# Disgraced Former President Trump **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 12, 2019, 9:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/disgraced-former-president-trump/831028 "2019-03-12T21:26:49Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![septimus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/septimus/32/410_2.png) [@septimus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/septimus)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2019, 10:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/disgraced-former-president-trump/831028/81 "2019-03-19T10:12:35Z")
> [@asahi](#): > > I’m going to be the bearer of bad news: unless there is a recession, Trump will be re-elected. Presidents aren’t un-elected unless the country is feeling bad about themselves… I hope progressives get this important message. Some take D victory in 2020 for granted and look at this election as an opportunity for something special: first woman, first socialist, whatever. Nope. This election can be lost easily if the wrong candidate is nominated. > [@BobLibDem](#): > > I think there is far too much pessimism. First of all, Hillary ran a terrible campaign. … The public didn’t like her, so they voted for the clown, thinking he would at least be entertaining. They had no idea what a personification of evil he would turn out to be. > > Now we know better. Democrats will not be apathetic in 2020… Unless we nominate Elizabeth Warren, we’re in good shape. What we can’t do is nominate someone that Republicans will paint with a hammer and sickle. Give me Biden-Harris, Booker-Gillibrand, whatever. Hillary was a heroine to many Ds. I don’t see Harris or Booker as clearly better than Hillary — just the opposite. _ **Especially if they are running against an incumbent with a strong economy.** _ I hope I’m wrong. I hope 20 months from now, D’s will sweep to power in a landslide and Dopers will be laughing at **asahi** and me. But I think the election will be close. In preparing for this critical election it’s better to be a little too pessimistic than too optimistic. ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2019, 4:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/disgraced-former-president-trump/831028/82 "2019-03-19T16:23:40Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > Hillary was a heroine to many Ds. Being a heroine to people that were always going to vote for you doesn’t move the polls much. Obama as an inspirational figure dragged a lot of people out to vote who otherwise might not have bothered. Hillary Clinton for the most part did not have the same impact and when she did it was very localized and therefore not that useful( like in CA ). Quite the contrary - manufactured outrage or not, she was a polarizing figure and energized some to vote against her who otherwise might not have bothered. Her particular set of baggage may not have been unique, but it was unusual. IMHO not even Warren would be as vulnerable to the Republican political machine as H. Clinton was. Maybe if Pelosi ran. But barring that I’m inclined to regard the Hillary campaign as the worst case scenario, not the standard. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2019, 10:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/disgraced-former-president-trump/831028/83 "2019-03-19T22:48:13Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > I hope progressives get this important message. Some take D victory in 2020 for granted and look at this election as an opportunity for something special: first woman, first socialist, whatever. Nope. This election can be lost easily if the wrong candidate is nominated. > > Hillary was a heroine to many Ds. I don’t see Harris or Booker as clearly better than Hillary — just the opposite. _ **Especially if they are running against an incumbent with a strong economy.** _ > > I hope I’m wrong. I hope 20 months from now, D’s will sweep to power in a landslide and Dopers will be laughing at **asahi** and me. But I think the election will be close. In preparing for this critical election it’s better to be a little too pessimistic than too optimistic. And we can’t rule out the possibility that Trump’s people may have (out of sight of the public) opened doors for the Kremlin to play a more active role in 2020—to the point of actually hacking the vote totals. So nothing should be taken for granted, numbers-wise. ---
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [March 19, 2019, 11:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/disgraced-former-president-trump/831028/84 "2019-03-19T23:11:12Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > A trump isn’t just somebody who shits in his pants. A trump is somebody who shits in his pants and then blames somebody else. A trump also comes into your house and shits on all your clean pants before you’ve worn them. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2019, 3:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/disgraced-former-president-trump/831028/85 "2019-03-20T03:48:11Z")
> [@Monty](#): > > We’re talking about Trump, right? You just know he believes his shit doesn’t smell. Not even that. All the reports are wrong; that’s not shit at all, it’s ice cream. ---
**Author:** ![Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/b487fb/32.png) [@Walken\_After\_Midnight](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Walken_After_Midnight)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2019, 4:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/disgraced-former-president-trump/831028/86 "2019-03-20T04:39:08Z")
Forget shooting someone on Fifth Avenue, Trump could shit in the mouth of his supporters, tell them it’s ice cream and they would eat it. _The Aristocrats._ ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2019, 4:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/disgraced-former-president-trump/831028/87 "2019-03-20T04:55:54Z")
I bet the orange dungheap believes that, since _disgrace_ is bad, _disgraceful_ is good. I wonder how we could get him to refer to himself as disgraceful? ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [March 20, 2019, 5:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/disgraced-former-president-trump/831028/88 "2019-03-20T05:54:47Z")
[quote=“BobLibDem, post:75, topic:831028”] I think there is far too much pessimism. First of all, Hillary ran a terrible campaign. As a slogan, “I’m With Her” sucked big time. QUOTE]Yeah, I’m not a big Hillary Clinton fan, but have nothing against her. It would be hard to follow what a great man Obama is/was. No, perhaps not a great fantastic President, but a good decent guy. But the option was a moronic criminal. And people voted for him. ---
**Author:** ![Inigo\_Montoya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inigo_montoya/32/124_2.png) [@Inigo\_Montoya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inigo_Montoya)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2019, 2:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/disgraced-former-president-trump/831028/89 "2019-04-02T14:12:05Z")
I’m just looking forward to his inevitable death and awkward memorial service. I’m hoping his memorial marker is a largish wall, like Oscar Wilde got in Paris. And instead of lip prints it is covered with human feces. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2019, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/disgraced-former-president-trump/831028/90 "2019-04-02T14:46:29Z")
How about a [pissoir](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pissoir)? With [stickers](https://static1.squarespace.com/static/58293c746b8f5be4d02d51eb/5843594abebafbacb7679eb8/586038f4c534a5283f42a77d/1482701059730/2016-12-22+20.16.42.jpg?format=750w) inside. And on the [ladies’ side](https://i.etsystatic.com/15516264/r/il/2c5e5c/1307253385/il_794xN.1307253385_osz0.jpg)… ---
**Author:** ![Inigo\_Montoya](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/inigo_montoya/32/124_2.png) [@Inigo\_Montoya](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Inigo_Montoya)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2019, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/disgraced-former-president-trump/831028/91 "2019-04-02T16:10:44Z")
Lovely, but too intentional. I want something formally consecrated for him to be perpetually desecrated. But really, I want him to live long enough to see his daughter and son in law performing the traitor’s dance at the end of a rope first. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2019, 1:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/disgraced-former-president-trump/831028/92 "2019-04-03T13:35:40Z")
I hear ya. I had that post some months ago where I fantasized that he’s sitting in a jail cell. Wife’s divorced him, kids are in jail (the guilty ones, any way), money and properties confiscated and he’s wondering how it all came about. I didn’t suppose he’d ever conclude that it all started with his ego-trip presidential campaign. In actuality I think an Edward Snowden-style saga is much more likely. ---
**Author:** ![foolsguinea](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/foolsguinea/32/14751_2.png) [@foolsguinea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/foolsguinea)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2019, 9:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/disgraced-former-president-trump/831028/93 "2019-04-03T21:59:27Z")
> [@Sherrerd](#): > > And we can’t rule out the possibility that Trump’s people may have (out of sight of the public) opened doors for the Kremlin to play a more active role in 2020—to the point of actually hacking the vote totals. > > So nothing should be taken for granted, numbers-wise. Oh, we are probably well past the point of the 2020 results being accepted by all parties, no matter who wins. ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2019, 11:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/disgraced-former-president-trump/831028/94 "2019-04-03T23:00:18Z")
> [@foolsguinea](#): > > Oh, we are probably well past the point of the 2020 results being accepted by all parties, no matter who wins. Yes, Trump is already salting the ground of ‘electoral fairness in 2020’ to make sure that his followers reject any GOP losses. But responsible people are working to make sure that spotlights are trained on races, and that any claims of misconduct are examined. The problem will be finding enough spotlights (metaphorically speaking) to make all races visibly fair. I’d like to see the US invite credentialed election monitors from international organizations of good repute to oversee what happens in November 2020 (and the run-up). As the wikipedia article has it: > [@](#): > > Standard international election observation missions, as deployed by, for the example, the European Commission or the OSCE Office for Democratic Institutions and Human Rights (ODIHR), monitor the entire electoral process. Election experts and long-term observers begin their work weeks before the actual election day, looking at candidate registration, the legal framework, the media situation, the work of the election administration, and the campaign environment. On election day, short-term observers monitor the opening of polling stations, the vote cast, and the counting and tabulation of results. After election day, observer remain in the country for another few weeks to monitor how possible election-related shortcomings and complaints are dealt with by the election administration and the judiciary. The findings of the observers are made public in reports issued after election day. > **[Election monitoring](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Election_monitoring)** > > Election monitoring involves the observation of an election by one or more independent parties, typically from another country or from a non-governmental organization (NGO). The monitoring parties aim primarily to assess the conduct of an election process on the basis of national legislation and of international election standards. There are national and international election observers. Monitors do not directly prevent electoral fraud, but rather record and report instances of suspicious practic... The more of that we get, the better. ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2019, 1:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/disgraced-former-president-trump/831028/95 "2019-04-04T01:18:22Z")
> [@MEBuckner](#): > > If we somehow ever do build the fucking wall for some fucking reason, all the history books should totally refer to it as “Obama’s Wall”. And those history books should be the only reading material in Trump’s Super-Max cell. President Toxic Chewbacca Fartz, and reading material? I see a lot of dust collection happening. Then again, it would be nice that that’s all he’d be allowed - no tv, no phone (:eek: no twitter!), just boring, unintelligle (to him) books, probably rife with all that fake news deep state stuff. The only visitor he’d be allowed is Pelosi. And maybe Yamiche Alcindor. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2019, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/disgraced-former-president-trump/831028/96 "2019-04-04T01:59:46Z")
> [@foolsguinea](#): > > Oh, we are probably well past the point of the 2020 results being accepted by all parties, no matter who wins. We’re ELEVEN years into a bunch of people not accepting the 2008 election, not to mention the 2012 election. > [@Sherrerd](#): > > Yes, Trump is already salting the ground of ‘electoral fairness in 2020’ to make sure that his followers reject any GOP losses. > > But responsible people are working to make sure that spotlights are trained on races, and that any claims of misconduct are examined. The problem will be finding enough spotlights (metaphorically speaking) to make all races visibly fair. > > I’d like to see the US invite credentialed election monitors from international organizations of good repute to oversee what happens in November 2020 (and the run-up). As the wikipedia article has it: > > [Election monitoring - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Election_monitoring) > > The more of that we get, the better. The problem is that the whacked out nut job conspiracy theorists (read: people who don’t believe Obama was legitimately president) will still not accept those groups’ findings because, after all, wink, wink, those idiots just absolutely know who’s behind them. They are never going to accept anything or anyone that even intimates that there’s a possibility, even a remote one, that their hero is not the bestest unpresidented candidate running. And, of course, this is in direct contradiction to the actual evidence of who it is that’s been pulling off the electioneering and election fraud in recent memory (hint: 'tain’t the Democrats, bubba). ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2019, 6:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/disgraced-former-president-trump/831028/97 "2019-04-04T06:24:32Z")
> [@Inigo\_Montoya](#): > > I’m just looking forward to his inevitable death and awkward memorial service. I’m hoping his memorial marker is a largish wall, like Oscar Wilde got in Paris. And instead of lip prints it is covered with human feces. Human feces which have been imprinted with the actual lips of Messrs. McConnell. Ryan, Graham, and others too numerous to list. As well as those of Mlles. Conaway, Huckabee-Sanders, DeVos, and others too numerous to list. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2019, 6:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/disgraced-former-president-trump/831028/98 "2019-04-04T06:33:02Z")
> [@Inigo\_Montoya](#): > > Lovely, but too intentional. I want something formally consecrated for him to be perpetually desecrated. But really, I want him to live long enough to see his daughter and son in law performing the traitor’s dance at the end of a rope first. Sorry, the moment of death is over far too soon for sufficient suffering to take place. That’s an adjunct to my [del]argument[/del] statement pointing out the unarguable fact that the death penalty has always been morally wrong, every circumstance (no less for the monsters of today than for Yeshua Ben Miriam two thousand years ago). ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2019, 6:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/disgraced-former-president-trump/831028/99 "2019-04-04T06:34:04Z")
Sometimes it’s the “small” stuff that boggles my mind the most. Things that would have been treated as multiday scandal stories in the past are not “above the fold” in this era. Like Chuck Grassley, a major Republican senator and not one known to be a Trump critic, saying [Trump’s comments](https://apnews.com/2de8cf279ce642dd92567aa6d21b288b) on wind power were “idiotic”. Can you imagine the uproar if a prominent Democratic senator had said that about Obama? But now it’s like “well, yeah, he’s sort of an idiot, we all know that, so…” :smack: ---
**Author:** ![Sherrerd](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sherrerd/32/8_2.png) [@Sherrerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sherrerd)\ **Post date:** [April 5, 2019, 1:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/disgraced-former-president-trump/831028/100 "2019-04-05T01:28:40Z")
> [@Guest-starring\_Id](#): > > President Toxic Chewbacca Fartz, and reading material? I see a lot of dust collection happening. Then again, it would be nice that that’s all he’d be allowed - no tv, no phone (:eek: no twitter!), just boring, unintelligle (to him) books, probably rife with all that fake news deep state stuff. The only visitor he’d be allowed is Pelosi. And maybe Yamiche Alcindor. Nah, Yamiche is too polite. Better: Maxine Waters. Add Rosie O’Donnell, and you have the makings of true justice for Donnie-Boy. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/disgraced-former-president-trump/831028.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/disgraced-former-president-trump/831028.md?page=6)