# DND OGL - Is anyone following this? Thoughts? **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Tags:** rpg-dnd-wargames\ **Created:** [January 8, 2023, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dnd-ogl-is-anyone-following-this-thoughts/977886 "2023-01-08T18:54:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 29
**Author:** ![vislor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/vislor/32/5933_2.png) [@vislor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vislor)\ **Post date:** [March 13, 2025, 2:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dnd-ogl-is-anyone-following-this-thoughts/977886/561 "2025-03-13T02:46:39Z")
I think it’s great that Arcane Library, and other indie publishers, are doing well. Kudos to them. It’s not for me, and I have read the free rules of Shadowdark. I’m sure with a DM I know and trust it would be great. It’s not something I would want to use for a campaign I run. Thanks for the discussion! ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2025, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dnd-ogl-is-anyone-following-this-thoughts/977886/562 "2025-03-23T16:57:40Z")
Hasbro has ceased development on its fledgling VTT product Sigil, which was sort of a 3D virtual tabletop with miniatures and D&D Beyond integration. Most of the development team was laid off, what product they have will be added to DDB and they don’t plan to add anything else to it. Doesn’t make any difference to me but I’m guessing the people at Roll20 and other VTTs are happy to hear it. > **[It's not looking good for D&D's virtual tabletop Sigil, as Hasbro follows...](https://www.pcgamer.com/games/its-not-looking-good-for-d-and-ds-virtual-tabletop-sigil-as-hasbro-follows-a-quiet-release-by-reportedly-laying-off-90-percent-of-the-people-working-on-it/)** > > Not a great sign. ---
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [March 23, 2025, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dnd-ogl-is-anyone-following-this-thoughts/977886/563 "2025-03-23T23:23:07Z")
[![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/FrN-YC0YCWo/maxresdefault.jpg "Hasbro/WOTC lays off 90 PERCENT of the D&D VTT team (Rules Lawyer)") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FrN-YC0YCWo) [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/n-3VzAy8lyc/maxresdefault.jpg "D&D VTT on life support after WoTC fires 90% of devs") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n-3VzAy8lyc) [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/_NXuVdOMXgU/maxresdefault.jpg "D&D’s Sigil VTT Launch Is Already A Disaster!") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_NXuVdOMXgU) Stranger ---
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2025, 3:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dnd-ogl-is-anyone-following-this-thoughts/977886/564 "2025-03-25T03:35:26Z")
And more on the Hasbro/WotC VTT: [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/58bDgW3nqR8/maxresdefault.jpg "LEAKED internal Docs reveal why the DnD VTT is D.O.A.") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=58bDgW3nqR8) Stranger ---
**Author:** ![Odesio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/odesio/32/20003_2.png) [@Odesio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odesio)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2025, 3:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dnd-ogl-is-anyone-following-this-thoughts/977886/565 "2025-03-25T03:56:24Z")
> [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](#): > > And more on the Hasbro/WotC VTT: I watched this video while I was working today and it all went in one ear and out the other. What was the main thrust of the video? ---
**Author:** ![Saint\_Cad](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/saint_cad/32/18907_2.png) [@Saint\_Cad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Saint_Cad)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2025, 4:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dnd-ogl-is-anyone-following-this-thoughts/977886/566 "2025-03-25T04:02:12Z")
An important part of the game is that the players should be able to outsmart the DM. I played one game where the easy solution was to swim to an island to get an artifact. Problem was it was acid not water. But wait, my character is immune to acid so I hop in and guess what, it’s not acid, it is some sort of destructo-water that causes damage to me. As a counterpoint to that, one game we each had a talisman that would grant us one wish. So we are on a train and a carful of gold is going to the Big Baddy to complete his project of evil. We have to fight through the entire train and unhook the gold-car before it gets to the station. This is going to be tough. I wish all of the gold to go to my secret cave hideout. Boom, mission accomplished. ---
**Author:** ![vislor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/vislor/32/5933_2.png) [@vislor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vislor)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2025, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dnd-ogl-is-anyone-following-this-thoughts/977886/567 "2025-03-25T15:46:46Z")
> [@Odesio](#): > > I watched this video while I was working today and it all went in one ear and out the other. What was the main thrust of the video? The main thrust of the video is that they found no way to make video game money off Sigil, so would rather get rid of it sooner rather than later. A friend got into the Beta a month ago and gave the group keys. It was awful. If I am making a map to use, I have to place everything by hand, tile by tile. WTF? I can’t even pick a generic tile type (grass, stone, wood), draw a square, and fill that area with that type. I have to place them tile by tile. Not going to happen. Further, it had some higher than average requirements that if one player didn’t have, it can’t be used. On another topic but related I’m annoyed because I got 2d dungeon tiles to make a dungeon for my VTT games and I want 5x5, 7x7, 11x11 ones that fit together and I can make little dungeon areas. Instead, they were 1x1. I have to make the entire dungeon a tile at a time. I’m doing something with Tiled to try and make my bigger tiles but it’s a slow process to get one extra style. Of course, I don’t find a bunch of options out there for VTT. Heroic Maps has some, so does The Dungeon Archive, with an auto creator for Foundry. Thanks for the discussion! ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2025, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dnd-ogl-is-anyone-following-this-thoughts/977886/568 "2025-03-25T19:26:46Z")
> [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](#): > > And more on the Hasbro/WotC VTT: You can’t trust that youtuber- he has been caught making up shit to get clicks, and has turned his channel into a Hater channel. > [@vislor](#): > > The main thrust of the video is that they found no way to make video game money off Sigil, so would rather get rid of it sooner rather than later. The truth was- they couldnt get the technology to work like they wanted, so they dumped it. This happens, and is no big deal. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [March 25, 2025, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dnd-ogl-is-anyone-following-this-thoughts/977886/569 "2025-03-25T19:38:37Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > You can’t trust that youtuber Probably as much as we can trust Hasbro 😉 ---
**Author:** ![DCTrekkie](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dctrekkie/32/18862_2.png) [@DCTrekkie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DCTrekkie)\ **Post date:** [March 26, 2025, 8:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dnd-ogl-is-anyone-following-this-thoughts/977886/570 "2025-03-26T20:10:32Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > You can’t trust that youtuber- he has been caught making up shit to get clicks, and has turned his channel into a Hater channel. Cite? There’s certainly been plenty of legitimate reasons to “hate” WotC/DnDBeyond the last couple of years. Glancing at his video feed he definitely seems to be playing to the algorithm, but so do most popular youtubers if they want to make any money off it. Is he actually making things up, or just focusing on the (real) negative stories? ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2025, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dnd-ogl-is-anyone-following-this-thoughts/977886/571 "2025-03-27T00:53:53Z")
> [@DCTrekkie](#): > > Cite? There’s certainly been plenty of legitimate reasons to “hate” WotC/DnDBeyond the last couple of years. [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/v4rkFEJBXs8/maxresdefault.jpg "WRONG! Professor Dungeon Master Is Completely Wrong About the Sales of the 2024 DND, PHB and MM IMHO") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4rkFEJBXs8) And name a few? OGL? Totally bogus. The thing about the guy getting ahold of preview cards? More bullshit. But all that aside, he makes his click thru WotC hate. ---
**Author:** ![vislor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/vislor/32/5933_2.png) [@vislor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vislor)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2025, 4:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dnd-ogl-is-anyone-following-this-thoughts/977886/572 "2025-03-27T16:03:45Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > And name a few? OGL? Totally bogus. The thing about the guy getting ahold of preview cards? More bullshit. > > But all that aside, he makes his click thru WotC hate. I listened to that and it’s worse than anything Glicker has done because Glicker does have numbers he shares. I shared my thoughts on that video because that YouTuber commits every issue he blames the others for, with less numbers. Does PDM have clickbait frames? YES! I don’t think the videos themselves are any worse than anything else. PDM has said repeatedly he is told to do painting tutorials, tips, and reviews. When he does those, they under perform by three to one for his clickbait videos. I can’t blame a YouTuber for knowing how to game the algorithm. Or what @DCTrekkie said! > [@DrDeth](#): > > You can’t trust that youtuber- he has been caught making up shit to get clicks, and has turned his channel into a Hater channel. I would like you to point to a specific video where he has been a hater. From what I have seen, he loves all gaming. I’m willing to be proven wrong. Thanks for the discussion! ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2025, 7:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dnd-ogl-is-anyone-following-this-thoughts/977886/573 "2025-03-27T19:10:01Z")
> [@vislor](#): > > I would like you to point to a specific video where he has been a hater. From what I have seen, he loves all gaming. I’m willing to be proven wrong. In order to do that, I would have to give him a lot of clicks, which I am unwilling to do. ---
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2025, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dnd-ogl-is-anyone-following-this-thoughts/977886/574 "2025-03-27T19:12:22Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > In order to do that, I would have to give him a lot of clicks, which I am unwilling to do. So you won’t (or can’t) back up your accusations or demonstrated how the criticisms are ‘totally bogus’. Your posts are a great contribution to the discussion, not to mention a 12 minute up-nostril video of a gibbering idiot ranting in full stream-of-consciousness format. Stranger ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2025, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dnd-ogl-is-anyone-following-this-thoughts/977886/575 "2025-03-27T19:37:04Z")
I don’t think “He’s a hater” is especially meaningful anyway. You could dedicate a channel to talking shit about a topic and still be accurate in your facts. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2025, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dnd-ogl-is-anyone-following-this-thoughts/977886/576 "2025-03-27T19:45:22Z")
> [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](#): > > So you won’t (or can’t) back up your accusations or demonstrated how the criticisms are ‘totally bogus’. Let us say the only way to prove a point was to donate $1 to 25 MAGA politicians, using real name and email. I wouldnt do that either. ---
**Author:** ![DocCathode](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doccathode/32/18773_2.png) [@DocCathode](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DocCathode)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2025, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dnd-ogl-is-anyone-following-this-thoughts/977886/577 "2025-03-27T19:47:21Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Let us say the only way to prove a point was to donate $1 to 25 MAGA politicians, using real name and email. I wouldnt do that either. So, you agree that > [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](#): > > So you won’t (or can’t) back up your accusations or demonstrated how the criticisms are ‘totally bogus That’s good to know. ---
**Author:** ![Odesio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/odesio/32/20003_2.png) [@Odesio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odesio)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2025, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dnd-ogl-is-anyone-following-this-thoughts/977886/578 "2025-03-27T19:50:58Z")
> [@Jophiel](#): > > I don’t think “He’s a hater” is especially meaningful anyway. You could dedicate a channel to talking shit about a topic and still be accurate in your facts. ::Games Workshop YouTubers have entered the chat:: ---
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2025, 8:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dnd-ogl-is-anyone-following-this-thoughts/977886/579 "2025-03-27T20:08:18Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Let us say the only way to prove a point was to donate $1 to 25 MAGA politicians, using real name and email. I wouldnt do that either. You might think that you wouldn’t do that, but [you are actually promoting a literal Trump apologist](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xk8MEygdELY&t=226s). Stranger ---
**Author:** ![vislor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/vislor/32/5933_2.png) [@vislor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vislor)\ **Post date:** [March 27, 2025, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dnd-ogl-is-anyone-following-this-thoughts/977886/580 "2025-03-27T20:12:37Z")
I think anyone that uses Scott Garibay to prove his point needs to find another source. If that is what @Stranger_On_A_Train is saying, my apologies. I replied to SGs video that was posted and we had a decent conversation. I looked up his other videos and he thinks that Critical Role was rude to Orion Acaba. WTF? Orion was a complete jerk on CR, in character and out. Even **I** was embarrassed by some of his comments. I was also pissed by some of his in game character actions. I think he was about to say that Orion was canceled and I couldn’t watch more. My apologies if that is inappropriate for the board. Thanks for the discussion. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dnd-ogl-is-anyone-following-this-thoughts/977886.md?page=28) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dnd-ogl-is-anyone-following-this-thoughts/977886.md?page=30)