# Disney's "Encanto" (OPEN SPOILERS after first post) **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** disney-hulu\ **Created:** [December 24, 2021, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/disneys-encanto-open-spoilers-after-first-post/956601 "2021-12-24T19:03:07Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2022, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/disneys-encanto-open-spoilers-after-first-post/956601/41 "2022-01-18T18:00:49Z")
I didn’t realize until I rewatched it that during the “Bruno” song you actually _see_ him dancing upstairs. It’s when Dolores is doing her part-he’s on the upstairs balcony. Unless that was the shapeshifter kid? ---
**Author:** ![ekedolphin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ekedolphin/32/10003_2.png) [@ekedolphin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ekedolphin)\ **Post date:** [January 18, 2022, 7:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/disneys-encanto-open-spoilers-after-first-post/956601/42 "2022-01-18T19:13:57Z")
People have asked the director whether that was Bruno or Camilo, and he says he likes the debate too much to tell the answer. ---
**Author:** ![ekedolphin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ekedolphin/32/10003_2.png) [@ekedolphin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ekedolphin)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2022, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/disneys-encanto-open-spoilers-after-first-post/956601/43 "2022-01-24T03:22:58Z")
It could just be my particular Facebook algorithm, but _Encanto’s_ popularity seems to have exploded. In any event, it’s unquestionable that “We Don’t Talk About Bruno” has reached a higher spot on the Billboard Top 100 than even “Let It Go”. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2022, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/disneys-encanto-open-spoilers-after-first-post/956601/44 "2022-01-24T16:50:49Z")
We need to talk about Luisa. > [@ekedolphin](#): > > I empathized with Luisa the most, as someone who’s often had to be the strong one in my family. It’s hard sometimes, you know? I certainly don’t have her _physical_ gifts, but I feel the need to hold things in sometimes. Like how I was the strong one while my mother was bawling when we lost our apartment and had to give up our cats so they’d have a chance at a better life. > [@epbrown](#): > > Luisa’s song is the most moving, I’ll grant. It’s hit a ton of people right in the childhood. You aren’t alone. Luisa’s song “Surface Pressure” is resonating _hard_ with adults and kids alike. And they want Luisa merch. Which there isn’t a lot of. Apparently Disney’s marketing team completely called this one wrong, and in addition to protagonist Mirabel the merch team thought that girls would go hard for “perfectly pretty” Isabella. But it turns out that [it’s Luisa they love](https://www.piratesandprincesses.net/luisa-madrigal-has-become-incredibly-popular-with-many-encanto-fans/). One wonders if the merch team even watched the goddamn film. > [@](#): > > My daughter just asked for a Luisa themed bday party and literally everything encanto has Mirabels or Isabellas face on it. And I’m not in the financial situation to have everything custom made. Disney needs to step it up w/Luisa merch. > [@](#): > > My 3 year old son was playing with my daughter and he told me, i am strong, then i asked him, strong as Hulk? And he replied. No, strong as Luisa. The merchandising folks are rumored to be scrambling to meet the demand (that’s off Twitter, so usual caveats apply). Also, apparently the studio originally wanted Luisa to be yet another petite and pretty (but strong!) girl, and [the animators had to push for the swole woman we got](https://www.slashfilm.com/739453/the-fight-for-luisas-muscles-how-encanto-dispels-the-disney-tradition/). The world is changing, Disney. Keep up. ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [January 24, 2022, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/disneys-encanto-open-spoilers-after-first-post/956601/45 "2022-01-24T16:57:15Z")
> [@Gyrate](#): > > One wonders if the merch team even watched the goddamn film. The merchandize has to be ordered months before the movie is near the final state. Maybe longer given current supply chains. All they could’ve viewed was rough animation cuts and demo songs. Not that that excuses them–it’s their job to predict the market. ---
**Author:** ![Yookeroo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yookeroo/32/323_2.png) [@Yookeroo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yookeroo)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2022, 1:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/disneys-encanto-open-spoilers-after-first-post/956601/46 "2022-01-25T01:15:43Z")
> [@ekedolphin](#): > > It could just be my particular Facebook algorithm, but _Encanto’s_ popularity seems to have exploded. In any event, it’s unquestionable that “We Don’t Talk About Bruno” has reached a higher spot on the Billboard Top 100 than even “Let It Go”. I think Surface Pressure is in the top 20 too. With a couple of others in the Top 100. So, yeah, it’s exploded. ---
**Author:** ![ekedolphin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ekedolphin/32/10003_2.png) [@ekedolphin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ekedolphin)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2022, 2:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/disneys-encanto-open-spoilers-after-first-post/956601/47 "2022-01-25T02:00:53Z")
Bruno, Surface Pressure, Family Madrigal, Dos Orguitas, What Else Can I Do?, and even Waiting on a Miracle are all on the Hot 100. That’s two-thirds of the lyrical tracks on the entire soundtrack. The only three that are missing are Colombia, Mi Encanto; All of You; and the English-language version of Dos Orguitas. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2022, 1:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/disneys-encanto-open-spoilers-after-first-post/956601/48 "2022-01-26T13:37:49Z")
I still wish they’d put the Disney Hercules in her song, just for fun. Also: [https://www.google.com/amp/s/remezcla.com/film/encanto-directors-promise-more-luisa-aka-buff-lady/%3Famp](https://www.google.com/amp/s/remezcla.com/film/encanto-directors-promise-more-luisa-aka-buff-lady/%3famp) ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2022, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/disneys-encanto-open-spoilers-after-first-post/956601/49 "2022-01-26T14:19:40Z")
BTW, looking at the Wiki on the film, all the characters are a lot younger than I thought they were from watching the film. Mirabel is only 15 as is Camilo, Luisa is 19, and Isabella and Dolores 21. Antonio is only 5. I don’t recall their ages being mentioned in the film. Man - being told that you’re a failure constantly from age 5 to 15 would be devastating. Mirabel is less fucked up than most people would be under the circumstances. ---
**Author:** ![Andy\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c67d28/32.png) [@Andy\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andy_L)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2022, 2:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/disneys-encanto-open-spoilers-after-first-post/956601/50 "2022-01-26T14:33:34Z")
And being stuck in the room that’s explicitly for pre-kindergarten age kids for 10 more years has to be annoying as well. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2022, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/disneys-encanto-open-spoilers-after-first-post/956601/51 "2022-01-26T15:49:05Z")
Not just 10 years. It’s implied that if the events of the movie hadn’t happened, she would’ve been stuck in that room forever unless she moved out. ---
**Author:** ![Andy\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c67d28/32.png) [@Andy\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andy_L)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2022, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/disneys-encanto-open-spoilers-after-first-post/956601/52 "2022-01-26T17:05:40Z")
True. ---
**Author:** ![amarinth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3be4f8/32.png) [@amarinth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/amarinth)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2022, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/disneys-encanto-open-spoilers-after-first-post/956601/53 "2022-02-05T19:14:35Z")
> [@Love\_Rhombus](#): > > I didn’t realize until I rewatched it that during the “Bruno” song you actually _see_ him dancing upstairs. It’s when Dolores is doing her part-he’s on the upstairs balcony. Unless that was the shapeshifter kid? Finally watched it last night. And then rewatched just the song afterwards and realized that Dolores keeps saying she can “hear him now” and she means that literally. When I saw it the first time, I thought she meant figuratively, in a memory, or something. But no, she’s telling them that he’s in the walls - if they would just listen to her. Anyway, really liked the movie. ---
**Author:** ![Folly](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folly/32/3219_2.png) [@Folly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folly)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2022, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/disneys-encanto-open-spoilers-after-first-post/956601/54 "2022-02-05T19:22:14Z")
> [@amarinth](#): > > But no, she’s telling them that he’s in the walls - if they would just listen to her. Late in the movie she says something like, “oh yeah, I could hear him the whole time” Which doesn’t quite mesh with the unable to keep a secret part of her personality. But maybe she tried telling people and they didn’t believe her? ---
**Author:** ![Folly](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folly/32/3219_2.png) [@Folly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folly)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2022, 7:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/disneys-encanto-open-spoilers-after-first-post/956601/55 "2022-02-05T19:28:22Z")
> [@Folly](#): > > Late in the movie she says something like, “oh yeah, I could hear him the whole time” I looked it up. It’s part of the final song. “Yo, I knew he never left, I heard him every day” ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2022, 7:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/disneys-encanto-open-spoilers-after-first-post/956601/56 "2022-02-05T19:49:07Z")
Her whisper-singing is so good and impressive. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [February 5, 2022, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/disneys-encanto-open-spoilers-after-first-post/956601/57 "2022-02-05T23:19:41Z")
> [@amarinth](#): > > Finally watched it last night. And then rewatched just the song afterwards and realized that Dolores keeps saying she can “hear him now” and she means that literally. When I saw it the first time, I thought she meant figuratively, in a memory, or something. > > But no, she’s telling them that he’s in the walls - if they would just listen to her. I’m not sure that’s who Dolores was talking about: Dolores: _He told me that the man of my dreams would be just out of reach_ _Betrothed to another_ _It’s like I hear him now_ Isabella: _Hey sis, I want not a sound out of you_ Dolores: _It’s like I can hear him now I can hear him now_ Immediately after, Mariano shows up, the “man of her dreams”. But it’s neatly ambiguous, no? As noted, however, she admits at the end of the film that she knew Bruno was there (and earlier she mentions hearing the rats whispering in the walls). ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2022, 12:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/disneys-encanto-open-spoilers-after-first-post/956601/58 "2022-02-26T00:16:13Z")
We watched it a second time. It holds up well. Characters and characterization feel more real when you know them already. Songs are more singable and the cleverness is easier to catch, although not up to the level of _Frozen_ or _Aladdin_. ---
**Author:** ![Love\_Rhombus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/love_rhombus/32/10694_2.png) [@Love\_Rhombus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Love_Rhombus)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2022, 1:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/disneys-encanto-open-spoilers-after-first-post/956601/59 "2022-02-26T01:57:30Z")
I’d have said it was much cleverer than Aladdin or Frozen. 🤷 Is it better/catchier than Coco? ---
**Author:** ![ZipperJJ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/zipperjj/32/211_2.png) [@ZipperJJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ZipperJJ)\ **Post date:** [March 1, 2022, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/disneys-encanto-open-spoilers-after-first-post/956601/60 "2022-03-01T18:09:46Z")
> [@Love\_Rhombus](#): > > Is it better/catchier than Coco? I watched _Coco_ and I don’t remember one song from it (good movie, still). Conversely, I have “We Don’t Talk About Bruno” and “Surface Pressure” in my head often, after one viewing. These songs have a definitely Lin-Manuel Miranda flair to them, and I dig it. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/disneys-encanto-open-spoilers-after-first-post/956601.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/disneys-encanto-open-spoilers-after-first-post/956601.md?page=4)