# Disneyland Measles Outbreak **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 21, 2015, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/disneyland-measles-outbreak/710529 "2015-01-21T23:14:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 11
**Author:** ![AnaMen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dfb087/32.png) [@AnaMen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AnaMen)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2015, 8:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/disneyland-measles-outbreak/710529/201 "2015-01-26T20:49:18Z")
> [@LavenderBlue](#): > > No, we isolate the kids and the parents. Anyone who can’t be vaccinated for medical reasons as well as those who voluntarily forego vaccines. Good god take some reading comprehension lessons. You are the one claiming that vulnerable people should be isolated. You say so right here! Fun fact: I took the GMAT, got a perfect score, and was offered a test prep job at the facility on the spot. Rather than signing up for “reading comprehension lessons,” I’d therefore be the one teaching them! ---
**Author:** ![LavenderBlue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e95f7d/32.png) [@LavenderBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LavenderBlue)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2015, 8:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/disneyland-measles-outbreak/710529/202 "2015-01-26T20:55:08Z")
Yes, isolate the kids and the parents. It’s totally [legal.](http://www.medicaldaily.com/nyc-schools-are-now-allowed-ban-unvaccinated-kids-rules-federal-judge-289614) What the hell is the problem here? This is what you do in the event a vaccine-preventable disease breaks out. Yes, my friend Stacy’s son Ben also gets isolated in such cases. You can imagine how this infuriates her that her son has to put up with this kind of nonsense because people are deliberately choosing to be dumb and refusing vaccines. ---
**Author:** ![LavenderBlue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e95f7d/32.png) [@LavenderBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LavenderBlue)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2015, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/disneyland-measles-outbreak/710529/203 "2015-01-26T20:58:38Z")
> [@AnaMen](#): > > You are the one claiming that vulnerable people should be isolated. You say so right here! > Fun fact: I took the GMAT, got a perfect score, and was offered a test prep job at the facility on the spot. Rather than signing up for “reading comprehension lessons,” I’d therefore be the one teaching them! I certainly hope you don’t use this thread as an example of your supposedly higher order thinking skills. You repeatedly slam the critics of Dr. Sears for the most minor of errors and then repeatedly defend him when he makes much bigger ones. You seem to be under the lunatic delusion that our vaccine program should be about attempting to reason with morons who don’t give a shit if eight hundred people die of measles each year just so they can promote their idiotic pet theories and sell junk. ---
**Author:** ![AnaMen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dfb087/32.png) [@AnaMen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AnaMen)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2015, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/disneyland-measles-outbreak/710529/204 "2015-01-26T21:10:21Z")
> [@LavenderBlue](#): > > I certainly hope you don’t use this thread as an example of your supposedly higher order thinking skills. You repeatedly slam the critics of Dr. Sears for the most minor of errors and then repeatedly defend him when he makes much bigger ones. You seem to be under the lunatic delusion that our vaccine program should be about attempting to reason with morons who don’t give a shit if eight hundred people die of measles each year just so they can promote their idiotic pet theories and sell junk. Hmmm, no… I quite clearly stated my belief that reasoning with unreasonable people is useless. I have “slammed” no critics of Sears. Indeed, I have no doubt that your hero Dr. Offit is an intelligent scholar with the public interest at heart, and have said as much. You’re just ranting, so I suppose you’re in the right place! ---
**Author:** ![WhyNot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c77e96/32.png) [@WhyNot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WhyNot)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2015, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/disneyland-measles-outbreak/710529/205 "2015-01-26T22:37:51Z")
> [@AnaMen](#): > > I’m sure I’m not alone in my desire to have zero preventable child deaths per year. > > What though, is the cost of preventing each death? Not just the cost in dollars, but any and all costs of money, time, effort, etc. associated with the prevention. > It’s not comfortable to think about where to set the level of “expense” of this nature that is worth spending to save a child’s life, but surely we want to save as many lives as possible per “expense unit.” > Apparently in 2012 one child dies from a TV tip-over every two weeks and TV tip-overs account for 18,000 ER visits per year. Apparently these rates just keep going up. > > If we eliminated TVs entirely, think of the savings… But we don’t think the “cost” is worth it. We could insist that televisions only be installed by licensed professionals who would secure them properly to the wall and save a lot of lives and injuries. But this is also objectionable and not seriously considered by many people either. Where would it end, after all? Next thing you know, they’ll come for our bookcases, our fish tanks, our unbarred windows, our ladders, and our staircases. Sorry kids, some of you are going to die from televisions because you are clumsy and your caregivers are too dumb to affix their TVs properly to the wall. > The life of one four-year-old I will never meet is worth exactly the same amount to me as that of any other four-year-old I will never meet. Why should I be enraged because one child dies from measles, but shrug off another TV-crushed child’s death? > We should shrug off neither death, you may be thinking… But when the cost of saving one more child gets too “expensive,” like getting rid of all the TVs, we eventually must admit that we can’t save them all. That any one “preventable death” may be prevented, but it is not worth the cost of preventing them all. > > Is it because the TV-crushed child is the victim of their own caregiver’s stupidity, while the measles case may be the result and therefore, _fault_, of the stupidity of someone unrelated? > > I think a lot of non-vaxxing parents believe that if their child is the extremely rare case that suffers harm from a vaccination, that harm is _their fault_, whereas if the child suffers less-rare harm from a disease, that is _fate_. Possibly religion plays a role in this as well, as they conclude that the disease must be “God’s will.” It’s frustrating that they seem so bad at playing the odds, but their feelings about who is to blame for the consequences are different, so it isn’t simply a question of odds in their eyes. > > What does this have to do with the TVs? > If I go to my non-vaxxing friend’s house and try to talk them into vaccinating their toddler by showing them CDC statistics and such, I should not expect to succeed. No lives saved. If however, I instead use that time to convince them to let me help them attach their TV to the wall properly, that’s more likely to succeed. Possible life saved. If while I do that, I ask if they’ve heard about the delayed vaccination schedules and get them on board with that, better still. > If that makes me an idiot in some people’s eyes, so be it. Your TV doesn’t present a realistic risk to my child. If you don’t secure your TV, I can accept that risk, or keep my child out of your home, or sue your ass off if your TV harms my child. If refusing vaccines only presented a risk to the unvaccinated child, I’d still think the parent an idiot (like the parent who doesn’t secure their TV) but I wouldn’t think they needed to be forced with any consequences other than the potential maiming or death of their own child. (Others would disagree with me, saying that the state has an interest in that child’s welfare, even if the parent isn’t interested.) ---
**Author:** ![Kolga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e56c9b/32.png) [@Kolga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolga)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2015, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/disneyland-measles-outbreak/710529/206 "2015-01-26T22:43:11Z")
> [@AnaMen](#): > > I quite clearly stated my belief that reasoning with unreasonable people is useless. Truer words have never been spoken. Meanwhile, for everyone who might be interested back here in the land of reality, here are the explanations I’ve seen offered by the vaccine denialist cult on social media for the current outbreak of measles: 1. The vaccinated caused it (by “shedding” bits of the virus from vaccines). 2. Only the vaccinated are getting sick (they say this with every outbreak, in spite of statistics to the contrary). 3. The vaccine is worse than the disease (their fallback argument)\> 4. The outbreak isn’t happening (they also claim the Ebola epidemic isn’t happening - it’s a lie propagated by the U.N. and the New World Order). 5. The government sprayed Disneyland with chemtrails containing the measles virus (I can’t even). At this point, I personally believe that waiting for the vaccine denialist cult to “come around” is a lost cause. We’ve tried education (and obviously will continue those efforts) but it’s time for different strategies. I personally am supportive of the West Virginia and Mississippi models, which do not allow non-medical exemptions for vaccinations for public schools. I support doing away with all religious and personal exemptions for vaccinations for public and private schools. One “good” thing that may come out of this latest outbreak is that pro-science parents who understand that vaccines are good will finally start to speak as loudly as the anti-vaccine movement, and stop tolerating the anti-vaccine propaganda. Parents, however supposedly well-meaning and loving they are, do not get to endanger their children’s lives in the service to a whacked-out philosophy. ---
**Author:** ![california\_jobcase](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/9d8465/32.png) [@california\_jobcase](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/california_jobcase)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2015, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/disneyland-measles-outbreak/710529/207 "2015-01-26T23:01:52Z")
I’ll throw in my two cents’ worth on this measles vaccine thing. I had the German measles (rubella) in 6th grade. I was very measly looking, but felt fine and got a week off of school therefore. When I was a sophomore in high school, I had the regular old measles (rubeola). I swear I have never felt sicker in my life!! I missed a week of school that time too, and lost about 15 pounds. \*If there are anti-vaxers who think anyone should just get the measles instead of a vaccination because it’s just a mild childhood disease, \*_ **they’re fucking insane!!!** _ **MEASLES HURT!!!** ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2015, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/disneyland-measles-outbreak/710529/208 "2015-01-26T23:07:45Z")
> [@AnaMen](#): > > If you lump them all together as “bad people,” I guess we can stone them to death in the town square and feel good about it. Call me an idealist, but that seems wrong somehow. “Idealist” isn’t the word I’m looking for to describe you. It does start with an “i” though. ---
**Author:** ![LavenderBlue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e95f7d/32.png) [@LavenderBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LavenderBlue)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2015, 11:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/disneyland-measles-outbreak/710529/209 "2015-01-26T23:45:59Z")
Read some of the comments [here](http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2015/01/22/vaccine-deniers-stick-together-and-now-theyre-ruining-things-for-everyone/) and weep. > [@](#): > > Gabriel Sims > 1/25/2015 10:09 PM EST > Immunizations place neutralizers, carrying agents, preservatives, live viruses, foreign proteins and other chemicals directly into the bloodstream (even when given intramuscularly), effectively bypassing the body’s natural defenses and giving the chemicals complete access to your brain and other major organs. > > All of this in turn causes diseases and disorders of the blood, brain, nervous system and skin. Some of these are: Sudden Infant Death Syndrome (SIDS), multiple sclerosis, arthritis, allergies, Guillain Barre Syndrome and autism. > > Evidence suggests that immunizations damage the immune system itself. By focusing exclusively on increased antibody production, which is only one aspect of the immune process, immunizations isolate dysfunction and allow it to substitute for the entire immune response, because vaccines trick the body so that it will no longer initiate a generalized response. They accomplished what the entire immune system seems to have been evolved to prevent. That is, they place the virus directly into the blood and give it access to the major immune organs and tissues without any obvious way of getting rid of it. > > All of this information is out of the Physician’s Desk Reference, 1980, and Organic Consumer Reports of 1977. > > This is what pro-vaxxers do not want you to know. It’s NOT just the mercury that we have to worry about. The actual act of immunizing is dangerous because it exposes the brain and other major organs to these ingredients. - > [@](#): > > Brother Sun > 5:56 PM EST > The best thing you can do to avoid measles is to STAY AWAY FROM CHILDREN WHO HAVE BEEN VACCINATED WITH THE MMR. Here’s why… > > “Wild” measles was gone by 2000, so recent cases of measles are most likely “atypical measles” which is caused by the vaccine. NIH has known since 1995 that people newly vaccinated with the MMR vaccine become contagious for the measles they have been injected with, as, shortly after measles vaccination, the measles virus becomes detectible in the patient’s urine and saliva. Just think of how many recently vaccinated children are at Disneyland or in your child’s classroom. Those are the primary vectors of the outbreak. Evidence shows that Recent Measles Cases are Due to Vaccine Failure, not failure to vaccinate. > > The Measles vaccine is an attenuated live virus vaccine, and what can happen is called “reversion to virulence” where the virus mutates back into a virulent form. As a result, you can actually get measles from the vaccine. No one would buy a vaccine if the manufactuer admitted it actually caused measles. So, Merck is saying it can have the side effect of “atypical measles” or “measles-like rash” but most doctors can’t tell the difference, so they’re just reporting “measles.” - > [@](#): > > 1447061602 > 10:08 AM EST > You are so wrong, Russ. You did not do the research. You can begin investigating the facts & real science on Twitter at #CDCwhistleblower aka MMR Fraud. > > Look up Poul Thorsen, too. He stole & ran with the CDC’s autism research money & is wanted by the FBI. He was lead scientist behind Danish Studies deception claiming no link between Vaccines & autism. Not that autism is the only harm. Our children are even dying & you just parrot the lies. Thorsen is the counter part to the good doctor Andrew Wakefield who was framed. Thorsen is the real criminal. Not Wakefield. ---
**Author:** ![Morgyn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morgyn/32/3041_2.png) [@Morgyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgyn)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2015, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/disneyland-measles-outbreak/710529/210 "2015-01-27T00:11:17Z")
I … that … what is that I don’t even … ---
**Author:** ![Kolga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e56c9b/32.png) [@Kolga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolga)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2015, 12:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/disneyland-measles-outbreak/710529/211 "2015-01-27T00:24:33Z")
> [@Morgyn](#): > > I … that … what is that I don’t even … Welcome to the wonderful world of the Venn Diagram of conspiracy theorists and vaccine denialists. You’ll need booze. ---
**Author:** ![AnaMen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dfb087/32.png) [@AnaMen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AnaMen)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2015, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/disneyland-measles-outbreak/710529/212 "2015-01-27T00:31:39Z")
> [@WhyNot](#): > > Your TV doesn’t present a realistic risk to my child. If you don’t secure your TV, I can accept that risk, or keep my child out of your home, or sue your ass off if your TV harms my child. > > If refusing vaccines only presented a risk to the unvaccinated child, I’d still think the parent an idiot (like the parent who doesn’t secure their TV) but I wouldn’t think they needed to be forced with any consequences other than the potential maiming or death of their own child. (Others would disagree with me, saying that the state has an interest in that child’s welfare, even if the parent isn’t interested.) Exactly… I am most interested in my own child’s welfare, also interested in my child friends and relatives and children of friends, and less interested (though still interested) in the welfare of children who are complete strangers to me. I’m not more concerned about strangers who are the kids of smart people dying from other people’s negligence than strangers who are the kids of negligent parents dying, and I see no logical reason why I should be. If children were property of some sort, then I’d agree with your logic… Not to imply that you believe children are property; I’m sure you do not. ---
**Author:** ![Measure\_for\_Measure](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/measure_for_measure/32/557_2.png) [@Measure\_for\_Measure](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Measure_for_Measure)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2015, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/disneyland-measles-outbreak/710529/213 "2015-01-27T00:50:26Z")
Discussion: The internet makes smart people smarter and dumb people dumber. > **[Does the internet really make dumb people dumber?](https://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2015/01/does-internet-really-make-dumb-people-dumber/)** > > I don’t normally get to hear what Bill Gates thinks of one of my ideas, but today’s the exception. Because Ezra Klein asked him: Ezra Klein: ….Kevin Drum, who writes for Mother Jones, has a line I’ve always thought was interesting, which is that the... Kevin Drum: [INDENT]The internet is all about communication, and it does two things in this case. First, it empower the anti-vax nutballs, giving them a far more powerful medium for spreading their nonsense. On the flip side, it makes a lot more people vulnerable to bad information. If you lack the context to evaluate arguments about vaccination, the internet is much more likely to make you dumber about vaccinating your kids than any previous medium in history. … I’m not trying to make a broad claim that the internet is making us generally stupider or anything like that. But it’s a far more powerful medium for spreading conspiracy theories and other assorted crap than anything we’ve had before. If you lack the background and context to evaluate information about a particular subject, you’re highly likely to be misinformed if you do a simple Google search and just start reading whatever comes up first. And that describes an awful lot of people. [/INDENT] We tend to emphasize the most extreme anti-vax proponents here. But I assume there’s a much larger group of people without firm beliefs who nonetheless feel uncomfortable with vaccination to the point of postponing a trip to the pediatrician or clinic to get the kid his shots. As Drum noted, some lack the context to evaluate information or separate out conspiracy nuts or assorted crackpots. They can’t distinguish expertise from pseudo-expertise and sometimes statements by various authority figures only adds to their paranoia. [It’s a puzzle](http://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/conspiracy-theories-and-other-dangerous-ideas-cass-r-sunstein/1115892755?ean=9781476726625), not limited to the US. And it can at times affect the highly educated, though I have to assume/hope that English majors are more susceptible than STEM folks. ---
**Author:** ![WhyNot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c77e96/32.png) [@WhyNot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WhyNot)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2015, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/disneyland-measles-outbreak/710529/214 "2015-01-27T01:04:24Z")
> [@AnaMen](#): > > Exactly… I am most interested in my own child’s welfare, also interested in my child friends and relatives and children of friends, and less interested (though still interested) in the welfare of children who are complete strangers to me. > I’m not more concerned about strangers who are the kids of smart people dying from other people’s negligence than strangers who are the kids of negligent parents dying, and I see no logical reason why I should be. > If children were property of some sort, then I’d agree with your logic… Not to imply that you believe children are property; I’m sure you do not. I’m sorry, I’m really not trying to be a pain in the ass here. But I just cannot parse this post. Could you try rephrasing it, so I don’t end up creating a strawman to argue against? ---
**Author:** ![LavenderBlue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e95f7d/32.png) [@LavenderBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LavenderBlue)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2015, 1:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/disneyland-measles-outbreak/710529/215 "2015-01-27T01:29:09Z")
> [@WhyNot](#): > > I’m sorry, I’m really not trying to be a pain in the ass here. But I just cannot parse this post. Could you try rephrasing it, so I don’t end up creating a strawman to argue against? It probably reads better if you’ve had a few drinks first. ---
**Author:** ![Enginerd](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/bcef8e/32.png) [@Enginerd](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Enginerd)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2015, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/disneyland-measles-outbreak/710529/216 "2015-01-27T01:35:15Z")
> [@AnaMen](#): > > Exactly… I am most interested in my own child’s welfare, also interested in my child friends and relatives and children of friends, and less interested (though still interested) in the welfare of children who are complete strangers to me. > I’m not more concerned about strangers who are the kids of smart people dying from other people’s negligence than strangers who are the kids of negligent parents dying, and I see no logical reason why I should be. > If children were property of some sort, then I’d agree with your logic… Not to imply that you believe children are property; I’m sure you do not. Do you just not get that the effectiveness of the vaccine in your child, in your child’s friends, and in the children of your friends and relatives depends in part on the herd immunity that is only developed when the vast majority of the population is vaccinated? ---
**Author:** ![AnaMen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dfb087/32.png) [@AnaMen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AnaMen)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2015, 2:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/disneyland-measles-outbreak/710529/217 "2015-01-27T02:50:22Z")
> [@WhyNot](#): > > I’m sorry, I’m really not trying to be a pain in the ass here. But I just cannot parse this post. Could you try rephrasing it, so I don’t end up creating a strawman to argue against? I will try. As is typical, my own child’s well-being and safety is more important to me than than the well-being of all other children. Next in the hierarchy are other children that I know and care about. Third are children that are complete strangers. Of course I get the most control over the safety of my own child. I can bolt my TV to the wall properly and get vaccinations. If I’m extremely concerned, I can even get titers done for some diseases to confirm immunity and get extra boosters accordingly. I have little say in the safety of the next tier, but I can attempt to exert some influence or help bolt TVs to the wall. The third tier children, children that are strangers… Well, I’d rather none die, of course, but if I happen to see on the news or whatever that a tot has died, what’s it to me if he died from measles because he was infected by an unvaccinated child even though he was vaccinated himself or if he was smashed by an unsecured TV? As far as I’m concerned, both deaths should have been preventable, but actually the TV smashing death was actually _more_ preventable, since people don’t put up such a fuss about how attaching the TV to the wall might harm their child, so we ought to be able to at least cut down on THOSE deaths, because who is even fighting against it? Instead, they apparently increase drastically every year. In both cases, a random child has died because of an adult’s negligence. Neither child was property, but a person unto themselves. I don’t care more about protecting the vaccinated child than unvaccinated children. ---
**Author:** ![AnaMen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dfb087/32.png) [@AnaMen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AnaMen)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2015, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/disneyland-measles-outbreak/710529/218 "2015-01-27T02:53:19Z")
> [@Enginerd](#): > > Do you just not get that the effectiveness of the vaccine in your child, in your child’s friends, and in the children of your friends and relatives depends in part on the herd immunity that is only developed when the vast majority of the population is vaccinated? Do you not get that I want them all to be vaccinated? ---
**Author:** ![China\_Guy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/779978/32.png) [@China\_Guy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/China_Guy)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2015, 3:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/disneyland-measles-outbreak/710529/219 "2015-01-27T03:07:50Z")
Nope. ---
**Author:** ![LavenderBlue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e95f7d/32.png) [@LavenderBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LavenderBlue)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2015, 3:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/disneyland-measles-outbreak/710529/220 "2015-01-27T03:20:09Z")
> [@AnaMen](#): > > Do you not get that I want them all to be vaccinated? Do you not get that your proposed methods (the full of lies Dr. Sears’s schedule and advertising) are both ineffective and likely to do nothing more than increase the number of anti-vaxers? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/disneyland-measles-outbreak/710529.md?page=10) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/disneyland-measles-outbreak/710529.md?page=12)