You seem to be confusing me with some other people. When did I say I wash my hands? Or eat organic food? Or don’t care about people in less-developed countries? Or set public health policy?
Enjoy feeding your self-righteous high and whipping yourself into a frenzy until you wear yourself out. Maybe you’ll feel better after a nap.
Oh shut up already. You alternate between smug and dumb. For someone who seems hell bent on defending the anti-vaxers, you sure don’t seem to spend much time interacting with them. That is how they think. They’ll eat organic, wash their hands and the measles won’t bother them so no vax necessary.
Why don’t you tell my friend Stacy to calm down. Go on.
I “seem” the way you think I seem because that’s your viewpoint.
Now I should spend more time with anti-vaxxers? I thought they were supposed to anger and terrify me and should be avoided so as not to catch anything?
And why would I tell Stacy to calm down? She’s not hurling insults or ranting at me. If she’s in a hysterical frenzy of some sort, then she should indeed calm down, but I have no reason to suspect that that is the case.
You seem the way you do because you are writing really dumb posts here defending people who do dumb things. Dumb contagious things. And then telling us who object to such actions that we’re being crazy and overreacting.
That’s your interpretation of what I said, based, it seems, on what other people who you think are “like me” have said to you in the past. I’m sorry you have been hurt by threats and insults for writing your book, but that doesn’t make it okay or constructive to take your pain and frustration out on someone who has nothing to do with that.
I have not said you are crazy or overreacting for objecting to anything. You are ranting and insulting, not objecting. Like I said, you are in the right place to rant, I guess, so go for it, but it seems pretty crazy that you think rejecting compassion and sympathy for fellow human beings makes you one of the “good guys.” Feeling the need to be harsh to “fight evil” certainly has historical precedent, but I hope never to resign myself to this belief.
Anyway, I already know you think I’m a fabulous person, as I do vaccinate, so I’m just going to enjoy my pat on the back.
You have anymore unworkable ideas you want to share with the class? Or are you just going to whine that people are ranting in a place designed for such behavior?
Compassion and sympathy isn’t patting stupid people on the back and letting them spread disease. You think you’re so much better but all you’re doing is proposing methods that don’t work and letting others spread infectious diseases. That’s not very fabulous at all.
Forgive the intrusion, everyone, but I have a vaccine related question and I didn’t want to open a new thread while this one was so active.
Anti-vaxxers like to argue that vaccines are dangerous because they contain adjuvant chemicals like aluminium and formaldehyde. Now, it’s common knowledge that the amounts of those chemicals in the shots is negligible. For instance, there is far more formaldehyde in, say, a pear than there is in a vaccine. However, anti-vaxxers typically allege that the formaldehyde in a vaccine is far more dangerous to infants than the formaldehyde in any food because it is injected intramuscularly, rather than ingested. Now, I do not see why this should be and it seems to me that this is a claim for them to prove rather than for us to debunk. However, as we all know, asking an anti-vaxxer to prove anything is like asking a snail to kick a puddle up a hill. For my future reference does anybody know of any quick and easy rebuttals to this claim?
Here’s a chart that explains this allegation from a group I belong to online. Hope that helps!
My husband the chemical engineer starts laughing himself silly when I show him people who will say that the vaccine is bad because it contains “artificial formaldehyde.”
Your ideas are a) whining about rudeness in the pit, b) advertising that does NOT work and complaining that we are," insulting . . . shunning . . . [and showing] hostility" to such people. Also idiotically asserting, “that any actual children in question should be quarantined as collateral damage is crazy.”
You have ego not ideas. Is quarantining kids who can’t get vaccinated when an outbreak happens also crazy? Why the hell shouldn’t a kid who hasn’t been vaccinated be removed from a potential source of infection? Why do you care more about honoring a bad parenting decision than protecting kids from diseases like measles?
Actually, from where I sit you are in fact acting both condescendingly and idiotically. There is a point where one has to, for the safety of the greater whole, stop coddling ignorance and misinformation. During a disease outbreak is one of those times.
How about the fact that the human body produces formaldehyde as a part of normal metabolism? The human body has a means of detoxifying and eliminating those small amounts that are a natural part of metabolism, and these processes work in infants as well as adults. The amount present, if any, in a vaccination is swiftly dealt with by the human body.
I haven’t studied anamen’s other thread posts, but I for one would not be surprised if he turns out to be a zit faced 14 year dork wanking over this thread. Jus’ sayin’
Broomstick and LavenderBlue have provided great information, but the actual quick and easy rebuttal is to say, “Fuck you and yours for making innocent kids suffer, your knowledge is bullshit and nothing I can say will change that.” Then pop a wheelie on a rad motorbike and ride into the sunset while flipping them off and kissing a pretty person on the mouth.
Quick and easy for you, that is. Save your sanity, accept they’re a lost cause, and go and fly a kite or something relaxing (unless there’s no wind because then you’ll be all, “fuck this lame kite shit”).
You can’t reason somebody out of a position they didn’t reason themselves into. I learnt that from this forum.
“So what’s the most (formaldehyde from vaccines) a child might get in a single office visit? That would probably be at their 6 month visit (when they are, on average, 16.5lbs or 7.5kg) with HepB, DTaP, IPV and flu, for a total of 307.5μg. That is about 160 times less than the total amount their body naturally produces every single day*. Compare that to the 428.4-1,516.4μg of formaldehyde in a single apple.”
“The aluminum contained in vaccines is similar to that found in a liter (about 1 quart or 32 fluid ounces) of infant formula. While infants receive about 4.4 milligrams* of aluminum in the first six months of life from vaccines, they receive more than that in their diet. Breast-fed infants ingest about 7 milligrams, formula-fed infants ingest about 38 milligrams, and infants who are fed soy formula ingest almost 117 milligrams of aluminum during the same period.”
And as noted earlier, these tiny amounts of vaccine “toxins” are routinely and safely processed by the body, regardless of whether they are ingested or injected.
You can’t really think that a few weak test instances of “marketing” not working means that marketing simply doesn’t work.
The existence of a failed ad campaign does not mean no ad campaigns are ever successful.
Teams of skilled, experienced, and creative people spend many, many hours putting together successful marketing efforts for things like consumer products. A CDC worker or professor drawing up a pamphlet or choosing a photo of a sick baby or whatever does not compare to a professional campaign. If it did, we would not have a $30 billion advertising industry that employs hundreds of thousands of people.
Forgive me if this has been covered, but I read the whole thing and I don’t remember seeing anyone address this. Would not the danger of “hiding in the herd” be that other people are not aware of the non-vaccinated status of these children, and so could not then take precautions to keep away from them? If, for example, there was an outbreak of measles or pertussis going around, and a person knew that someone’s kids were not vaccinated, wouldn’t it be useful information so they could keep their own kids away? Shouldn’t the school these children attend be aware of their non-vaccinated status, so they can keep them out of school when there is a known disease threat?
Unless you’ve faked your child’s vaccination records, the school would be aware of a child’s unvaccinated status. I believe all fifty US states require vaccinations (though exactly which ones are required varies by state) for public kindergarten enrollment, all fifty states allow for exemption by medical waiver, 48 allow for exemption for religious reasons, and less than half allow for exemption for philosophical reasons. So you must submit proof of vaccinations or go on record (exactly how varies by state) as an exemption.
A school “outing” a child’s vaccination status sounds like a potential HIPAA and privacy violation.