# Disproving Islam - challenge is set

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/disproving-islam-challenge-is-set/475478>\
**Category:** Great Debates\
**Created:** [December 3, 2008, 6:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/disproving-islam-challenge-is-set/475478 "2008-12-03T06:59:49Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 4\
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**Author:** ![Clothahump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/51bf81/32.png) [@Clothahump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Clothahump)\
**Post date:** [December 10, 2008, 3:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/disproving-islam-challenge-is-set/475478/121 "2008-12-10T03:40:21Z")

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Religion of any flavor is nothing more than a giant con game.

Rather than ask your friend how he knows that his is the true religion, ask him how he knows his religion is true. Ask him to show proof of the existence of a god of any kind.

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**Author:** ![kanicbird](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/5f8ce5/32.png) [@kanicbird](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kanicbird)\
**Post date:** [December 10, 2008, 11:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/disproving-islam-challenge-is-set/475478/122 "2008-12-10T11:35:36Z")

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> [@cwthree](#):
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> “We” in this context is a majestic plural, used in the same way the the Queen of England refers to herself as “we.” Nevertheless, she may use the plural when speaking of herself.

The Queen of England uses we because she is speaking on behalf of all her subjects, all those who are in submission to her, and are part of her power and authority, she actually speaking for them, as they, have submitted there voice to her to use. This is the system of slavery, personal ownership, it is the system under Queen Jezebel and this is the demonic system, with Satan at the top speaking for his kingdom.

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**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\
**Post date:** [December 10, 2008, 10:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/disproving-islam-challenge-is-set/475478/123 "2008-12-10T22:57:56Z")

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Just curious-what denomination are you, **Kanicbird**?

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**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\
**Post date:** [December 10, 2008, 11:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/disproving-islam-challenge-is-set/475478/124 "2008-12-10T23:44:41Z")

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> [@kanicbird](#):
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> In the quoted verses of the Koran it never says it’s God speaking, but sort of dances around that subject (because it’s not God speaking)

Okay, if the use of the plural in referring to God in the Koran is evidence that it’s not really God who’s speaking, but a demon… why wouldn’t the demon just refer to itself in the singular? Why leave these clues that a canny reader like yourself can use to figure out that he’s not really who he claims to be?

> [@kanicbird](#):
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> tomndebb it’s the condition of the heart which God meansures. God doesn’t speak English (though He could). If you pray to God and your pronounce it Allah then God knows what you mean, if you pray to the demon Allah then that’s who you are praying to.

Really? So, if a person of good heart, who sincerely wishes to be a Godly person, and who genuinely wants to live as sinless a life as possible, and who was taught since childhood that the way to do this was to worship Allah and follow the instructions of the Prophet Mohammed - when that person kneels for his daily prayer to Mecca, is he praying to God, or to the devil pretending to be God?

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