something I find nasty enough. So even if they were objectively beautiful (if there is such a thing as objectively beautiful), I wouldn’t stay attracted to the unpleasant person anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2024, 2:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-polls-only-thread-part-2/997636/1772 "2024-06-15T02:19:07Z")
I was not initially attracted to my husband when I first met him. He was a very nice guy and more conventionally attractive than I am, but we were several months into a friendship when I thought to myself, “Huh. He has nice eyes.” But I still didn’t consider that attraction. Even after we became best friends and wanted to be together, I still hesitated because I didn’t know if I was physically attracted to him. 41 year old me thinks 19 year old me must have had a head injury, because I’m married to a very attractive man, and that became more apparent to me the more I got to know him. When I have an emotional connection with a man who is unbelievably good and kind and intelligent and funny, I become attracted to him, and I stay that way. And we have great physical chemistry too, which is not something you necessarily know based on someone’s attractiveness. It wasn’t until I gave him a chance that we made that physical connection and it is really strong. When I look back at my adolescence and early adulthood, at all the guys I had a crush on or dated, they were guys all over the spectrum of conventional attractiveness. Some I was attracted to immediately and others I developed feelings for as I got to know them. One funny story, though… In high school I had an enormous crush on a guy for years, hardly said two words to him, the most interaction we ever had was me absolutely pwning him at air hockey, and that sustained me for days. After I met my husband and had been dating him a while, we attended a hometown play where we ran into this guy. And as we all shook hands, it became obvious to everyone present that… they looked exactly like one another. And I had no idea until that moment. Wish that story ended there, but I later connected with former crush over Facebook, and discovered he was the worst kind of benevolent sexist transphobic asshole and as I blocked him all I felt was gratitude that I got to have my innocent crush as a girl without knowing the truth about him. And obviously I picked the right one. ---
**Author:** ![Wheelz](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wheelz/32/5718_2.png) [@Wheelz](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wheelz)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2024, 5:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-polls-only-thread-part-2/997636/1773 "2024-06-15T05:26:30Z")
It is very possible to have an intense, satisfying physical relationship with someone who doesn’t fit the conventional definition of hotness. IME what you see with your eyes is a relatively small part of attraction. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2024, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-polls-only-thread-part-2/997636/1774 "2024-06-15T15:45:32Z")
> [@kayaker](#): > > > [@Maserschmidt](#): > > > > I was warned so many times about this, I think the ticket was $60 > > How do tickets for non-driving infractions work? I jaywalk. If a cop approached me and asked for ID, I’d tell him I don’t have any; indeed I’m not required to carry any on me, as I’m not driving a vehicle. You don’t have to have ID on you when you are walking around. If a cop starts talking to you randomly you don’t have to talk to them to include giving your name. If the cop is investigating a crime or violation you have to state your identifying information but you don’t have to have an ID (unless driving). If you refuse to identify yourself especially when you are the violator you can be charged with a crime which may be more serious than the initial violation. Usually some form of obstruction of justice. If you are suspected of a violation and give a false name you can be charged with a crime which may be more serious than the initial violation. Usually some form of hindering prosecution. The exact laws do vary quite a bit from state to state. ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2024, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-polls-only-thread-part-2/997636/1775 "2024-06-15T15:59:19Z")
In my Buddhist sangha we have an abbot who does the teachings. It’s “Venerable Lastname” as far as I can tell (his Sangha name is Korean) but I’ve heard others refer to him informally by his first name. I’ve only been attending a few months so I don’t know him super well. I had an email exchange with him. I expect to know him better as I am there longer. He’s definitely down to earth, the kind of person you could shoot the breeze with rather than someone who sets himself apart from others. In fact all of the clergy are volunteer clergy who work full time jobs. They really are just one of us and don’t make any pretense about it. ---
**Author:** ![colinfred](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colinfred/32/21338_2.png) [@colinfred](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/colinfred)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2024, 4:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-polls-only-thread-part-2/997636/1776 "2024-06-15T16:51:23Z")
Everyone round here speaks like a yokel. 30 minutes on the motorway I could get to a city with a more cut-glass accent. ---
**Author:** ![Loach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/loach/32/350_2.png) [@Loach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loach)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2024, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-polls-only-thread-part-2/997636/1777 "2024-06-15T17:12:44Z")
I made the poll because I’ve been traveling daily to see my wife who is doing physical therapy about 30-40 minutes away. Everyone there has a strong Philly/Delco accent. Growing up it took us about 30 minutes to see my cousins who had incredibly strong stereotypical Staten Island accents. We could have grown up on different planets. This video shows the differences in accent in New Jersey over a relatively short distance. The funny thing is as someone who grew up right in the middle of the two regions he talks about, me and everyone I knew speaks more like the video host and the guy he live interviews than the examples he gives. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/pOG7HYf81cw/hqdefault.jpg "The reality of New Jersey accents and dialect boundaries") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOG7HYf81cw) ---
**Author:** ![markn\_1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f9ae1b/32.png) [@markn\_1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/markn_1)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2024, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-polls-only-thread-part-2/997636/1778 "2024-06-15T18:06:32Z")
The whole western US has essentially the same accent. I’d have to drive for a LOT longer than 5 hours to hear a different accent. Depending on traffic, there are times when I couldn’t even get out of California in 5 hours. At the best of times, I’d barely be out of the state. ---
**Author:** ![WildaBeast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wildabeast/32/6_2.png) [@WildaBeast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WildaBeast)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2024, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-polls-only-thread-part-2/997636/1779 "2024-06-15T19:45:53Z")
Yeah, I can’t tell a difference in the accents of people from California, Nevada, Arizona, Oregon, or states farther away for that matter. Come to think of it Mexico is probably the closest place where I’d hear a noticeably different accent, if foreign countries even count. Not that it matters; Mexico is still over 5 hours away. I can’t even get to Los Angeles by car in 5 hours. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2024, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-polls-only-thread-part-2/997636/1780 "2024-06-15T19:49:20Z")
Less than a two hour drive would put me in Canada. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2024, 7:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-polls-only-thread-part-2/997636/1781 "2024-06-15T19:52:40Z")
If I walk 2 blocks to the local bodega I can hear Guadalaharan accents galore. Otherwise it’s 3 hours to Mexico or however long it takes to drive to Texas. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-polls-only-thread-part-2/997636.md?page=88) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discussion-thread-for-the-polls-only-thread-part-2/997636.md?page=90)