# Ditka, it's apparently not okay when a democrat does it. Take that shit and stuff it. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 17, 2017, 5:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ditka-its-apparently-not-okay-when-a-democrat-does-it-take-that-shit-and-stuff-it/801849 "2017-11-17T05:46:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/budget_player_cadet/32/205_2.png) [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Budget_Player_Cadet)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2017, 5:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ditka-its-apparently-not-okay-when-a-democrat-does-it-take-that-shit-and-stuff-it/801849/1 "2017-11-17T05:46:35Z")
In the recent thread about Al Franken, **HurricaneDitka** had this (and various nuggets to a related effect) to offer: > [@Now, Al Franken](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/now-al-franken/801770/49): > > iokiaddi? Because, y’know, republicans take sexual assault _so_ seriously. I’m reminded of an excerpt from [I Can Tolerate Anything But The Outgroup](http://slatestarcodex.com/2014/09/30/i-can-tolerate-anything-except-the-outgroup/): I imagine might I feel like some liberal US Muslim leader, when he goes on the O’Reilly Show, and O’Reilly ambushes him and demands to know why he and other American Muslims haven’t condemned beheadings by ISIS more, demands that he criticize them right there on live TV. And you can see the wheels in the Muslim leader’s head turning, thinking something like “Okay, obviously beheadings are terrible and I hate them as much as anyone. **But you don’t care even the slightest bit about the victims of beheadings. You’re just looking for a way to score points against me so you can embarass all Muslims**. And I would rather personally behead every single person in the world than give a smug bigot like you a single microgram more stupid self-satisfaction than you’ve already got.” Bolding mine. Republicans don’t actually seem to care. Roy Moore still has the support of the republican media and republican base after the accusations levied against him. Donald Trump won the presidency after 12 accusations and a public confession. Anthony Weiner, though? He’s gone. He’s out. He’s a persona non grata. This is infuriating enough _without_ you making the (at this point quite frankly _insane_) claim that “it’s okay if a democrat does it” is the guiding thought process, as if anyone in the thread was seriously defending Franken. Hey, you know what the immediate reaction from the republican party was after prominent republican politicians got accused of sexual assault (in one case after bragging about sexual assault)? _“Fake News!”_ “Washington Post hit job!” “Deep state!” Meanwhile, I open up Slate and Vox and the headlines are “Franken should resign now” and “Al Franken should be investigated, and he should be held accountable”. There is _one_ side of the political divide that actually seems to give even the _slightest_ bit of a shit about sexual harassment and sexual assault beyond when it can be leveraged into a partisan or cultural advantage. It ain’t yours. Where the fuck do you get off on this crap? What the fuck is even wrong with you? Are you missing the part of your brain responsible for actual human thought? Has it been replaced by a _gigantic cunt_? ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2017, 5:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ditka-its-apparently-not-okay-when-a-democrat-does-it-take-that-shit-and-stuff-it/801849/2 "2017-11-17T05:58:27Z")
Forget it, **Budge**. It’s Ditkatown. ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2017, 7:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ditka-its-apparently-not-okay-when-a-democrat-does-it-take-that-shit-and-stuff-it/801849/3 "2017-11-17T07:16:39Z")
Some people in that thread are certainly defending Franken based on his politics, but I really don’t like being lumped in with them. Asking for a proportionate response to a crime is not apologism. Bending over backward to explain why it’s not really that wrong is apologism. Criticizing anyone about partisan response to sexual assault when you actually cast a vote for a man who openly bragged about sexual assault on tape is something I can barely articulate in words. Nobody who voted for Trump has credibility on this issue. ---
**Author:** ![HeweyLogan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heweylogan/32/547_2.png) [@HeweyLogan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HeweyLogan)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2017, 7:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ditka-its-apparently-not-okay-when-a-democrat-does-it-take-that-shit-and-stuff-it/801849/4 "2017-11-17T07:18:17Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > Roy Moore still has the support of the republican media and republican base after the accusations levied against him. Like hell he does. ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2017, 7:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ditka-its-apparently-not-okay-when-a-democrat-does-it-take-that-shit-and-stuff-it/801849/5 "2017-11-17T07:28:32Z")
> [@HeweyLogan](#): > > Like hell he does. Well, it would be more accurate to say that Moore’s still got a sizeable chunk of Republican media (such as Breitbart) and the Republican base (such as [his own state’s Republican party](https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/16/us/roy-moore-alabama-republicans.html)). But yeah, it’s unlikely that a majority of either are still supporting him. The Alabama voters still appear likely to elect him if he doesn’t step down, though. ---
**Author:** ![HeweyLogan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heweylogan/32/547_2.png) [@HeweyLogan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HeweyLogan)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2017, 7:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ditka-its-apparently-not-okay-when-a-democrat-does-it-take-that-shit-and-stuff-it/801849/6 "2017-11-17T07:31:41Z")
Which is unfortunate, to say the least. ---
**Author:** ![AI\_Proofreader](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8dc957/32.png) [@AI\_Proofreader](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AI_Proofreader)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2017, 7:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ditka-its-apparently-not-okay-when-a-democrat-does-it-take-that-shit-and-stuff-it/801849/7 "2017-11-17T07:32:38Z")
> [@Budget Player Cadet](#): > > Roy Moore still has the support of the republican media and republican base after the accusations levied against him. > [@HeweyLogan](#): > > Like hell he does. [Moore supporters tell reporters questioning candidate to ‘hush - 11/16/17 The Hill](http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/360823-moore-supporters-told-reporters-to-hush) [Roy Moore’s Many Defenders - The Atlantic - 11/10/17](https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/11/roy-moores-many-defenders/545609/) [Alabama G.O.P. Says It Stands Behind Roy Moore - 11/16/17 N.Y. Times](https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/16/us/roy-moore-alabama-republicans.html) …I could go on. But hell, just Google “Roy Moore” and most of the results are going to be about how he’s still way up in the polls and virtually everyone on the right is circling the wagons to defend him, and only a few of his colleagues have denounced him. Oh, plus the insanity of Sean Hannity viewers smashing Keurig coffeemakers when the company no longer wanted to advertise on a show openly defending a pedophile… ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2017, 7:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ditka-its-apparently-not-okay-when-a-democrat-does-it-take-that-shit-and-stuff-it/801849/8 "2017-11-17T07:51:14Z")
True, but while that phenomenon of persistent support for Moore is pretty unsavory, it’s nowhere near as bad as if he had **most** Republicans still supporting him. ---
**Author:** ![HeweyLogan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heweylogan/32/547_2.png) [@HeweyLogan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HeweyLogan)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2017, 8:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ditka-its-apparently-not-okay-when-a-democrat-does-it-take-that-shit-and-stuff-it/801849/9 "2017-11-17T08:09:13Z")
> [@AI\_Proofreader](#): > > [Roy Moore’s Many Defenders - The Atlantic - 11/10/17](https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/11/roy-moores-many-defenders/545609/) I stand by and agree with the statement in that article that says “Many leading Republicans outside of Alabama said in public statements they would like to see Moore step aside” > [@AI\_Proofreader](#): > > But hell, just Google “Roy Moore” and most of the results are going to be about how he’s still way up in the polls and virtually everyone on the right is circling the wagons to defend him… Some are, I’m sure. I don’t agree with them and wish it weren’t so. I’d rather go with what the majority leader is saying… > [@](#): > > 'Moore must quit immediately or be expelled." Senate Majority Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) [http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/360701-moore-acusses-mcconnell-of-double-standard-on-franken-allegations](http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/360701-moore-acusses-mcconnell-of-double-standard-on-franken-allegations) ---
**Author:** ![AI\_Proofreader](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8dc957/32.png) [@AI\_Proofreader](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AI_Proofreader)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2017, 8:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ditka-its-apparently-not-okay-when-a-democrat-does-it-take-that-shit-and-stuff-it/801849/10 "2017-11-17T08:18:05Z")
> [@Kimstu](#): > > True, but while that phenomenon of persistent support for Moore is pretty unsavory, it’s nowhere near as bad as if he had **most** Republicans still supporting him. Fair enough. My post crossed yours where you indicated support from \*\*Alabama’s \*\*G.O.P. and **Alabama** Republicans… his denouncers are in fact coming largely from outside that state. It would be a lot more heartening though, if the people willing to disavow him were not outside observers. It’s easy to take the correct position when you don’t have any connection to the person, harder to take the right moral stance when it’s “your candidate.” ---
**Author:** ![HeweyLogan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/heweylogan/32/547_2.png) [@HeweyLogan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HeweyLogan)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2017, 8:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ditka-its-apparently-not-okay-when-a-democrat-does-it-take-that-shit-and-stuff-it/801849/11 "2017-11-17T08:31:17Z")
I stepped on your guys’ conversation, sorry. I was busy (clumsily) coding the cites regarding your comments. Moore needs to go, put simply. ---
**Author:** ![Channing\_Idaho\_Banks](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/channing_idaho_banks/32/250_2.png) [@Channing\_Idaho\_Banks](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Channing_Idaho_Banks)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2017, 9:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ditka-its-apparently-not-okay-when-a-democrat-does-it-take-that-shit-and-stuff-it/801849/12 "2017-11-17T09:32:02Z")
> [@](#): > > Are you missing the part of your brain responsible for actual human thought? Has it been replaced by a **gigantic cunt**? I approve pitting sexual hypocrisy, but I question the sexist way in which it is done here. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2017, 9:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ditka-its-apparently-not-okay-when-a-democrat-does-it-take-that-shit-and-stuff-it/801849/13 "2017-11-17T09:50:02Z")
I agree that claiming liberal hypocrisy was the purpose of the thread. That alone would be enough to Pit the guy. That said, I also unfortunately think that there are at least some in that thread rising to the occasion. There sure seems to be a whole lot more handwringing, and much fewer people standing up and just saying it’s wrong. That’s not to say that everyone is doing it. But it’s definitely there. From reading this Pit thread, I fully expected responses like **iiandyiiii** ’s to predominate the thread. ---
**Author:** ![bucketybuck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/898d66/32.png) [@bucketybuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bucketybuck)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2017, 10:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ditka-its-apparently-not-okay-when-a-democrat-does-it-take-that-shit-and-stuff-it/801849/14 "2017-11-17T10:19:14Z")
I have also always thought that the Ditka guy was a colossal dickhead. Its not about his politics, your bullshit “them or us” politics means little to me. Its about the dishonest and hypocritical way he posts. He doesn’t have honest opinions, he can’t type an honest post about what he thinks about a particular topic, no, everything has to be shaped and rewritten so that it protects “his” side and attacks “their” side. Its boring, hypocritical and trolling in the sense that there is nothing honest about it. Which makes him a complete arsewipe. ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2017, 11:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ditka-its-apparently-not-okay-when-a-democrat-does-it-take-that-shit-and-stuff-it/801849/15 "2017-11-17T11:54:41Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > Has it been replaced by a _gigantic cunt_? > [@bucketybuck](#): > > I have also always thought that the Ditka guy was a colossal dickhead. Is the second word sexist but the first not? If one is okay the other should be too. ---
**Author:** ![bobot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bobot/32/21622_2.png) [@bobot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bobot)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2017, 12:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ditka-its-apparently-not-okay-when-a-democrat-does-it-take-that-shit-and-stuff-it/801849/16 "2017-11-17T12:11:18Z")
In an effort to mediate the sexually tinged insult dilema, I suggest neutralizing, equalizing the insult and just call him an asshole. ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2017, 12:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ditka-its-apparently-not-okay-when-a-democrat-does-it-take-that-shit-and-stuff-it/801849/17 "2017-11-17T12:39:09Z")
Aw, let **Hurdy** have his moment. He’s been like Percival searching for the Holy Grail of “liberal hypocrisy” gotchas, and thinks he finally found it. Guy’s happier than a pig in… whatever medium a pig finds most enjoyable. ---
**Author:** ![D\_Odds](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/d_odds/32/2882_2.png) [@D\_Odds](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/D_Odds)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2017, 12:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ditka-its-apparently-not-okay-when-a-democrat-does-it-take-that-shit-and-stuff-it/801849/18 "2017-11-17T12:41:53Z")
Can we equalize the insult and call him a dickhead cunt or cunt dickhead? ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2017, 12:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ditka-its-apparently-not-okay-when-a-democrat-does-it-take-that-shit-and-stuff-it/801849/19 "2017-11-17T12:54:44Z")
> [@Channing\_Idaho\_Banks](#): > > I approve pitting sexual hypocrisy, but I question the sexist way in which it is done here. I agree. Your stereotypical association of female anatomy with the color pink is both anachronistic and highly offensive. ---
**Author:** ![madmonk28](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madmonk28/32/20811_2.png) [@madmonk28](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madmonk28)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2017, 1:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ditka-its-apparently-not-okay-when-a-democrat-does-it-take-that-shit-and-stuff-it/801849/20 "2017-11-17T13:03:39Z")
> [@BigT](#): > > I agree that claiming liberal hypocrisy was the purpose of the thread. That alone would be enough to Pit the guy. > > That said, I also unfortunately think that there are at least some in that thread rising to the occasion. There sure seems to be a whole lot more handwringing, and much fewer people standing up and just saying it’s wrong. That’s not to say that everyone is doing it. But it’s definitely there. > > From reading this Pit thread, I fully expected responses like **iiandyiiii** ’s to predominate the thread. **Ditka** is trash, but some of the defenses of Franken in that thread are disgusting. If one amends one’s convictions when it is inconvenient, then they are affectations not convictions. There are people in that thread who sound an awful lot like defenders of Trump and Moore. The question is, are we going to let this cultural shift stop now that it is impacting liberals? Or has society changed enough that it will continue even when people like Franken are called out? [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ditka-its-apparently-not-okay-when-a-democrat-does-it-take-that-shit-and-stuff-it/801849.md?page=2)