I’m thinking you must have gotten your Plan B at a subsidized price, or my local pharmacies are price gouging. It’s close to $80 here, which is a huge chunk of change for many young women who most need to not be pregnant before they can afford it.
“Why didn’t you do more?” Seriously? Why didn’t that raped girl do more to prevent being raped? Why didn’t those people who got shot to more to prevent being shot?
She shouldn’t *have *to do anything more than walk into a store, pick up a box, hand them her payment method - in this case, an insurance card for a policy that covered the product - and go.
Why yes, because there is a lot of inconsistencies with her post and frankly ignorance on a board devoted to fighting ignorance, I am pro-rape. :rolleyes:
Let’s repeat them:
She is told her insurance won’t cover it. Plan B is an OTC medication. Insurance doesn’t cover OTC drugs as far as I know. None of my insurers ever did. I even had one who wouldn’t cover the Zyban that was prescribed to help me quit smoking.
She gives very detailed things with dates and cities and organizations but neglects to mention that she went to two more pharmacies and Planned Parenthood.
She mentions a “waiting period” at Planned Parenthood. There is no such thing. It makes no sense for a waiting period for Plan B when you have to use it immediately.
She fails to mention why she didn’t just pay for it. Even if she was completely broke, it is free at Planned Parenthood.
When called out on these inconsistencies, she stops posting.
I would hate for someone to come along and read her stuff and think that anything she said is accurate. If someone reads it and doesn’t try and get Plan B because of her misinformation, that would be horrible. Which I guess makes you pro-unwanted pregnancy, right? :rolleyes:
Yes, some insurance covers Plan B. Some doesn’t. Many insurance plans will cover OTC medications if you have a doctor’s prescription for them, even if one isn’t needed to dispense it.
PP is not free, at least not in my city. They will help you apply for a medical card if you qualify, but they’re not free, and the process does take time. I think “waiting period” is a poor way to phrase it, but yes, I’ve taken girls to PP and had them told to come back when they can make financial arrangements. That’s a huge problem with going to PP for Plan B, which requires timely administration.
This poster is obviously a little unclear on some of the finer points of reproductive medication, and isn’t the best, clearest communicator, so go ahead and attack that if you must. Tell her you think she’s lying if you do. But don’t fucking ask her why she didn’t “do more”.
Especially when her story doesn’t pass the smell test, at least in the stage where she could use Plan B.
Also, now that I look at it, she never mentions being raped. So either you - who suddenly started posting right when she stopped posting - made some inference that was unwarranted or you know something that she did not post.
Spreading misinformation about Plan B - which already has a ton of misinformation about it since some people still scream that it is an abortificant when it is not - is not something I appreciate no matter who is doing the spreading.
This is inline with the cost I paid and says what I thought about insurance.
Also, as I said, there is no need for a prescription, most insurance companies don’t cover OTC medication, it’s not prohibitively expensive, there is no waiting periods, and you can get it cheaper (maybe not always for free, but that is possible) at Planned Parenthood.
As I said, a lot of misinformation. Maybe you feel that is okay, but I do not.
I have trouble being supportive of someone who’s posts don’t make sense, describes herself as part of some kind of special at-risk group who has super-mega insurance but no primary doctor who can help out, and who, as this already at-risk person with pre-existing conditions who can’t possibly gamble on getting pregnant, isn’t already on more finite birth control - and who appears to have repeated the process.
A agree, of course, all women need to be able to walk into a pharmacy, buy Plan B, and walk out. I’m not convinced in this case the pursuit of Plan B was within 72 hours, and she is clearly misinformed about RU-486, which cannot be had at the local Rite-Aid and has to be administered in a doctor’s office after an ultrasound. It just doesn’t make sense. Even if she didn’t know before, she would have been told at the time, so the evidence she still doesn’t know is what makes her posts smell like old fish.
The pharmacies here have the off brand (which is obviously just as good) for $25-$40, while actual Plan B one step is closer to $50. I live in California like the original poster, too-- in fact:
The original poster refers to PACT, which means the Family PACT card-- a California specific program. PACT is awesome– if you qualify, 100% of your reproductive health stuff is covered. I had one of those cards from the age of 15 until a year after college and it seriously covers everything from birth control to abortions to pap tests to breast exams to UTI treatment to IUDs to STD testing and on and on. The PACT card makes everything 100% free, as long as you go to a provider who accepts it (and lots do-- I used mine at PP and the college doctor, but a lot of private offices accept it, too).
Now, PACT does give you free morning after pills, but you have to see a doctor first. Once or twice in college I got the morning after pill this way and the appointment went something like this:
Doctor: Why do you need Plan B?
Me: The condom broke.
Doctor: ok. Here you go.
I think they just have to see you as a matter of procedure, for the state paperwork. I wouldn’t consider PACT “insurance” though, so I’m not sure what the OP is talking about. In fact, in order to qualify for PACT, you either have to not have insurance or have insurance that doesn’t cover reproductive stuff (or not be able to afford your copays, but that’s neither here nor there). So, if she’s got PACT, I’m not sure why she’d be messing with her actual insurance anyway. . . since everything is 100% free with Family PACT.
While I’ve never had an abortion on PACT or otherwise, I’ve never heard of any of my friends having trouble getting the procedure on the program. Now, it might be hard to find an actual abortion clinic, but even redecky ol’ conservative Bakersfield (where I live) has one-- and they do both surgical abortions and the abortion pill, all of which is covered 100% by PACT (in fact, they actually dispense the pill at the clinic, you don’t go to a pharmacy to get it. . .).
I also have bought many a morning after pill all over California and haven’t had any issues with anything beyond maybe a disapproving glare from the pharmacist. Again, prices seem to range from $25-$50, and I’ve always gotten mine at Walgreens or Target.
If the morning after pill was essentially concentrated birth control pills couldn’t someone in a pinch just take like 5 of the ones they already have and then get more claiming they lost them?
When I was a teenager and first took the morning after pill-- before it was available over the counter in the pharmacy-- I went to Planned Parenthood and they gave me 12 birth control pills. They had me take 6 at once, then take 6 more 12 hours later.
I do not believe that any Planned Parenthood would turn away someone seeking **EMERGENCY **contraception for any reason. They might very well have to turn away some people who are in non-emergency situations - from what I gathered online, this is happening in some places for regular contraceptive services because of budget cuts as some states slashed their funding in political moves - but I found zero instances of a PP telling someone seeking EC that they would have to come back later.
I really do find it odd that a person registers today, makes nine posts in a six-year old thread, and then vanishes when you suddenly show up to defend her inconsistent and factually wrong posts.
I would just like to say that in New York City, you have to schedule a Planned Parenthood appointment DAYS in advance. If you need it to get EC, you are shit out of luck. They do not do walk-ins.
I agree that there is a lot missing from this story, but the insurance issue sounds real. Family PACT is a state-funded program to provide reproductive health care for low-income people in California. It will cover Plan B as jemc says. As far as why she would need Family PACT to cover it, she indicated that even though it was cheap, it was more than she had. Now, I suspect that she could have scraped the cash together at some point between then and when she drove hundreds of miles to get an abortion, but she’s said there were other attempts in that time. One of them she says she rejected because they wanted her to come back in a week, which does seem questionable, but I suspect jemc is possibly quite young and trying to do this with help from friends and without parents finding out. I also suspect that she could have made better decisions and gotten it taken care of much sooner than she did, but that’s a separate issue from whether she was denied adequate care. It sounds like she was, and on top of that, there was a major breach of HIPAA confidentiality by a pharmacist. So whatever mistakes she may have made (and we’ve all made mistakes) she’s entitled to complain about what happened to her.
I think that’d put you at the conventional stage of moral reasoning. More importantly, shouldn’t a person not choose a profession where they had to violate their conscience?
Contraceptives deviate from “natural law”: that all sexual intercourse must be open to procreation. Relevant biblical eisegesis derives from the Parable of the Sower and the tale of Onan. As for not preventing killing: well, Jesus explicitly said “do not resist evil”. But if one interprets his comment at the stoning of the adulterer as universally applicable (let those without sin throw the first stone) then modus tollens suggests that no one be let to throw a stone.
Sadly, Jen is not ‘young’…lol.
I am much TOO OLD to be dealing with things such as this… >.< But, either way…I could not afford it… and as the little cash I did have at the time (and after…) was constantly going into the gas tank (96 Ford F-150 @ approx. $4.50 a gal.) to drive back and forth from North, to South and back again looking for something that my insurance does indeed cover. If I had an extra $50.00 available (knowing then what I know, now…) Ofcourse, I would have paid it.. However, I did not have extra, and I KNEW IT TO BE covered… so I believed that I was right to leave the initial pharmacy and try the next one.. what I did not anticipate was the statewide ‘Free for All’ to turn away patients that are ‘believed’ to be immoral by the providers…?
As for the space of time between the refusals and all the driving.. (I live approx. 30 miles in either direction from a ‘Town/City’ & another 200+ from a town without the ‘Pro-Life’ hurdles…). After the refusals … of a medication that has a three-day window (AFAIK at the time) and almost two days had already passed, it was (in my mind) a matter of ‘wait and see’.
However, I did elect to purchase herbs from a local apothecary that are known to have abortifacient properties. I spent weeks choking down teas and herbal supplements..and hoping… (for a short time I thought It was working). When it was clear, it hadn’t.
I then began calling and researching clinics with RU-486 services. Which IS SOLD/ADVERTISED locally. But, NO ONE will actually write the prescription locally…
Anyway, I tend to get very defensive and ‘emo’ over the whole issue. I am not the sharpest tool in the shed… but I tried everything (my afflicted little brain) could think of … to get the medication to prevent it… then to obtain the medication to ‘end’ it… and finally resorting to the surgery… only to have another ASSHOLE dime me out to the very family member(s), I had done all of this to spare :(.
:smack:
I am sorry if my sudden disappearance offended you… I had to ‘run’, as they say. Until I found the post in a recent online search, I had completely forgotten, not only the post but my password as well… :dubious:
I am finished trying ‘defend’ any of my actions. I need no assistance in the self-loathing department. I am usually the first to acknowledge that I myself/my life are an ‘Epic-Fail’. I know that I am a P.O.S. by all current standards. I am simply trying not to let this epic-failure become a sequel or a trilogy!!
Whether you agree with my point(s) or not… I am grateful for ALL of the feed back. I like to know both sides of the argument. So, let me take this opportunity to Thank You, and say I appreciate the in-put! (I say that with all sincerity!)
Agreed, & that is a great point.
Because though ‘some people’ do not have the pharmacy coverage of OTC “EC” through their insurance. The pharmacist has the knowledge power and ability to have dispensed a BC that WASN’T; OTC &/or ‘against his beliefs’ (ie; that wasn’t “EC”) and instructed the proper dosage. AFAIK… that is what was supposed to happen if my insurance had been declined. However, it was easier to simply turn me away without even running my coverage to determine the answer to that question.
FYI-there were no other ER’s to go to… (If I am even replying to the right thread…;)… it was the only one… and I did go so far as to ask “should I have lied and claimed I was raped?”… it was equally NOT well received.)
dime me out to the very family member(s), I had done all of this to spare :(.