# Disneyland Measles Outbreak **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 21, 2015, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/disneyland-measles-outbreak/710529 "2015-01-21T23:14:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 13
**Author:** ![AnaMen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dfb087/32.png) [@AnaMen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AnaMen)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2015, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/disneyland-measles-outbreak/710529/241 "2015-01-27T20:17:24Z")
> [@LavenderBlue](#): > > That’s because you are smugly obfuscating what Sears says. You’re a jerk like him. > > [Here](http://www.ocregister.com/articles/parents-649295-county-vaccines.html) he is again pandering to morons: > > It is not “discrimination” to refuse to be around others who put people directly at risk from extremely contagious diseases. There is no “somewhere in the middle.” Either you can, like just about all people, get vaccinated without problems or you cannot because of medical reasons. If you can’t because the vaccines don’t work or you have a compromised immune system, then you need to take appropriate precautions. If you deliberately refuse to take precautions then we don’t need to listen or be loving or kind to you. We need to isolate you and your kids so you don’t harm other people. > > He’s an asshole who tells morons what they want to hear and directly endangers lives in the process. He and you should be ashamed of yourselves. Now how can I be a jerk when you already called me a fabulous person? And here I was going to return the compliment and give you kudos for writing your book, even though people have apparently meanly called you names for saying things they disagree with and it seems to have rubbed off on you. I am quite sure that an excess of love and kindness is not causing big problems for the world, and I am not ashamed of expressing my opinions or being “too nice” to any “morons.” ---
**Author:** ![LavenderBlue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e95f7d/32.png) [@LavenderBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LavenderBlue)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2015, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/disneyland-measles-outbreak/710529/242 "2015-01-27T20:40:59Z")
It is not loving or kind to treat adults like children and lie to them about science. It is certainly nice to allow people to spread nasty diseases to others. ---
**Author:** ![AnaMen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dfb087/32.png) [@AnaMen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AnaMen)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2015, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/disneyland-measles-outbreak/710529/243 "2015-01-27T20:53:50Z")
Yeah, the book isn’t like that though… It doesn’t even have any pictures! ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2015, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/disneyland-measles-outbreak/710529/244 "2015-01-27T21:15:08Z")
Wasn’t “Smug Obfuscator” a song by Sade? Never did like that one much. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2015, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/disneyland-measles-outbreak/710529/245 "2015-01-27T21:41:25Z")
> [@AnaMen](#): > > Here perhaps is a reason for some of your fury: your product is in direct competition with his product. In a general sense, that is. Your product did not seem to be present in my local bookstore, while his was, sorry. You complain about his motive being to sell books and exert influence. Mightn’t someone make the same accusation to any author of a book in that section? And this is the classic example of the immoral person who can’t think beyond his own immorality. People go on and on about what the real problem is, but he can’t fathom that they’d actually care all that much about the lives of other people, so it must be about money and influence. This is about world health. The reason Sears is bad is not because he values money or influence, it’s because he’s putting this above world health. People are dying because he is giving legitimacy to a completely untenable position, one that has been scientifically debunked. Seriously, dude. If you think this is about money, then fuck you. ---
**Author:** ![LavenderBlue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e95f7d/32.png) [@LavenderBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LavenderBlue)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2015, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/disneyland-measles-outbreak/710529/246 "2015-01-27T21:48:52Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > And this is the classic example of the immoral person who can’t think beyond his own immorality. People go on and on about what the real problem is, but he can’t fathom that they’d actually care all that much about the lives of other people, so it must be about money and influence. > > This is about world health. The reason Sears is bad is not because he values money or influence, it’s because he’s putting this above world health. People are dying because he is giving legitimacy to a completely untenable position, one that has been scientifically debunked. > > Seriously, dude. If you think this is about money, then fuck you. Yeah. FYI, I donated my share of the profits from the book to [this](http://www.redcross.org/what-we-do/international-services/measles-initiative/) organization. ---
**Author:** ![Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bosda_di_chi_of_tricor/32/16845_2.png) [@Bosda\_Di\_Chi\_of\_Tricor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bosda_Di_Chi_of_Tricor)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2015, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/disneyland-measles-outbreak/710529/247 "2015-01-27T22:28:56Z")
By this time next year, we may see over a thousand dead from measles complications. It’s that contagious. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2015, 10:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/disneyland-measles-outbreak/710529/248 "2015-01-27T22:58:20Z")
Yep. There’s a [report of a measles case in Cook County, Illinois](http://wgntv.com/2015/01/27/case-of-measles-reported-in-suburban-cook-county/) (that’s the Chicago area, folks - you know, big metropolitan center, LOTS of people…) Exposed is an ER, a clinic, and a grocery store. Officials are telling people who suspect they may have measles to NOT go to an ER but contact the health department. Now, if we had a proper herd immunity this wouldn’t be a huge issue but since the anti-vaxxers have been vomiting their stupidity these past few dozen years you just KNOW this is going to spread. Shame, shame on those people. ---
**Author:** ![AnaMen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dfb087/32.png) [@AnaMen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AnaMen)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2015, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/disneyland-measles-outbreak/710529/249 "2015-01-27T23:35:51Z")
I’d expect these situations to cause an increase in vaccination rates. Hopefully adults also consider their own potential need of boosters. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2015, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/disneyland-measles-outbreak/710529/250 "2015-01-28T00:58:22Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > Seriously, dude. If you think this is about money, then fuck you. [Moderating] Saying “fuck you” to other posters is a violation of the Pit’s language rules. Please avoid doing this in the future. No warning issued. [/Moderating] ---
**Author:** ![LavenderBlue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e95f7d/32.png) [@LavenderBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LavenderBlue)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2015, 1:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/disneyland-measles-outbreak/710529/251 "2015-01-28T01:26:13Z")
How about the parents of the thirty babies [under isolation in LA?](http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-bay-area-babies-meassles-outbreak-20150126-story.html) Or this parent of a child who has [leukemia](http://www.npr.org/blogs/health/2015/01/27/381888697/to-protect-his-son-a-father-asks-school-to-bar-unvaccinated-children?utm_source=facebook.com&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=npr&utm_term=nprnews&utm_content=20150127) and wants to stop the unvaccinated from potentially killing his kid? I wonder how they feel about Dr. Sears and his stupid thoughts on this subject? Can we stop fucking around here? Don’t vaccinate, fine. You face the consequences. This may include being [barred](http://www.latimes.com/local/orangecounty/la-me-measles-huntington-beach-20150121-story.html#page=1) from school or certain employment or just plain social ostracism. It should not include listening to your idiotic thoughts on this subject and the doctor who panders to people like that. I know parents being scared not because they read some shit on the net and now fear “toxins,” but people who actually have to fear measles and other vaccine preventable illnesses because of such idiots. That’s really what turns some people into non-human beings. They get sacrificed so that idiots can be heard and courted. ---
**Author:** ![WhyNot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c77e96/32.png) [@WhyNot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WhyNot)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2015, 2:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/disneyland-measles-outbreak/710529/252 "2015-01-28T02:20:55Z")
> [@AnaMen](#): > > I’m sure that some anti-vaxxers could be using the book as such a tool, and yes, a book can be a dangerous thing, but I just don’t see that as huge cause for concern. To read this particular book and come away with your mind turned against vaccination is theoretically possible I guess, but it truly does describe the diseases very negatively, and the vaccines as almost entirely safe. You’d really have to be reading between the lines to decide the takeaway was that Dr. Sears says don’t vaccinate, and if you were inclined to do that it would be because you were purposely looking for that interpretation, in which case you are already an anti-vaxxer, so no extra harm done. > > I’m not familiar with Aviva Romm, is that an anti-vax author? She only has five books published. A quick google would have answered this far quicker than I could. [Vaccinations: A Thoughtful Parent’s Guide](http://avivaromm.com/books/vaccinations-a-thoughtful-parents-guide) She’s…another problematic author. (She’s also a very lovely person, who I have met and thoroughly enjoy, and the author of other books that I like very much.) She promotes a lot of myths in her book, particularly the ones that say vaccine preventable illnesses have a “natural life cycle” which created a decline that simply coincided with vaccination, and that sanitation was responsible for the declining mortality of vaccine preventable illnesses, not vaccines. It’s been a long time since I’ve read it, but those are the two that stick out in my memory as things I learned from her book that turn out to be wrong. She, like Sears, isn’t straight out anti-vax, but her book is used by a lot of antivaxxers to encourage others to become antivaxxers. ---
**Author:** ![Broomstick](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/broomstick/32/246_2.png) [@Broomstick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Broomstick)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2015, 3:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/disneyland-measles-outbreak/710529/253 "2015-01-28T03:40:53Z")
> [@AnaMen](#): > > I’d expect these situations to cause an increase in vaccination rates. > Hopefully adults also consider their own potential need of boosters. That’s an important point. Apparently the patient in the Chicago instance is an adult, so maybe that person wasn’t vaccinated or maybe it was a matter of waning immunity and need of a booster. That’s another reason to vaccinate as many people as possible, not everyone is going to have a good response to the vaccine so they, too, would benefit from herd immunity. Another stupid thing is a sort of resistance on the part of doctors to adults needing boosters for childhood illness vaccines. I think part of it was that back in the day a vaccinated adult typically still came into contact with people with the disease, acting as a natural booster so immunity didn’t degrade back then as it does now. While there are tests for whether or not immunity still exists (“titer”) there’s a cost associated with doing them, as with any medical test, and if insurance doesn’t cover it then the patient has to bear the cost, which might be an issue for a lot of people. Or we could just give folks a booster after X number of years - but, again, that hasn’t been the norm so I doubt US insurance would cover it, and full price on vaccinations may be a problem for the working poor. ---
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2015, 7:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/disneyland-measles-outbreak/710529/254 "2015-01-28T07:36:24Z")
> [@AnaMen](#): > > Now how can I be a jerk when you already called me a fabulous person? > And here I was going to return the compliment and give you kudos for writing your book, even though people have apparently meanly called you names for saying things they disagree with and it seems to have rubbed off on you. > I am quite sure that an excess of love and kindness is not causing big problems for the world, and I am not ashamed of expressing my opinions or being “too nice” to any “morons.” Jesus, dude, they covered _this_ issue in _My Little Pony_. No, seriously. Friendship is Magic, Season 4, episode 16, where the aesop moral was pretty damn obvious - sometimes, being nice to people and letting them do what they want hurts them in the long run. Go watch it, it might help inform you about reality. Yes, the show with the freakin’ magic talking horses. When we’re too nice to morons, those morons get it in their heads that what they’re doing is something acceptable or decent. It’s not. Choosing not to vaccinate your child is _not okay_. Choosing to “hide in the herd” is _not okay_. Compromising the incredible strides made in abolishing these infectious diseases out of sheer bloody-mindedness and inability to understand science is _not okay_. Being [this bitch](http://www.theonion.com/articles/i-dont-vaccinate-my-child-because-its-my-right-to,37839/) (the only difference between her and the typical anti-vaxxer is intent) is _not okay_. It needs to be a social sin not to have your child vaccinated. People afraid of toxins should be just as afraid of being drummed out of every social interaction they’re a part of. It should be a social sin on a similar order of magnitude to saying “Oh, you know, I fuck barnyard animals” when asked about your hobbies at a mixer. When you hear “Oh, I don’t vaccinate”, your immediate response should be “Are you serious? What the fuck is wrong with you? Why would you freely admit this? You’re an idiot, stay away from my child you Typhoid-Mary-enabling sicko.” Of course, people who fuck goats at least have the decency not to make life worse for the rest of us. It’s weird, but it doesn’t hurt other _people_. Antivaxxers don’t even have that pleasant distinction. ---
**Author:** ![LavenderBlue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e95f7d/32.png) [@LavenderBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LavenderBlue)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2015, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/disneyland-measles-outbreak/710529/255 "2015-01-28T14:28:29Z")
[This](https://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2008/10/20/dr-jay-gordon-pediatrician-warrior/) is Dr. Jay Gordon. He’s Jenny McCarthy’s pediatrician. Yeah _that_ Jenny. This is what he had to say today: > [@](#): > > [Doctor explains why he lets kids avoid the measles vaccine - CBS News](http://www.cbsnews.com/news/doctor-explains-why-he-lets-kids-avoid-the-measles-vaccine/) > > “This measles outbreak does not pose a great risk to a healthy child,” said Dr. Gordon. “And quite frankly I don’t think it poses any risk to a healthy child.” ---
**Author:** ![AnaMen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dfb087/32.png) [@AnaMen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AnaMen)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2015, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/disneyland-measles-outbreak/710529/256 "2015-01-28T14:33:04Z")
> [@WhyNot](#): > > She only has five books published. A quick google would have answered this far quicker than I could. [Vaccinations: A Thoughtful Parent’s Guide](http://avivaromm.com/books/vaccinations-a-thoughtful-parents-guide) > > She’s…another problematic author. (She’s also a very lovely person, who I have met and thoroughly enjoy, and the author of other books that I like very much.) She promotes a lot of myths in her book, particularly the ones that say vaccine preventable illnesses have a “natural life cycle” which created a decline that simply coincided with vaccination, and that sanitation was responsible for the declining mortality of vaccine preventable illnesses, not vaccines. It’s been a long time since I’ve read it, but those are the two that stick out in my memory as things I learned from her book that turn out to be wrong. > > She, like Sears, isn’t straight out anti-vax, but her book is used by a lot of antivaxxers to encourage others to become antivaxxers. I asked who she was with the assumption that your answer would include why you brought her up, which it did. It’s interesting that you have met her and describe her as a lovely person. My non-vaxxing friends are also lovely people. The idea that the proper reaction to them is insulting them, shunning them, rage, and hostility and that any actual children in question should be quarantined as collateral damage is crazy. I’m not going to purposely participate in creating a hostile environment for anyone out of whatever misguided sense leads someone to think that’s a great idea. When one encounters members of a group only in the context of them insulting, being hostile and threatening you because they disagree with your stance on a topic, writing off the whole group as assholes who need to be insulted, ignored, and punished is the obvious choice. I’m sure if I encountered **LavenderBlue** under neutral circumstances, she would not behave hostilely or call me names either. It’s easy to write off a group of nameless faceless “bad guys” that must be stopped from indirectly harming others at any cost, but if you encounter actual nice people, talking to them like human beings makes more sense. When someone says “I’m worried about what effect some of the chemicals in the vaccination could have on my baby. My friend’s baby died after getting vaccinated and I’m scared,” I’m not an asshole for not ordering them out of my home. What kind of a crazy fucked-up dystopia holds that up as the standard? ---
**Author:** ![AnaMen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dfb087/32.png) [@AnaMen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AnaMen)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2015, 2:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/disneyland-measles-outbreak/710529/257 "2015-01-28T14:44:58Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > Jesus, dude, they covered _this_ issue in _My Little Pony_. No, seriously. Friendship is Magic, Season 4, episode 16, where the aesop moral was pretty damn obvious - sometimes, being nice to people and letting them do what they want hurts them in the long run. Go watch it, it might help inform you about reality. Yes, the show with the freakin’ magic talking horses. > > When we’re too nice to morons, those morons get it in their heads that what they’re doing is something acceptable or decent. It’s not. Choosing not to vaccinate your child is _not okay_. Choosing to “hide in the herd” is _not okay_. Compromising the incredible strides made in abolishing these infectious diseases out of sheer bloody-mindedness and inability to understand science is _not okay_. Being [this bitch](http://www.theonion.com/articles/i-dont-vaccinate-my-child-because-its-my-right-to,37839/) (the only difference between her and the typical anti-vaxxer is intent) is _not okay_. > > It needs to be a social sin not to have your child vaccinated. People afraid of toxins should be just as afraid of being drummed out of every social interaction they’re a part of. It should be a social sin on a similar order of magnitude to saying “Oh, you know, I fuck barnyard animals” when asked about your hobbies at a mixer. When you hear “Oh, I don’t vaccinate”, your immediate response should be “Are you serious? What the fuck is wrong with you? Why would you freely admit this? You’re an idiot, stay away from my child you Typhoid-Mary-enabling sicko.” Of course, people who fuck goats at least have the decency not to make life worse for the rest of us. It’s weird, but it doesn’t hurt other _people_. Antivaxxers don’t even have that pleasant distinction. No, I’m not watching your stupid pony cartoon for “life lessons.” Trying to give preschoolers life-lessons via stories is to give them a head start on learning things that they haven’t actually been around long enough to notice for themselves yet. Since I have been living in the actual real world for decades, there is no useful information for me in preschool programming. No matter how much time you’ve spent crouched in front of Care Bears or Teletubbies or whatever in your mom’s basement, any lessons that haven’t sunken in yet never will. It’s time to put away the footy-jammies, cast aside your binky, come above ground. The sun is pretty bright and the ponies don’t talk, but you’ll get used to it. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2015, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/disneyland-measles-outbreak/710529/258 "2015-01-28T15:34:48Z")
> [@AnaMen](#): > > No, I’m not watching your stupid pony cartoon for “life lessons.” The point was that the lesson that cartoon gives is smarter than many adults that follow pseudoscience or that are not willing to learn something new. And it is the same lesson that grown ups with authority are telling us. > [@AnaMen](#): > > Trying to give preschoolers life-lessons via stories is to give them a head start on learning things that they haven’t actually been around long enough to notice for themselves yet. Since I have been living in the actual real world for decades, there is no useful information for me in preschool programming. Like I said… 🙂 True story: Once I had to setup a virtual machine in a Linux environment and the best teacher I found for a step that was giving me trouble was a little kid explaining it better than many adults did on an internet video. The point here is that even seemingly childish things have great lessons, and the best entertainment for kids usually does riff of what expert adults tell to others or to the kids. > [@AnaMen](#): > > No matter how much time you’ve spent crouched in front of Care Bears or Teletubbies or whatever in your mom’s basement, any lessons that haven’t sunken in yet never will. It’s time to put away the footy-jammies, cast aside your binky, come above ground. The sun is pretty bright and the ponies don’t talk, but you’ll get used to it. That is nice, but you are only being contradictory. Are you giving advice to others and \*\*omitting \*\*the anti-vaxxers that should go out to learn better or [remain crouched to their plushy toys](http://www.giantmicrobes.com/us/products/measles.html)? You are only defending efforts to protect them from inconvenient information or regulations. ---
**Author:** ![LavenderBlue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e95f7d/32.png) [@LavenderBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LavenderBlue)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2015, 3:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/disneyland-measles-outbreak/710529/259 "2015-01-28T15:51:23Z")
> [@AnaMen](#): > > I asked who she was with the assumption that your answer would include why you brought her up, which it did > It’s interesting that you have met her and describe her as a lovely person. My non-vaxxing friends are also lovely people. The idea that the proper reaction to them is insulting them, shunning them, rage, and hostility and that any actual children in question should be quarantined as collateral damage is crazy. I’m not going to purposely participate in creating a hostile environment for anyone out of whatever misguided sense leads someone to think that’s a great idea. > When one encounters members of a group only in the context of them insulting, being hostile and threatening you because they disagree with your stance on a topic, writing off the whole group as assholes who need to be insulted, ignored, and punished is the obvious choice. > I’m sure if I encountered **LavenderBlue** under neutral circumstances, she would not behave hostilely or call me names either. It’s easy to write off a group of nameless faceless “bad guys” that must be stopped from indirectly harming others at any cost, but if you encounter actual nice people, talking to them like human beings makes more sense. When someone says “I’m worried about what effect some of the chemicals in the vaccination could have on my baby. My friend’s baby died after getting vaccinated and I’m scared,” I’m not an asshole for not ordering them out of my home. What kind of a crazy fucked-up dystopia holds that up as the standard? Are you kidding me with this crap? This isn’t a disagreement. This isn’t how you feel about something. This is deliberate refusal to engage in public health measures to prevent the spread of a dangerous and contagious disease. I’m not interested in hearing from someone who is so stupid that she thinks vaccines contain dangerous chemicals and kill people. I’m interested in making sure she doesn’t infect other people with something that could kill people. Really. I don’t give a shit that you think that you can make nice-nice with measles by washing your hands or eating organic and not being one of those filthy third worlders who don’t really matter. I’m interested in making sure that that you don’t infect me or my family or my kids with measles or any other vaccine-preventable disease. You refuse vaccines? You want to act like a child who wants to pretend he can do whatever he wants without consequences? Okay. Fine. When there’s a measles outbreak you go sit the corner. You stay there while the grownups combat it. You get a time out not because we’re big meany poopy heads. You get one so your kid and my kid and the neighbor with cancer don’t get preventable diseases. That’s not discrimination. That’s not a dystopia. That’s not writing people off. It’s protecting public health. You are fucked up and so are the people you are so pitifully defending. ---
**Author:** ![Catamount](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/catamount/32/2840_2.png) [@Catamount](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Catamount)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2015, 4:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/disneyland-measles-outbreak/710529/260 "2015-01-28T16:36:15Z")
> [@LavenderBlue](#): > > 1. He says that getting chickenpox naturally is better than getting the shot against it. His concern is that the live virus will shift to adults where the disease is more serious. This is misleading at best and ignores the fact that other live virus vaccines such as the MMR have not borne this fear out. In other words, it is a lie. Would anyone care for some shingles? One of my medical fears is that I’ll end up with shingles one day because I was That Kid in kindergarten who came down with chicken pox first and gave it to the whole class. And then I brought it home and gave it to Oldest Sister who was fifteen. That was thirty years ago and she still hasn’t forgiven me. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/disneyland-measles-outbreak/710529.md?page=12) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/disneyland-measles-outbreak/710529.md?page=14)