# Disneyland Measles Outbreak **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 21, 2015, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/disneyland-measles-outbreak/710529 "2015-01-21T23:14:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 12\ **Page:** 16
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2015, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/disneyland-measles-outbreak/710529/301 "2015-01-29T21:49:12Z")
> [@AnaMen](#): > > Don’t worry, I even got the flu one this year, so as not to expose immunocompromised patients. Then I withdraw my snark. Thank you. ---
**Author:** ![GrandWino](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grandwino/32/67_2.png) [@GrandWino](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GrandWino)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2015, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/disneyland-measles-outbreak/710529/302 "2015-01-29T21:55:23Z")
Any illness felt after a flu shot is just confirmation bias. Unless you’re allergic to eggs. The flu shot this year was a bad match to the actual flu viruses that hit the hardest. They do their best to predict which viruses to protect against each year and oftentimes they miss the target. ---
**Author:** ![Catamount](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/catamount/32/2840_2.png) [@Catamount](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Catamount)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2015, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/disneyland-measles-outbreak/710529/303 "2015-01-29T22:21:11Z")
> [@jsgoddess](#): > > I’ll point anyone debating AnaMen to [this](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=16747138&postcount=135): > > > [@](#): > > > > The only year I got the flu shot, I also got the flu. The vaccination did not cause the flu, which occurred several weeks later, but it certainly didn’t prevent it, and the shot definitely made me feel crummy for a couple of days after I got it. I did not know it at the time, but I have an autoimmune disorder. > > You’re not going to win this one with evidence and intelligence. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! I needed that laugh, thanks. ---
**Author:** ![AnaMen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/dfb087/32.png) [@AnaMen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AnaMen)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2015, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/disneyland-measles-outbreak/710529/304 "2015-01-29T22:21:36Z")
> [@GrandWino](#): > > Any illness felt after a flu shot is just confirmation bias. Unless you’re allergic to eggs. Not so: soreness, swelling, fever, and aches are fully acknowledged to be common side effects. [http://www.cdc.gov/flu/protect/keyfacts.htm](http://www.cdc.gov/flu/protect/keyfacts.htm) ---
**Author:** ![slalexan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e47c2d/32.png) [@slalexan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/slalexan)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2015, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/disneyland-measles-outbreak/710529/305 "2015-01-30T14:11:02Z")
So I was just scrolling along on Facebook when I came across this [blog post.](http://vaccineimpact.com/2015/arizona-cardiologist-responds-to-critics-regarding-measles-and-vaccines/#sthash.6YRL81Zv.bjAr60lK) it was written by a cardiologist about what people should really be angry about when it comes to vaccines. Most of his points seem to start of coherently but then they spiral off into crazy land. For example, he states that parents should be angry that food manufacturers are adding excess sugar to foods. That makes sense. We should fight against added sugars. And then He states that children who died from chicken pox would not have met that fate of their parents had fed them better food. Yeah. More doctors with the weight of their credentials behind their words spreading false information. This guy is particularly accusatory as well. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2015, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/disneyland-measles-outbreak/710529/306 "2015-01-30T16:52:48Z")
> [@slalexan](#): > > So I was just scrolling along on Facebook when I came across this [blog post.](http://vaccineimpact.com/2015/arizona-cardiologist-responds-to-critics-regarding-measles-and-vaccines/#sthash.6YRL81Zv.bjAr60lK) it was written by a cardiologist about what people should really be angry about when it comes to vaccines. For someone who supposedly is lamenting all the “anger” about his numbnuts antivax arguments, Wolfson sure seems like a very angry guy. Excellent takedown of Mr. Paleo-Cardiologist [here](http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2015/01/30/antivaccine-cardiologist-jack-wolfson-and-the-resurrection-of-false-balance-about-vaccines/). I think these guys don’t really mind all the negative attention they get for their dumbassery. Anything that gets them press and TV coverage is good - it leads to more business from the clueless and above all, more ego gratification. ---
**Author:** ![Catamount](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/catamount/32/2840_2.png) [@Catamount](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Catamount)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2015, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/disneyland-measles-outbreak/710529/307 "2015-01-30T19:26:19Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > Excellent takedown of Mr. Paleo-Cardiologist [here](http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2015/01/30/antivaccine-cardiologist-jack-wolfson-and-the-resurrection-of-false-balance-about-vaccines/). That is indeed a most excellent takedown. Especially this snippet quoted from Mr. Angry Cardiologist’s website: > [@](#): > > **There are three main causes of disease and genetics is not one of them**. Our ancestors from 50,000 years ago had the same genes but did not have the diseases of today. The bullshit is strong with this one, young padawan. ---
**Author:** ![Jackmannii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jackmannii/32/311_2.png) [@Jackmannii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackmannii)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2015, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/disneyland-measles-outbreak/710529/308 "2015-01-30T20:47:02Z")
Wolfson is bad news. His wife, incredibly, is worse. [Far worse.](http://wolfsonintegrativecardiology.com/anti-vaccine/) ---
**Author:** ![Catamount](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/catamount/32/2840_2.png) [@Catamount](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Catamount)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2015, 9:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/disneyland-measles-outbreak/710529/309 "2015-01-30T21:54:09Z")
> [@Jackmannii](#): > > Wolfson is bad news. > > His wife, incredibly, is worse. > > [Far worse.](http://wolfsonintegrativecardiology.com/anti-vaccine/) What, are they giving away M.D.s in boxes of Cracker Jacks these days? How come I never get that prize? All I ever get is a stupid fold-in thing. ---
**Author:** ![Kolga](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/e56c9b/32.png) [@Kolga](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kolga)\ **Post date:** [January 30, 2015, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/disneyland-measles-outbreak/710529/310 "2015-01-30T23:41:00Z")
> [@SpazCat](#): > > What, are they giving away M.D.s in boxes of Cracker Jacks these days? How come I never get that prize? All I ever get is a stupid fold-in thing. His wife is a chiroquack, not an M.D. They ARE giving those degrees away to basically anyone. ---
**Author:** ![psychobunny](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/54ee81/32.png) [@psychobunny](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/psychobunny)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2015, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/disneyland-measles-outbreak/710529/311 "2015-01-31T02:24:54Z")
These people are not just anti-vaccine nuts, they are horrible, horrible people. From the link above, regarding a mother whose 6 year old daughter died from chicken pox (and was found at autopsy to have been born without a spleen): > [@](#): > > While the death of any child is a travesty, this one could have been prevented, not with injecting more chemicals into this young girl, but with good nutrition and chemical avoidance. She was likely fed GMO, sugar, gluten, soy, corn, and other items that led to her demise. > [@](#): > > First of all, the little girl was born without a spleen therefore she was immunocompromised since birth. The lack of this vital organ was probably caused by some drug the mother took while pregnant! > [@](#): > > mom fed her garbage food and exposed her to thousands of chemicals. This little girl is dead, not from chicken pox, but from chemicals and poor nutrition. I am having trouble controlling my anger. This little girl would likely have been protected by immunization, and even if unable to mount an immune response because of her lack of a spleen (although that relates more to bacteria than viruses), the presence of herd immunity could have protected her. Instead these awful idiots blame her mother. ---
**Author:** ![psychobunny](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/54ee81/32.png) [@psychobunny](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/psychobunny)\ **Post date:** [January 31, 2015, 2:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/disneyland-measles-outbreak/710529/312 "2015-01-31T02:35:53Z")
Also, as far as 80 year olds with polio go, I invite them to visit my office where they will encounter not only polio survivors who have lived all their lives with crippling deformities, weakness and pain but also, unfortunately, polio survivors who now have to deal with the additional weakness and pain of post-polio syndrome. I can only imagine that this doctor’s patients don’t make it to 80 with or without polio. There’s little worse than an elderly polio survivor who has had the strength and fortitude to overcome a crippling disease, living an entire life with a withered limb, or a limp and has overcome it and thrived, to then 40 or 50 years later develop another bout of crippling weakness and be informed that they have to relive the childhood trauma all over again except that this time they are elderly and the disease is progressive and they are less likely to have a successful rehabilitation. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/disneyland-measles-outbreak/710529.md?page=15)