# Disingenuous argument and those who agree **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 8, 2024, 10:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/disingenuous-argument-and-those-who-agree/1006948 "2024-09-08T10:37:02Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 15\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2024, 5:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/disingenuous-argument-and-those-who-agree/1006948/21 "2024-09-08T17:25:01Z")
Fr0&! ---
**Author:** ![Eonwe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eonwe/32/240_2.png) [@Eonwe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eonwe)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2024, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/disingenuous-argument-and-those-who-agree/1006948/22 "2024-09-08T17:28:10Z")
Are you pitting me for a months-dead thread, and in doing so failing to even articulate what your issue is? And failing to describe the stated purpose of that thread? ---
**Author:** ![Pardel-Lux](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pardel-lux/32/20182_2.png) [@Pardel-Lux](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pardel-Lux)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2024, 5:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/disingenuous-argument-and-those-who-agree/1006948/23 "2024-09-08T17:31:53Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > To do otherwise would be completely disingenuous. But if I am less disingenuous it follows that I am more ingenious, does it not? Phonetically, at least. ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2024, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/disingenuous-argument-and-those-who-agree/1006948/24 "2024-09-08T17:32:58Z")
> [@crowmanyclouds](#): > > The F-word is a racial slur. How about cheese eating surrender monkey? ---
**Author:** ![Darren\_Garrison](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/darren_garrison/32/92_2.png) [@Darren\_Garrison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Darren_Garrison)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2024, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/disingenuous-argument-and-those-who-agree/1006948/25 "2024-09-08T17:35:55Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > Even worse, they will often deliberately antagonize you when they know you are upset, trying to make you slip up. > > * * * > > This has frustrated and even angered me for a long time. It’s bad enough in regular life, but even more annoying on this board. It goes like this: If everyone around you online and in real life angers you for not accepting that you are right and they are wrong, chances are the problem is you. ---
**Author:** ![DavidNRockies](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/davidnrockies/32/6279_2.png) [@DavidNRockies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DavidNRockies)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2024, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/disingenuous-argument-and-those-who-agree/1006948/26 "2024-09-08T19:58:37Z")
I’m not a frog bowdlerizer Nor a frog bowdlerizer’s son But I’ll be bowdlerizing frogs 'Til the frog bowdlerizing’s done ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2024, 10:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/disingenuous-argument-and-those-who-agree/1006948/27 "2024-09-08T22:55:05Z")
I just wish I could’ve seen the OP’s non-tl;dr version. ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2024, 11:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/disingenuous-argument-and-those-who-agree/1006948/28 "2024-09-08T23:08:15Z")
I feel for you @BigT. But, we all know it will get you no where. Just roll with it. They’ll play their games, get their jollies. It’s really is a stupid way to discuss things. (And since it’s me, beckdawrek, we don’t need any beck-thread crap here. I’ll not respond, no one wants to read it. Grow up) ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2024, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/disingenuous-argument-and-those-who-agree/1006948/29 "2024-09-08T23:14:50Z")
I guessed you missed this, > [@BigT](#): > > Also, Beck does it a lot, (and likely has done it to you) but this is not a pit thread for her. AFAICT you’re one of the posters he’s complaining about. ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2024, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/disingenuous-argument-and-those-who-agree/1006948/30 "2024-09-08T23:16:31Z")
I saw it. I don’t care. I know I’m right in this one. I’ve been done the same way. (Clipping, again. I see) ---
**Author:** ![Beckdawrek](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/beckdawrek/32/3647_2.png) [@Beckdawrek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beckdawrek)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2024, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/disingenuous-argument-and-those-who-agree/1006948/31 "2024-09-08T23:19:37Z")
Here we go … So funny how predictable you are. ---
**Author:** ![crowmanyclouds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/crowmanyclouds/32/19884_2.png) [@crowmanyclouds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/crowmanyclouds)\ **Post date:** [September 8, 2024, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/disingenuous-argument-and-those-who-agree/1006948/32 "2024-09-08T23:25:30Z")
What? I added something. But enough of the very, very, very, boring Beck show . . . unless you want to provide actual examples (with links) of whatever the fuck this thread is supposed to be about? ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2024, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/disingenuous-argument-and-those-who-agree/1006948/33 "2024-09-09T00:33:40Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > One of the hardest things for me to learn is that people could disagree with me without being insincere. If we remove that assumption of folks being disingenuous, your complaint is something like this: When I was younger, I encountered a number of people that seemed to believe and I’m pretty sure did believe that saying something contradictory to their opponent refuted that opponent’s argument. [I satirized that POV here](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/trivial-objections/1006669). It’s a midwit perspective, sad to say. I speculate that as those sorts get older they learn… not to be so confrontational. But I doubt whether they improve their understanding of argument and rhetoric substantially. > [@BigT](#): > > I know that fucking tactic. You piss off someone even more because angrier people are more likely to make mistakes. And, no, you can’t say that they are also just angry, because they snark and mock and are generally calm. You’re just saying that because you’re angry. Try to calm down. See? Easy to do. I think adding a piece of false advice is a nice touch and adds realism. ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Borgia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/larry_borgia/32/156_2.png) [@Larry\_Borgia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Borgia)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2024, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/disingenuous-argument-and-those-who-agree/1006948/34 "2024-09-09T00:42:34Z")
> [@Measure\_for\_Measure](#): > > When I was younger, I encountered a number of people that seemed to believe and I’m pretty sure did believe that saying something contradictory to their opponent refuted that opponent’s argument. No you didn’t. ---
**Author:** ![Buck\_Godot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/buck_godot/32/6573_2.png) [@Buck\_Godot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Buck_Godot)\ **Post date:** [September 9, 2024, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/disingenuous-argument-and-those-who-agree/1006948/35 "2024-09-09T19:44:03Z")
I think I get what BigT is talking about. When emotions get high its easy to make cheap shots that strawman the other side or hyperbolize the situation as a way to vent their feelings. These can be cheered on by other posters who share their attitude. At that point its not so much about making a logically consistent argument as making a show. Now if this was transferred to say an academic context where poor arguments were penalized even those posters who made the arguments would be able to go through and count all of the logical fallacies. But this is a message board where social validation and catharsis is at least as important as precise correctness, so sloppy arguments may produce positive feedback then well reasoned ones. All things considered I think that its better on the SD message board where precise correctness at least some value in the rest of the internet it seems to value it not at all. But there it is pervasive here to. I think at one time or another everone has done it, I know for a fact that I have. Particularly on the Trump and Republicans snark threads, which are filled with poor reasoning, that is cheered on, because its fun, and you know pretty much everyone here is on your side and only very rarely challenge you. On the other hand I think complaining abouit it is akin to loudly protesting that everyone is going 75 on the freeway when the speed limit is clearly posted at 65! I think its one of those things you just have to accept. You can point it out when you see it, but protests fall on deaf ears you just accept it and move on. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/disingenuous-argument-and-those-who-agree/1006948.md?page=1)