# Ditka, it's apparently not okay when a democrat does it. Take that shit and stuff it. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [November 17, 2017, 5:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ditka-its-apparently-not-okay-when-a-democrat-does-it-take-that-shit-and-stuff-it/801849 "2017-11-17T05:46:35Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 14\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2017, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ditka-its-apparently-not-okay-when-a-democrat-does-it-take-that-shit-and-stuff-it/801849/61 "2017-11-18T15:54:41Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > Nonsense. I’m no likelier to listen to Trump supporters’ shit about sexual harassment than I am likely to listen to David Duke supporters’ complaints about racism. If you support Trump, you need to shut up: you don’t get to be in this conversation. > [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > They might be, but I’m not going to waste time listening to them on the subject, any more than I’m going to look at a broken clock on the off chance that it’s telling the right time. OK, that makes sense, and is quite different from what you posted first. I was particularly objecting to the emphasis added part, which when applied to posters here is not really what this MB is about, IMO. Thanks for the clarification. > [@septimus](#): > > Yes, and even a stopped clock is right twice a day. > > Do you sift through the _Washington Times_ or _Breitbart_ looking for gems of truth not found elsewhere? > > We’re well past the point where it is a productive use of time to inspect Sean Hannity’s compost pile (or Trump’s, or Shodan’s) for four-leaf clovers or glimmers of understanding. See above. No, we don’t need to seek out Trump supporters. That’s not what **Lefty** was saying, nor what I was suggesting should be done. If I was unclear about that, my apologies. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2017, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ditka-its-apparently-not-okay-when-a-democrat-does-it-take-that-shit-and-stuff-it/801849/62 "2017-11-18T17:39:57Z")
> [@septimus](#): > > Yes, and even a stopped clock is right twice a day… Grampa? What’s a “stopped clock”? Is that, like, an app? ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2017, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ditka-its-apparently-not-okay-when-a-democrat-does-it-take-that-shit-and-stuff-it/801849/63 "2017-11-18T17:47:39Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Grampa? What’s a “stopped clock”? Is that, like, an app? It is kinda like when the VCR is blinking 12:00. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2017, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ditka-its-apparently-not-okay-when-a-democrat-does-it-take-that-shit-and-stuff-it/801849/64 "2017-11-18T17:52:06Z")
Siri says its all Obama’s fault, but Cortana blames the Jews. ---
**Author:** ![kaylasdad99](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kaylasdad99/32/3398_2.png) [@kaylasdad99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kaylasdad99)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2017, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ditka-its-apparently-not-okay-when-a-democrat-does-it-take-that-shit-and-stuff-it/801849/65 "2017-11-18T19:46:58Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > Ordinarily, might be moved to simply agree. However, the 10,000 Niven fan bonus points your username earns puts it to enthusiastic endorsement. Woot! Woot! > [@DrFidelius](#): > > She’s just lucky, I guess. iswydt. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2017, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ditka-its-apparently-not-okay-when-a-democrat-does-it-take-that-shit-and-stuff-it/801849/66 "2017-11-18T21:47:29Z")
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**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2017, 10:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ditka-its-apparently-not-okay-when-a-democrat-does-it-take-that-shit-and-stuff-it/801849/67 "2017-11-18T22:21:37Z")
> [@Budget\_Player\_Cadet](#): > > Donald Trump won the presidency after 12 accusations and a public confession. Do you have cites for that? Because, in my memory, he “won” the presidency the way Doc Holliday “won” poker games. And this “confession” thing, all I ever recall hearing was bragging. ---
**Author:** ![running\_coach](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/running_coach/32/15836_2.png) [@running\_coach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/running_coach)\ **Post date:** [November 18, 2017, 10:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ditka-its-apparently-not-okay-when-a-democrat-does-it-take-that-shit-and-stuff-it/801849/68 "2017-11-18T22:38:29Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > Do you have cites for that? Because, in my memory, he “won” the presidency the way Doc Holliday “won” poker games. And this “confession” thing, all I ever recall hearing was bragging. He said that avoiding STDs in the '60s and 70s were his personal Vietnam. He claimed to have slept with numerous women(married ones, too), he was known to have committed adultery. He said that being the owner of a beauty pageant gave him the right to enter dressing rooms, with underage contestants, any time he wanted. His “bragging” has the ring of truth to it. We should take him at his word. And throw his orange ass out. ---
**Author:** ![DesertDog](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/desertdog/32/11503_2.png) [@DesertDog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DesertDog)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2017, 1:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ditka-its-apparently-not-okay-when-a-democrat-does-it-take-that-shit-and-stuff-it/801849/69 "2017-11-19T13:30:24Z")
> [@k9bfriender](#): > > It is kinda like when the VCR is blinking 12:00. When the what? is blinking? ---
**Author:** ![eschereal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/eschereal/32/18939_2.png) [@eschereal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eschereal)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2017, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ditka-its-apparently-not-okay-when-a-democrat-does-it-take-that-shit-and-stuff-it/801849/70 "2017-11-19T16:58:55Z")
> [@DesertDog](#): > > When the what? is blinking? VCR, man. You know. They were, uh, it stood for, uh, Variable Chronosynclastic Refundibulator. Everyone had one. Which is probably why our time-line is so fucked up. ---
**Author:** ![Guest-starring\_Id](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guest-starring_id/32/21736_2.png) [@Guest-starring\_Id](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guest-starring_Id)\ **Post date:** [November 19, 2017, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ditka-its-apparently-not-okay-when-a-democrat-does-it-take-that-shit-and-stuff-it/801849/71 "2017-11-19T17:45:58Z")
:dubious: ::Resumes watching “Manimal” episode on my trusty Betamax:: ---
**Author:** ![AI\_Proofreader](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/8dc957/32.png) [@AI\_Proofreader](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AI_Proofreader)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2017, 4:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ditka-its-apparently-not-okay-when-a-democrat-does-it-take-that-shit-and-stuff-it/801849/72 "2017-11-20T04:59:33Z")
> [@eschereal](#): > > VCR, man. You know. They were, uh, it stood for, uh, Variable Chronosynclastic Refundibulator. Everyone had one. Which is probably why our time-line is so fucked up. I wonder how those psychological experiments where they observe the affect on behavior from being restricted to rooms without clocks would have turned out if people were restricted to rooms with blinking “12:00” VCRs that couldn’t be fixed. I’d predict violent psychosis by the end of the week. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2017, 10:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ditka-its-apparently-not-okay-when-a-democrat-does-it-take-that-shit-and-stuff-it/801849/73 "2017-11-20T10:08:16Z")
> [@Fretful\_Porpentine](#): > > And if he does resign under Democratic pressure, the Republicans will be beating the “Democrats are all puritanical SJWs who want to lock up everyone who has ever made a pass at anyone or told a sexist joke” drum for decades. There might be some good reasons for him to resign, but “Republicans are going to make political hay out of it if he stays in Congress” isn’t one of them. Republicans are going to make political hay out of _whatever_ Democrats do. They can play the SJW card, but it’s a rather weak card when we can point out that this makes them SJWs, too, since they also advocated he be removed. And that there were so many in their party advocating other people be removed. Having him stick around, however, is a very strong card. It can be used any time without any rebuttal. The only rebuttal requires nuance, and nuance is moot in these rhetorical games. The only downside I can see to him resigning is if Republicans actually do the thing everyone is worried about and start throwing out accusations left and right to try and shut down all Democrats. However, that plan would backfire immensely because both sides can play that game. So I say go for it. Have him resign. If you want nuance, have it be a delayed resignation, saying he won’t seek a new term. Have him go to rehab or something, with the hope he may be able to come back later if the climate changes. It’s like the people saying that Clinton should absolutely be kicked out of the party. It doesn’t matter the nuance. We saw that in this past election. If the politician is tainted, cut them loose, or they drag everyone down. I know we naturally tend towards empathy as liberals, but politics is cut-throat. Cut your losses and move on. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [November 20, 2017, 11:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/ditka-its-apparently-not-okay-when-a-democrat-does-it-take-that-shit-and-stuff-it/801849/74 "2017-11-20T11:42:43Z")
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