# DND OGL - Is anyone following this? Thoughts? **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Tags:** rpg-dnd-wargames\ **Created:** [January 8, 2023, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dnd-ogl-is-anyone-following-this-thoughts/977886 "2023-01-08T18:54:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 18
**Author:** ![vislor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/vislor/32/5933_2.png) [@vislor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vislor)\ **Post date:** [April 30, 2023, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dnd-ogl-is-anyone-following-this-thoughts/977886/341 "2023-04-30T14:13:17Z")
> [@Jophiel](#): > > Wait, we have to intend to PLAY systems when we buy them? I own an embarrassing number of system that are pretty much just for reading and maybe pulling some ideas from. Yes, yes you must PLAY them. Ha! I, too, own a lot of systems I won’t but mine for ideas. That is a fair point. I heard that the Shadowdark tables are awesome and do want to check them out at some point. > [@Jophiel](#): > > My group is actually sorta interested in the 2e Remastered system, thinking it might have some decent ideas now that it’s moving away from OGL. Of course, our current game will probably run until 2045, but there’s some interest in giving it a try when it’s actually out (as in both player and GM materials). For some reason, I can’t get past several key points of PF2. The tight math, sliding bounded accuracy, and level adding to skills makes me feel like a player has less control over their character. I understand that placing points is more complex but to me it’s what makes characters less unique. That’s not to say there isn’t great stuff in PF2. I do like how they do multi classing so their main class doesn’t lose capstone abilities, I like not all monsters have AoO, and now that there is more material, characters can be exactly what the player wants. (I already use the three action economy in my PF1 game from Unchained.) > [@Jophiel](#): > > As for the Pinkerton thing, I doubt it’ll make any difference. Unlike the OGL fiasco which threatened a lot of 3rd party materials and game systems, this was just one dude getting harassed. Since few people are M:tG content creators, much less ones likely to get a rogue box of unreleased cards, the impact is nothing like what OGL was. Also, while there’s some crossover, I get a general impression that a lot of TTRPG players aren’t really into M:tG and vice versa. At one game shop I played at, the vibe from the D&D tables was that the M:tG players were the obnoxiously loud kids down at the end. WOTC is the bad guy in the scenario but I don’t see many players letting it influence their habits. I was surprised the Pinkertons still exist under that name! I think that it’s too bad we haven’t heard the other side. As far as I know, the only story we have is the person who had them show up at his door. He has reason to blow it up. I still think it was heavy handed compared to a phone call or email, though, so as a base, no matter how much the story might have been exaggerated, it’s not a great look. Thanks for the reply! Take care! ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2023, 3:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dnd-ogl-is-anyone-following-this-thoughts/977886/342 "2023-05-01T15:45:02Z")
Count me as another one who thinks there’s no goddamn chance D&D is gonna disappear anytime soon. For every gamer brought into gaming through Critical Role, there are a hundred gamers brought in through _Stranger Things_, and there’s no sign at all that the final season is gonna stop talking about D&D. And yeah, D&D isn’t the only game out there, but they own the space in mainstream culture. I spent the weekend at my favorite annual event: a bunch of us gather at a state park, cook communal meals, stay in unpowered and unwatered cabins, and game our asses off for 4 days straight. It’s freaking glorious. Over the weekend, I played: - [Fiasco](https://bullypulpitgames.com/products/fiasco) (a bunch of teenagers working at a mall do drug deals and embezzle money, and it does not go well) - [Blades in the Dark](https://evilhat.com/product/blades-in-the-dark/) (a minor noble house must thwart the assassination attempt at their masquerade ball) - [Wanderhome](https://possumcreekgames.com/pages/wanderhome) (anthropomorphic animals explore a gentle, pastoral land – nearly every player at this table, including me, teared up with unexpected emotion) - [Swords of the Serpentine](https://pelgranepress.com/product/swords-of-the-serpentine/) (Swords and Sorcery librarians retrieve a stolen book) - [Wingspan](https://stonemaiergames.com/games/wingspan/) (build yer own ecosystem for birds) - [Chum](https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/415696/CHUM) (Sharknanigans, an international children’s media conglomerate, genetically modifies sharks to look like their adorable cartoon characters, and then they escape and start eating everyone) - [Pasion de las Pasiones](https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/bleongambetta/pasion-de-las-pasiones?lang=es) (A telenovela game with weddings, betrayals, secret twins, trysts in old chapels, and pleasure yachts) You’ll notice a lack of Dungeons and Dragons on there. In fact, the closest to D&D is Swords of the Serpentine, and that’s only like a third or fourth cousin. But when folks asked what I was doing this weekend, they were confused until I rephrased: “We play a lot of games that are kind of like Dungeons and Dragons.” Then they got it and told me, “Have so much fun with your D&D group!” When WOTC stumbles, it’s like a tree falling in an oak forest: there’s sunlight for something else to grow in that spot. Maybe you’ll get a cool maple or ash tree. But the forest is still an oak forest, and that’s not changing anytime soon. ---
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2023, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dnd-ogl-is-anyone-following-this-thoughts/977886/343 "2023-05-01T15:59:42Z")
Hasbro wins an ‘ethics’ award from BusinessWire: [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/oY9lTIsRnW0/maxresdefault.jpg "Wizards Bullies YouTuber, Wins Ethics Award! (Ep. 324)") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oY9lTIsRnW0) Stranger ---
**Author:** ![puzzlegal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/puzzlegal/32/3827_2.png) [@puzzlegal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/puzzlegal)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2023, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dnd-ogl-is-anyone-following-this-thoughts/977886/344 "2023-05-01T16:05:44Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > For every gamer brought into gaming through Critical Role, there are a hundred gamers brought in through _Stranger Things_, and there’s no sign at all that the final season is gonna stop talking about D&D. I looked up “Critical Role” when it was mentioned here to see if it was another name for _Stranger Things_. I’m sure _Stranger Things_ has been important in the recent popularity of d&d. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2023, 4:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dnd-ogl-is-anyone-following-this-thoughts/977886/345 "2023-05-01T16:30:46Z")
FWIW, I left something out from my description of all the games I played over the weekend. There was no D&D at all at the camp. But on my four hour drive there, and my four hour drive back, I listed to Critical Role’s podcast. ---
**Author:** ![Johnny\_Bravo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnny_bravo/32/493_2.png) [@Johnny\_Bravo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Johnny_Bravo)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2023, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dnd-ogl-is-anyone-following-this-thoughts/977886/346 "2023-05-01T18:33:38Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > Fiasco This has been on my list forever. How do you like it overall? ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2023, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dnd-ogl-is-anyone-following-this-thoughts/977886/347 "2023-05-01T19:00:41Z")
> [@Johnny\_Bravo](#): > > This has been on my list forever. How do you like it overall? Like a lot of my favorite games, it’s very player-dependent. If you play with a group of folks who want to _win_–who are focused on making optimal decisions and steering things toward a victory condition–it’s going to be wretched. If you play with people who freeze up, or who don’t have any ideas, or who won’t roleplay, it’s going to be dull as shit. But if you play with a group of folks who love throwing themselves into characters and making decisions that aren’t _wise_ so much as they’re _fascinating_, it’s ridiculously fun. In this game, I channeled Devi from _Never Have I Ever_, only working at a Spencer’s Gifts. After I got fired, I stole a check for $9,995 from the store’s safe and erased the “Pay to the Order Of” name, replacing it with my own, and used a big chunk of cash to give lavish gifts to my friends. That’s a _terrible_ idea–just like it was a terrible idea for the druggie to sell drugs to the stressed-out parents in line for the kids to sit on Santa’s lap, or for the store-owner’s son to run a side hustle in Satanic paraphernalia out of the shop. But all our bad decisions–coupled with some absurd roleplay and some delightful bit characters–made for pure joy. There was a player at the table who I’d never met before, and I wasn’t sure whether she’d be any fun. But from the first time she opened her mouth (as the teenage Satanic weed-dealer) and started gushing about Taylor Swift (excuse me, “Tay-tay”) in this big-mouthed valley-girl drawl, I was like, “This game is gonna fuckin _rock_.” That’s what you’re looking for in Fiasco. I was, of course, caught and put in juvie. In Fiasco, that’s as close as you get to a victory condition. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2023, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dnd-ogl-is-anyone-following-this-thoughts/977886/348 "2023-05-01T19:05:48Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > But if you play with a group of folks who love throwing themselves into characters and making decisions that aren’t _wise_ so much as they’re _fascinating_, it’s ridiculously fun. My one and only experience with Fiasco was with such a group – it was about five years ago, and we still talk about how much crazy fun that session was. I agree; I think that it does require that sort of player to make that game play well. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2023, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dnd-ogl-is-anyone-following-this-thoughts/977886/349 "2023-05-01T19:10:40Z")
> [@kenobi\_65](#): > > I agree; I think that it does require that sort of player to make that game play well. Even with a mediocre group, D&D can still be pretty fun. The mechanics of rolling dice and killing monsters is a bit like glorified Yahtzee, and if nobody roleplays at all, I can amuse myself with the clicketyclackety of the plastic polyhedra. But all the games in that bulleted list (except Wingspan) only really work if players are throwing themselves into the game with abandon. The mechanics aren’t that interesting by themselves; they facilitate the fun rather than providing the fun, if that makes sense. If y’all enjoyed Fiasco, I heartily recommend all the other games on that list, with a special shoutout to _Pasion De Las Pasiones_, maybe the most bonkers idea for an RPG I’ve ever heard of. It was sublime. One example: “secret twin” is a character class. If you play the secret twin, you choose another PC who’s your twin (with the player’s consent). Your main power is called “That was me!” and it lets you declare after any scene involving the other character that it was secretly you in that scene all along. _HOW COOL IS THAT???_ ---
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2023, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dnd-ogl-is-anyone-following-this-thoughts/977886/350 "2023-05-01T19:23:44Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > But if you play with a group of folks who love throwing themselves into characters and making decisions that aren’t _wise_ so much as they’re _fascinating_, it’s ridiculously fun. I mean, it does bill itself as a game about “people with powerful ambition and poor impulse control.” If you love Coen Brothers movies and think that _A Simple Plan_ is the understated geniuswerk of Sam Raimi’s career, you’re the right kind of player. But everybody has to be on board with that kind of aesthetic (or whatever tone you want to play). I’ve always wanted to create a _Being John Malkovich_-type plot for _Fiasco_ but then you have to find people who have both that level of unhinged creativity and a willingness to embrace the absurd idiocy and self-destructiveness in their character without being a complete murder-hobo. Stranger ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2023, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dnd-ogl-is-anyone-following-this-thoughts/977886/351 "2023-05-01T20:44:30Z")
> [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](#): > > Hasbro wins an ‘ethics’ award from BusinessWire: Note that is a Vid from “Professor DM”, a guy who used to write for the dragon, and is now getting his clicks from spreading WotC hate and pushing his competing FRPG. He is about as baised a source as you can find. Here is the real story: > **[Hasbro Recognized as One of World’s Most Ethical Companies for the 11th...](https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20220315005334/en/Hasbro-Recognized-as-One-of-World%E2%80%99s-Most-Ethical-Companies-for-the-11th-Consecutive-Year)** > > Hasbro (NASDAQ: HAS), a global play and entertainment company, has been named one of the 2022 World’s Most Ethical Companies by Ethisphere, a global l PAWTUCKET, R.I.–([BUSINESS WIRE](https://www.businesswire.com/))–_Hasbro (NASDAQ: HAS), a global play and entertainment company, has been named one of the [2022 World’s Most Ethical Companies](https://cts.businesswire.com/ct/CT?id=smartlink&url=https%3A%2F%2Fworldsmostethicalcompanies.com%2Fhonorees&esheet=52596251&newsitemid=20220315005334&lan=en-US&anchor=2022+World%26%238217%3Bs+Most+Ethical+Companies&index=1&md5=9f561f3f3049d3a1dd90c6cfa49fca75) by Ethisphere, a global leader in defining and advancing the standards of ethical business practices. This prestigious award recognizes companies for leadership in key ESG areas including business ethics and compliance, ethical sourcing and human rights, environmental sustainability, and social impact across global communities._ _\> Hasbro Recognized as One of World’s Most Ethical Companies for the 11th Consecutive Year_ _\>_ _\> [Tweet this](https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20220315005334/en/Hasbro-Recognized-as-One-of-World%E2%80%99s-Most-Ethical-Companies-for-the-11th-Consecutive-Year#)_ _Hasbro has been recognized by Ethisphere for 11 consecutive years – and is one of only four honorees in the consumer products industry. In 2022, 136 honorees were recognized spanning 22 countries and 45 industries._ Again Hasbro did not “bully” a Youtuber, and the whole thing about how eviiiiillll the Pinkertons are is about a hundred years out of date. ---
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2023, 9:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dnd-ogl-is-anyone-following-this-thoughts/977886/352 "2023-05-01T21:41:34Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Here is the real story: > > [https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20220315005334/en/Hasbro-Recognized-as-One-of-World’s-Most-Ethical-Companies-for-the-11th-Consecutive-Year](https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20220315005334/en/Hasbro-Recognized-as-One-of-World%E2%80%99s-Most-Ethical-Companies-for-the-11th-Consecutive-Year) Well, here are the 2023 World’s Most Ethical Companies (that have nominated themselves into the Business Ethics Leadership Alliance): > **[Honorees](https://worldsmostethicalcompanies.com/honorees/)** > > The 2023 World’s Most Ethical Companies® Honoree List In 2023, 135 organizations are recognized for their unwavering commitment to business integrity.  The honorees span 19 countries and 46 industries, and include 8 first-time honorees and... If Accenture, Booz Allen, Eli Lilly, Frontera Energy, and Allstate are in the list, I think you’d be better off to be on another list far away. But hey, if you can’t be ethical, you can at least scrub your sins off with a lot of money and a for-profit company that issues “ethics” awards for pay. Also, you can buy yourself a lairdship in Scotland and prance around in a kilt, but don’t expect to get a warm welcome in Alba. > [@DrDeth](#): > > Again Hasbro did not “bully” a Youtuber, and the whole thing about how eviiiiillll the Pinkertons are is about a hundred years out of date Is it, though?: > **[Amazon is using union-busting Pinkerton spies to track warehouse workers and...](https://www.businessinsider.com/amazon-pinkerton-spies-worker-labor-unions-2020-11)** > > News of Amazon hiring Pinkerton spies is the latest development in the firm's crusade to prevent its workers from forming labor unions. > **[Starbucks hired former CIA agent in middle of union-busting campaign](https://morningstaronline.co.uk/article/w/starbucks-hired-former-cia-in-middle-union-busting-campaign)** Stranger ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2023, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dnd-ogl-is-anyone-following-this-thoughts/977886/353 "2023-05-05T14:23:11Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > From what I see, it is more that FRPGS got them into CR. This is exactly the experience I have, with my sub-20 daughters (and their friends) as well as 20-somethings I know. CR was never the gateway for any of them, they were _already_ into roleplaying, from their parents, from very TT-like computer games, and just general nerd cultural osmosis. ---
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [November 29, 2023, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dnd-ogl-is-anyone-following-this-thoughts/977886/354 "2023-11-29T20:04:10Z")
Hasbro and Wizards of the Coast are throwing rocks tonight!: [The Tragic Launch of the New D&D TV Channel](https://youtu.be/9eJQDUsDgms?si=HLrWOSfpbD1feZd7) [You STILL Can’t Watch The New D&D TV Channel](https://youtu.be/dArcyopK66w?si=OBA305pbAkfEtjve) [D&D TV Dumpster Fire](https://youtu.be/-Ef9nx88rDU?si=RSHPEdAxoUw1HfDy) Who needs fan-made content and an enthusiast community when you can monetize it all yourself? Stranger ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [November 30, 2023, 4:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dnd-ogl-is-anyone-following-this-thoughts/977886/355 "2023-11-30T04:44:19Z")
> [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](#): > > D&D TV Dumpster Fire Well, that last one is a known and admitted WotC hater, who has spread several ies about 5th edition etc. So, its a pretty bad cite. The TV shows had a tentative start date in the middle of November, looks like they havent started yet. ---
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [December 12, 2023, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dnd-ogl-is-anyone-following-this-thoughts/977886/356 "2023-12-12T18:48:28Z")
> **[Hasbro to lay off 1,100 employees as toy sales slump](https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2023/12/12/hasbro-layoffs-2023-job-cuts/)** > > CEO Chris Cocks said the job cuts at Hasbro, which makes Transformers action figures and games such as Monopoly, are on top of the 800 staff already laid off this year. No mention of subsidiary Wizards of the Coast but some belt tightening in their less profitable rope-playing game products and services is likely forthcoming. Stranger ---
**Author:** ![Odesio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/odesio/32/20003_2.png) [@Odesio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odesio)\ **Post date:** [December 13, 2023, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dnd-ogl-is-anyone-following-this-thoughts/977886/357 "2023-12-13T01:55:34Z")
> [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](#): > > No mention of subsidiary Wizards of the Coast but some belt tightening in their less profitable rope-playing game products and services is likely forthcoming. There have been a few WotC employees, including Mike Mearls, who have said they were laid off. Well, not laid off. They said they’re no longer with the company. ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2023, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dnd-ogl-is-anyone-following-this-thoughts/977886/358 "2023-12-14T16:13:05Z")
> [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](#): > > rope-playing game I understand that is a typo, but man that led to some interesting google results, like rope365 dot com. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2023, 10:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dnd-ogl-is-anyone-following-this-thoughts/977886/359 "2023-12-14T22:43:51Z")
> [@Odesio](#): > > There have been a few WotC employees, including Mike Mearls, who have said they were laid off. Mike Mearls says he’s been laid off. [This Reddit post has a bunch of other casualties.](https://www.reddit.com/r/dndnext/comments/18ij198/list_of_known_wotc_employees_let_go_by_hasbro/) Interestingly, it appears that nearly everyone at WOTC who worked with Larian on Baldur’s Gate 3 is gone. ---
**Author:** ![gnoitall](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/bb73d2/32.png) [@gnoitall](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gnoitall)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2023, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dnd-ogl-is-anyone-following-this-thoughts/977886/360 "2023-12-14T23:07:16Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Interestingly, it appears that nearly everyone at WOTC who worked with Larian on Baldur’s Gate 3 is gone. So, there’s your reward for helping deliver a highly acclaimed, hot selling, and super-successful product. “Right, good job, bugger off.” [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dnd-ogl-is-anyone-following-this-thoughts/977886.md?page=17) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dnd-ogl-is-anyone-following-this-thoughts/977886.md?page=19)