# Ditka, it's apparently not okay when a democrat does it. Take that shit and stuff it. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 17, 2017, 5:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ditka-its-apparently-not-okay-when-a-democrat-does-it-take-that-shit-and-stuff-it/801849 "2017-11-17T05:46:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2017, 1:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ditka-its-apparently-not-okay-when-a-democrat-does-it-take-that-shit-and-stuff-it/801849/21 "2017-11-17T13:13:37Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > I agree. Your stereotypical association of female anatomy with the color pink is both anachronistic and highly offensive. A pink cunt is better than a gray-green one. ---
**Author:** ![Ludovic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7ab992/32.png) [@Ludovic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ludovic)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2017, 1:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ditka-its-apparently-not-okay-when-a-democrat-does-it-take-that-shit-and-stuff-it/801849/22 "2017-11-17T13:14:50Z")
“There are people” aren’t “liberals”. Which is the whole point of this thread. ---
**Author:** ![Gyrate](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gyrate/32/3588_2.png) [@Gyrate](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gyrate)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2017, 1:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ditka-its-apparently-not-okay-when-a-democrat-does-it-take-that-shit-and-stuff-it/801849/23 "2017-11-17T13:30:02Z")
Modern right-wingers are so desperate to find left-wing hypocrisy because it excuses their own. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2017, 1:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ditka-its-apparently-not-okay-when-a-democrat-does-it-take-that-shit-and-stuff-it/801849/24 "2017-11-17T13:39:45Z")
Given that Franken himself has apparently not only apologized but stated he is fine with any enquiry Congress cares to muster, I think we can safely write off the Ersatz Coach’s opinion on this matter. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2017, 1:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ditka-its-apparently-not-okay-when-a-democrat-does-it-take-that-shit-and-stuff-it/801849/25 "2017-11-17T13:55:42Z")
> [@Spice\_Weasel](#): > > Some people in that thread are certainly defending Franken based on his politics, but I really don’t like being lumped in with them. Asking for a proportionate response to a crime is not apologism. Correct, providing it is applied no matter if the politician is Democrat or Republican. > [@](#): > > Criticizing anyone about partisan response to sexual assault when you actually cast a vote for a man who openly bragged about sexual assault on tape is something I can barely articulate in words. Nobody who voted for Trump has credibility on this issue. This isn’t aplogism, it’s whataboutism. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2017, 2:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ditka-its-apparently-not-okay-when-a-democrat-does-it-take-that-shit-and-stuff-it/801849/26 "2017-11-17T14:01:21Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > This isn’t aplogism, it’s whataboutism. Nonsense. I’m no likelier to listen to Trump supporters’ shit about sexual harassment than I am likely to listen to David Duke supporters’ complaints about racism. If you support Trump, you need to shut up: you don’t get to be in this conversation. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2017, 2:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ditka-its-apparently-not-okay-when-a-democrat-does-it-take-that-shit-and-stuff-it/801849/27 "2017-11-17T14:39:39Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > Nonsense. I’m no likelier to listen to Trump supporters’ shit about sexual harassment than I am likely to listen to David Duke supporters’ complaints about racism. If you support Trump, you need to shut up: you don’t get to be in this conversation. Bunk. “You supported Trump” is an _ad hominem_, not a valid counter-argument. Someone can by a hypocrite and still be correct. ---
**Author:** ![Pantastic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/3bc359/32.png) [@Pantastic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pantastic)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2017, 3:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ditka-its-apparently-not-okay-when-a-democrat-does-it-take-that-shit-and-stuff-it/801849/28 "2017-11-17T15:12:29Z")
> [@El\_Kabong](#): > > Given that Franken himself has apparently not only apologized but stated he is fine with any enquiry Congress cares to muster, I think we can safely write off the Ersatz Coach’s opinion on this matter. Al Franken himself has also admitted that his past apologies for things like rape jokes are ‘little white lies’, that he didn’t really mean the apology but tossed it out because it helped him get elected to say it. That makes it a little hard to believe ‘but I really mean it this time guys, it’s not a lie like the last apology’. > [@https://www.nytimes.com/2017/05/29/books/review/al-franken-giant-of-the-senate.html](#): > > “Al Franken, Giant of the Senate” is, in part, the story of how Franken became a giant phony — how he pretended to be a serious person in public even as his inner comic monologue never stopped running. He recalls that during the 2008 campaign, he was attacked for such transgressions as a late-night writers’-room joke about raping Lesley Stahl, and a 2000 Playboy article entitled “Porn-o-Rama.” Franken didn’t think he should have to apologize for the cracks, which his opponents were taking out of context. “To say I was sorry for writing a joke was to sell out my career, to sell out who I’d been my entire life,” he writes. “And I wasn’t sorry that I had written Porn-o-Rama or pitched that stupid Lesley Stahl joke at 2 in the morning. I was just doing my job.” > > But as the attacks caused Franken to bleed support from women voters, he saw that his explanations weren’t working. “I learned that campaigns have their own rules, their own laws of physics, and that if I wasn’t willing to accept that, I would never get to be a senator.” And so Franken took a deep breath and told a little white lie: “I’m sorry.” ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2017, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ditka-its-apparently-not-okay-when-a-democrat-does-it-take-that-shit-and-stuff-it/801849/29 "2017-11-17T15:13:58Z")
My problem with **HurricaneDitka** is his use of garbage sites as truth in his postings and then using them without any sourcing in some cases. Well that’s not my only problem with him, but one of the biggest ones. This post is a recent example: [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=20605992&postcount=89](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=20605992&postcount=89) ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2017, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ditka-its-apparently-not-okay-when-a-democrat-does-it-take-that-shit-and-stuff-it/801849/30 "2017-11-17T15:19:58Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Bunk. “You supported Trump” is an _ad hominem_, not a valid counter-argument. Someone can by a hypocrite and still be correct. They might be, but I’m not going to waste time listening to them on the subject, any more than I’m going to look at a broken clock on the off chance that it’s telling the right time. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tooth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c67d28/32.png) [@The\_Tooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tooth)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2017, 3:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ditka-its-apparently-not-okay-when-a-democrat-does-it-take-that-shit-and-stuff-it/801849/31 "2017-11-17T15:25:31Z")
Too right. Fallacies are only an issue in a debate, not in an off-fuck-telling. ---
**Author:** ![Channing\_Idaho\_Banks](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/channing_idaho_banks/32/250_2.png) [@Channing\_Idaho\_Banks](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Channing_Idaho_Banks)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2017, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ditka-its-apparently-not-okay-when-a-democrat-does-it-take-that-shit-and-stuff-it/801849/32 "2017-11-17T15:36:51Z")
> [@VinylTurnip](#): > > I agree. Your stereotypical association of female anatomy with the color pink is both anachronistic and highly offensive. Those are some big words. Too bad they don’t mean what you think they mean. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2017, 3:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ditka-its-apparently-not-okay-when-a-democrat-does-it-take-that-shit-and-stuff-it/801849/33 "2017-11-17T15:55:18Z")
> [@Pantastic](#): > > That makes it a little hard to believe ‘but I really mean it this time guys, it’s not a lie like the last apology’. The woman in question accepts the sincerity of his apology. And Franken volunteered to submit to an investigation. I don’t think the situations are really analogous anyway but I see that [Fox News](http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/11/16/al-franken-joked-about-raping-leslie-stahl-in-1995-new-york-magazine-article.html) and the other usual suspects are beating this same drum. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tooth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c67d28/32.png) [@The\_Tooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tooth)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2017, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ditka-its-apparently-not-okay-when-a-democrat-does-it-take-that-shit-and-stuff-it/801849/34 "2017-11-17T15:58:17Z")
If they weren’t bleating about this they’d be bleating about something else inconsequential if not something they created out of whole cloth. They’re job is to benefit the Republican party, either through fluffing it or distracting away from it. ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2017, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ditka-its-apparently-not-okay-when-a-democrat-does-it-take-that-shit-and-stuff-it/801849/35 "2017-11-17T16:11:19Z")
What Franken did was very wrong. **Ditka** is a poor debater and a waste of time and space. Douchenozzles both. ---
**Author:** ![MandaJo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ac91a4/32.png) [@MandaJo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MandaJo)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2017, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ditka-its-apparently-not-okay-when-a-democrat-does-it-take-that-shit-and-stuff-it/801849/36 "2017-11-17T16:22:43Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Bunk. “You supported Trump” is an _ad hominem_, not a valid counter-argument. Someone can by a hypocrite and still be correct. 'You supported Trump, you can’t talk about sexual assault" is a dumb argument. “You supported Trump, so when you accuse me of only caring about sexual assault when it’s politically advantageous, I suspect your outrage is insincere and rooted in your own desire to score political points.” is a solid argument. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2017, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ditka-its-apparently-not-okay-when-a-democrat-does-it-take-that-shit-and-stuff-it/801849/37 "2017-11-17T16:52:38Z")
> [@Spice\_Weasel](#): > > Some people in that thread are certainly defending Franken based on his politics, but I really don’t like being lumped in with them. Asking for a proportionate response to a crime is not apologism. > > Bending over backward to explain why it’s not really that wrong is apologism. > > Criticizing anyone about partisan response to sexual assault when you actually cast a vote for a man who openly bragged about sexual assault on tape is something I can barely articulate in words. Nobody who voted for Trump has credibility on this issue. This. I don’t condone anything Franken did or didn’t do. I don’t condone anything any other Dems will be accused in the very near future. But when the howls of outrage come from people who voted for and defend Trump, who defend Roy Moore, etc etc etc, it’s bull shit. Fuck 'em. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2017, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ditka-its-apparently-not-okay-when-a-democrat-does-it-take-that-shit-and-stuff-it/801849/38 "2017-11-17T16:53:06Z")
> [@MandaJo](#): > > 'You supported Trump, you can’t talk about sexual assault" is a dumb argument. > > “You supported Trump, so when you accuse me of only caring about sexual assault when it’s politically advantageous, I suspect your outrage is insincere and rooted in your own desire to score political points.” is a solid argument. You said it much better than I did; thank you. ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2017, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ditka-its-apparently-not-okay-when-a-democrat-does-it-take-that-shit-and-stuff-it/801849/39 "2017-11-17T16:53:56Z")
> [@AI\_Proofreader](#): > > [Moore supporters tell reporters questioning candidate to ‘hush - 11/16/17 The Hill](http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/360823-moore-supporters-told-reporters-to-hush) > [Roy Moore’s Many Defenders - The Atlantic - 11/10/17](https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2017/11/roy-moores-many-defenders/545609/) > [Alabama G.O.P. Says It Stands Behind Roy Moore - 11/16/17 N.Y. Times](https://www.nytimes.com/2017/11/16/us/roy-moore-alabama-republicans.html) > > …I could go on. But hell, just Google “Roy Moore” and most of the results are going to be about how he’s still way up in the polls and virtually everyone on the right is circling the wagons to defend him, and only a few of his colleagues have denounced him. > > Oh, plus the insanity of Sean Hannity viewers smashing Keurig coffeemakers when the company no longer wanted to advertise on a show openly defending a pedophile… And this too. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Tooth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c67d28/32.png) [@The\_Tooth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Tooth)\ **Post date:** [November 17, 2017, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ditka-its-apparently-not-okay-when-a-democrat-does-it-take-that-shit-and-stuff-it/801849/40 "2017-11-17T16:57:56Z")
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