# Discworld Reading Club #14: Lords and Ladies **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [May 7, 2006, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discworld-reading-club-14-lords-and-ladies/355780 "2006-05-07T17:57:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 8\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [August 25, 2006, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discworld-reading-club-14-lords-and-ladies/355780/21 "2006-08-25T23:44:29Z")
[QUOTE=Kythereia] So I take it I should put up the next Discworld thread on Saturday morning, then? šŸ˜‰ [/QUOTE] Yes, please. ---
**Author:** ![Boulter\_s\_Canary](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e79b87/32.png) [@Boulter\_s\_Canary](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Boulter_s_Canary)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2006, 8:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discworld-reading-club-14-lords-and-ladies/355780/22 "2006-08-26T08:58:44Z")
[QUOTE=silenus] PTerry has made many references to folk songs over the years. Over at alt.fan.pratchett it was a game to try and guess Pterryā€™s music collection based on what he put into his books. Steeleye Span must be well represented. šŸ˜ƒ [/QUOTE] Well, we know he likes Steve Earle - he called the highest mountain in Lancre Copperhead just so that he could have a Copperhead Road somewhere on the Disc. šŸ†’ ---
**Author:** ![constanze](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f9ae1b/32.png) [@constanze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/constanze)\ **Post date:** [August 26, 2006, 11:17am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discworld-reading-club-14-lords-and-ladies/355780/23 "2006-08-26T11:17:28Z")
Re: References to Folk Songs etc.: Iā€™ve always found the Annotated Pratchett File [http://www.co.uk.lspace.org/books/apf/lords-and-ladies.html](http://www.co.uk.lspace.org/books/apf/lords-and-ladies.html) very helpful to understand all those culture-specific references. The only downside is the slow updating. Via the L-web, thereā€™s also the Discworld Wiki, with newer information. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2006, 3:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discworld-reading-club-14-lords-and-ladies/355780/24 "2006-08-27T03:06:25Z")
[QUOTE=Kythereia] So I take it I should put up the next Discworld thread on Saturday morning, then? šŸ˜‰ [/QUOTE] Weā€™re _waaaiiiiiting_ā€¦ šŸ˜ƒ ---
**Author:** ![Kythereia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e8c25b/32.png) [@Kythereia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kythereia)\ **Post date:** [August 27, 2006, 4:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discworld-reading-club-14-lords-and-ladies/355780/25 "2006-08-27T04:06:07Z")
[QUOTE=silenus] Weā€™re _waaaiiiiiting_ā€¦ šŸ˜ƒ [/QUOTE] Iā€™m typing the post right now, feck off. šŸ˜ƒ ---
**Author:** ![Illuminatiprimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/illuminatiprimus/32/11520_2.png) [@Illuminatiprimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Illuminatiprimus)\ **Post date:** [December 25, 2006, 9:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discworld-reading-club-14-lords-and-ladies/355780/26 "2006-12-25T21:46:56Z")
Wow - nearly synched with realtime now. L&L is my favourite discworld novel. It has so much in it to make it interesting and a bit different, but at the same time more of what youā€™ve come to love from the series. The elves were really quite inspired and I remember reading and rereading the bits describing them as completely cruel and without pity and just lapping it up (hey, I was 14, that kind of stuff appeals at that age!). I wish TP had just left the elves at that rather than do the half-arsed rehash of them in the wee Free Men because the queen sucked big time in that. Still, I loved watching Granny strip apart that upstart witch and showing her what real power was - go Granny go! Iā€™m also in the camp that will always think of the witches as being Granny, Nanny and Magrat. Anges/Perdita and Tiffany can go swing for all I care (did anyone else read Wintersmith and think TP is getting really desperate now?). ---
**Author:** ![rjung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/45deac/32.png) [@rjung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rjung)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2006, 6:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discworld-reading-club-14-lords-and-ladies/355780/27 "2006-12-28T06:57:47Z")
[QUOTE=Illuminatiprimus] The elves were really quite inspired and I remember reading and rereading the bits describing them as completely cruel and without pity and just lapping it up [/quote] The parallels to cats were especially apt, IMO. Given that Terry is a big cat lover (he _did_ write _The Unadulterated Cat,_ after all), I imagine the comparison came easily to himā€¦ [QUOTE=Illuminatiprimus] I wish TP had just left the elves at that rather than do the half-arsed rehash of them in the wee Free Men because the queen sucked big time in that. [/quote] I wouldnā€™t say the Queen ā€œsuckedā€ in _WFM,_ but she was definitely downgraded. Then again, after the thumpinā€™ the Queen got from Granny, perhaps she wasnā€™t anywhere near her full strength ā€“ which would explain why she was targeting a ten-year-old girl on the Chalk instead of the witches of the Ramtopsā€¦ ---
**Author:** ![Small\_Clanger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9fc348/32.png) [@Small\_Clanger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Small_Clanger)\ **Post date:** [December 28, 2006, 1:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discworld-reading-club-14-lords-and-ladies/355780/28 "2006-12-28T13:40:19Z")
It looks like I didnā€™t post here last time round. One of my favourite Discworld books with Guards! Guards! and Hogfather. Some things that come to mind. Circle time, a whole bunch of crop circle gags. The rude mechanicals/folk dancers all with the wrong names (Weaver the thatcher, Carter the baker. . .) Magrat fights back - Only one queen in a hive - Slash! Stab! Cassunuda to the elf king - _Cor, you donā€™t half look like your picture_\* Granny borrows with bees. - the sort of thing you usually see on a privvy wall but in this case drawn on a hillside with twenty thousand tons of earth. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/discworld-reading-club-14-lords-and-ladies/355780.md?page=1)