# Dislike for Bush vs Clinton **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [August 10, 2006, 2:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dislike-for-bush-vs-clinton/368150 "2006-08-10T14:08:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2006, 5:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dislike-for-bush-vs-clinton/368150/61 "2006-08-11T05:14:48Z")
[QUOTE=srmclauren] No connection. ??? He who is faithful in that which is least is also faithful in much, and he that is unjust in that which is least is also unjust in much. (Hey, you could use this one against YOUR enemies.) [/QUOTE] How do you know he wasn’t faithful ? For all you know, they had an arrangement between them. Either way, it’s not our business. [QUOTE=srmclauren] Well, just witness an abortion and see if you find it acceptable. Get your wife, or significant other, pregnant, let her carry it to term, and watch as the head comes out and the doctor inserts the scissors at the base of the skull. [/quote] In that case, it’s hopelessly defective, otherwise they wouldn’t be aborting it that late. Anencephalic, for example; it would look pretty horrible if it was born, too. [QUOTE=srmclauren] Or if you please, imagine the writhing form of one not yet born as the saline solution burns it to death, or the forceps rit it apart limb from limb and toss it piece by piece in the waste can. This is a child left behind. [/quote] No, it’s not a child, it’s a mindless thing. You insult children everywhere. [QUOTE=srmclauren] I don’t identify myself as either “religious” or “right” but I can see how a holy God would find this unacceptable. [/QUOTE] The same holy God who supposedly drowned millions of actual, born children in a flood , and killed the firstborn of Egypt ? ---
**Author:** ![srmclauren](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/85f322/32.png) [@srmclauren](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/srmclauren)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2006, 6:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dislike-for-bush-vs-clinton/368150/62 "2006-08-11T06:01:23Z")
[QUOTE=Der Trihs] How do you know he wasn’t faithful ? For all you know, they had an arrangement between them. Either way, it’s not our business. In that case, it’s hopelessly defective, otherwise they wouldn’t be aborting it that late. Anencephalic, for example; it would look pretty horrible if it was born, too. No, it’s not a child, it’s a mindless thing. You insult children everywhere. The same holy God who supposedly drowned millions of actual, born children in a flood , and killed the firstborn of Egypt ? [/QUOTE] Well, you might be defective, but definitely not hopeless. And yes, a partial birth abortion is a mindless thing, after they suck its brains out. I guess you have a different definition of faithful. I guess he had an arrangement with the American people and the courts and visiting Moscow in the Cold War era without having communist leanings is not like smoking marijuana without inhaling. I guess we have our heads stuck in a different sandpile. Yup, I believe that’s the same holy God. And for all I know, there’s still hope for us. And it is my business if I vote for him. ---
**Author:** ![srmclauren](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/85f322/32.png) [@srmclauren](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/srmclauren)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2006, 6:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dislike-for-bush-vs-clinton/368150/63 "2006-08-11T06:03:19Z")
[QUOTE=srmclauren] Well, you might be defective, but definitely not hopeless. And yes, a partial birth abortion is a mindless thing, after they suck its brains out. I guess you have a different definition of faithful. I guess he had an arrangement with the American people and the courts and visiting Moscow in the Cold War era without having communist leanings is not like smoking marijuana without inhaling. I guess we have our heads stuck in a different sandpile. Yup, I believe that’s the same holy God. And for all I know, there’s still hope for us. And it is my business if I vote for him. [/QUOTE] (Not necessarily in that order.) ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2006, 6:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dislike-for-bush-vs-clinton/368150/64 "2006-08-11T06:05:26Z")
You voted for God? Is it the whole “incumbancy” thing? ---
**Author:** ![srmclauren](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/85f322/32.png) [@srmclauren](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/srmclauren)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2006, 6:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dislike-for-bush-vs-clinton/368150/65 "2006-08-11T06:08:29Z")
[QUOTE=elucidator] For good reason: they’re crap. No such equivalence. I told my Mom once that I didn’t eat those cookies, but I never said that Jimmy Leggit from next door planned to kill our dog, and got Dad to go over and break his arm with a tire iron. [/QUOTE] A lie is a lie and it makes the person a liar. You can argue about one lie being worse than another, but it’s only from your perspective. When I was in college, all the students who wanted to visit Moscow were either members of SDS or had some idea that their system was better than the U.S. Where there’s smoke there’s inhalation, unless you don’t like the flavor of those Cuban cigars. ---
**Author:** ![srmclauren](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/85f322/32.png) [@srmclauren](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/srmclauren)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2006, 6:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dislike-for-bush-vs-clinton/368150/66 "2006-08-11T06:19:07Z")
[QUOTE=elucidator] You voted for God? Is it the whole “incumbancy” thing? [/QUOTE] This is more interesting than I thought it would be. I thought you would just think I was tired and writing in stream of consciousness or something (if you gave me that much credit). Your clever reply made me smile. Actually I think “vote” is pretty incorrect, as if I had anything to do with affirming absolute Truth as an “incumbant.” He is Truth and Love and even though I am imperfect, His grace is enough. I hope and pray it’s enough for you too. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2006, 6:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dislike-for-bush-vs-clinton/368150/67 "2006-08-11T06:27:20Z")
[QUOTE=srmclauren] And yes, a partial birth abortion is a mindless thing, after they suck its brains out. [/quote] “Partial birth abortion” is a dishonest, manipulative political phrase, not a real medical term. Also, an anencephalic fetus doesn’t _have_ a brain to suck out. It doesn’t have much of a head, either. You, of course want to force it’s mother to give birth to her lethally deformed offspring so she can see how horrible it is then watch it die. Once again demonstrating that anti-abortion = enemy of womankind. [QUOTE=srmclauren] I guess you have a different definition of faithful. [/quote] My definition is irrelevant; it’s Bill and Hillary’s that matters. Anyway, private matters like affairs and marital disputes should be ignored by the public; it’s not our business. [QUOTE=srmclauren] I guess he had an arrangement with the American people and the courts and visiting Moscow in the Cold War era without having communist leanings is not like smoking marijuana without inhaling. [/quote] Yes, because one couldn’t _possibly_ visit the Soviet Union without being a pinko ? [sarcasm]Like the well known Commie Robert A Heinlein ?[/sarcasm] [QUOTE=srmclauren] Yup, I believe that’s the same holy God. [/quote] So, you worship the God of Mass Murder ? I point out how many innocent people he supposedly killed and your reaction is “Go God ! Kill more !” ? That’s your definition of holy ? [QUOTE=srmclauren] A lie is a lie and it makes the person a liar. You can argue about one lie being worse than another, but it’s only from your perspective. [/QUOTE] Lying is morally neutral. It can be good or bad, heroic or polite or malignant. [QUOTE=srmclauren] Actually I think “vote” is pretty incorrect, as if I had anything to do with affirming absolute Truth as an “incumbant.” He is Truth and Love and even though I am imperfect, His grace is enough. [/QUOTE] Provide proof that God is “Absolute Truth” and Love. Especially love, since your “Loving God” is a mass murderer by your own admission. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2006, 6:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dislike-for-bush-vs-clinton/368150/68 "2006-08-11T06:32:45Z")
“Like boys to wanton flies…” or some such. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2006, 6:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dislike-for-bush-vs-clinton/368150/69 "2006-08-11T06:39:39Z")
[QUOTE=elucidator] “Like boys to wanton flies…” or some such. [/QUOTE] “Like flies to wanton boys, are we to the gods. They kill us for their sport.” - Gloucester, King Lear. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2006, 6:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dislike-for-bush-vs-clinton/368150/70 "2006-08-11T06:50:07Z")
You sure it wasn’t his daughter, Gonorrhea? ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2006, 12:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dislike-for-bush-vs-clinton/368150/71 "2006-08-11T12:47:39Z")
[QUOTE=Evil One] Of course, some people would call for a weather report and a candlepower assesment on a given set of GPS coordiates if I said the sun was shining…and then say the data was faulty because the machine that measured the light intensity was manufactured by a company that once gave money to a GOP PAC. [/QUOTE] Absolutely freaking brilliant. You brightened my Friday no end. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Dinsdale](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/97f17d/32.png) [@Dinsdale](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dinsdale)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2006, 1:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dislike-for-bush-vs-clinton/368150/72 "2006-08-11T13:25:33Z")
[QUOTE=Evil One] The OP asked why I dislike Clinton. I responded. [/QUOTE] Uh - no, I don’t think I/it did. ---
**Author:** ![ITR\_champion](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/c67d28/32.png) [@ITR\_champion](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ITR_champion)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2006, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dislike-for-bush-vs-clinton/368150/73 "2006-08-11T15:37:08Z")
[QUOTE=I Love Me, Vol. I] What\* number \* is plenty? I doubt there are that many lefties who would accuse Bush of directly planning specific murders (as some righties have proposed with Clinton vis-a-vis Foster and Ron Brown, for example). Mostly the “murders” some lefties would accuse Bush of are connected to deaths stemming from the conflicts in Iraq and Afghanistan. I think the Clinton accusers vs. the Bush accusers–at least on this topic-- are seperated by at least 100 units of rabid-nuttiness. [/QUOTE] How about [this?](http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/279827_conspiracy02ww.html?source=mypi) Twelve percent of Americans believe the theory that the military hit the Pentagon with a cruise missile on 9/11, and sixteen percent (!) believe that explosives were planted to destroy the World Trade Center. ---
**Author:** ![Evil\_One](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/45deac/32.png) [@Evil\_One](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Evil_One)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2006, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dislike-for-bush-vs-clinton/368150/74 "2006-08-11T15:48:16Z")
[QUOTE=Dinsdale] Essentially my question is how you would compare the dislike for Bush, compared to the dislike for Clinton? How do the bases for their dislike, and the intensity of their dislike compare? [/QUOTE] These questions were the basis of my original response. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2006, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dislike-for-bush-vs-clinton/368150/75 "2006-08-11T15:51:40Z")
[QUOTE=ITR champion] How about [this?](http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/national/279827_conspiracy02ww.html?source=mypi) Twelve percent of Americans believe the theory that the military hit the Pentagon with a cruise missile on 9/11, and sixteen percent (!) believe that explosives were planted to destroy the World Trade Center. [/QUOTE] And half the population thinks Saddam had WMD and was involved in 9-11; more than last year. The right is not only crazier, but getting more so. ---
**Author:** ![rjung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/45deac/32.png) [@rjung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rjung)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2006, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dislike-for-bush-vs-clinton/368150/76 "2006-08-11T19:37:40Z")
[QUOTE=silenus] Rather than counter arguing, all either of you are doing here is saying “But your guy did it too!” [/quote] Actually, my assumption is that all politicians are pandering scum who will say whatever they do to get elected and stay there. The difference is that I don’t rail against one candidate for doing it while giving a pass to another just because of the party affiliation he’s with, unlike **Evil One** does. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2006, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dislike-for-bush-vs-clinton/368150/77 "2006-08-11T20:18:52Z")
So noted. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Stone](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Sam\_Stone](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Stone)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2006, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dislike-for-bush-vs-clinton/368150/78 "2006-08-11T20:28:56Z")
The thing that gets me is that Clinton did a lot of the things that the left absolutely hates Bush for, yet they gave Clinton a pass because he was a Democrat. You know, like getting involved in a military conflict without UN approval. I can imagine what the Bush-hating left would have had to say about the Waco disaster had it happened on Bush’s watch. ---
**Author:** ![Der\_Trihs](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/der_trihs/32/233_2.png) [@Der\_Trihs](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Der_Trihs)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2006, 9:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dislike-for-bush-vs-clinton/368150/79 "2006-08-11T21:56:35Z")
[QUOTE=Sam Stone] The thing that gets me is that Clinton did a lot of the things that the left absolutely hates Bush for, yet they gave Clinton a pass because he was a Democrat. You know, like getting involved in a military conflict without UN approval. [/quote] If you mean Kosovo, perhaps it has to do with the left both liking the result and believing Clinton meant well. The exact opposite of Iraq. Iraq is a disaster, and I doubt Bush has meant well in his adult life. [QUOTE=Sam Stone] I can imagine what the Bush-hating left would have had to say about the Waco disaster had it happened on Bush’s watch. [/QUOTE] I don’t recall many people of any political persuasion liking Waco. I can imagine what the mindless Bush _supporters_ would say if something like it happened now. ---
**Author:** ![Carol\_Stream](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/c2a13f/32.png) [@Carol\_Stream](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Carol_Stream)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2006, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dislike-for-bush-vs-clinton/368150/80 "2006-08-11T23:25:41Z")
[QUOTE=Der Trihs] Lying is morally neutral. It can be good or bad, heroic or polite or malignant. [/QUOTE] Can you provide an example where lying would be “heroic”? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dislike-for-bush-vs-clinton/368150.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dislike-for-bush-vs-clinton/368150.md?page=5)