# DND OGL - Is anyone following this? Thoughts? **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Tags:** rpg-dnd-wargames\ **Created:** [January 8, 2023, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dnd-ogl-is-anyone-following-this-thoughts/977886 "2023-01-08T18:54:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 35
**Author:** ![Odesio](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/odesio/32/20003_2.png) [@Odesio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Odesio)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2025, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dnd-ogl-is-anyone-following-this-thoughts/977886/681 "2025-06-20T15:54:47Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > Hell, I remember inventing a Star Wars RPG back in 1986. And when you published it in 1987 it became super popular! I loved that game. ---
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [June 20, 2025, 4:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dnd-ogl-is-anyone-following-this-thoughts/977886/682 "2025-06-20T16:41:58Z")
> [@vislor](#): > > I didn’t mean to say that Crawford and Perkins made Daggerheart or had anything to do with it. I meant CR made the game. I’m disappointed they made a new game rather than using something that exists. I get why. They don’t want to be beholden to another company again Based upon reviews, _Daggerheart_ is a more narrative-focused game with mechanics that support the style of play portrayed in _Critical Role_ than _Dungeons & Dragons 5th Edition_; in fact, although I’ve only watched a few episodes over the years but it is evident that Mercer ignores or selectively applies rules as suits the narrative rather than dogmatically `apply the rules, or “rulings over rules” in the current vernacular. It also streamlines combat by making damage and the potential for serious effects significant and using a conditional initiative system that isn’t just a linear grind of going around the table in the same order every time with a “5E”-derived system. So, it isn’t just that “[t]hey don’t want to be beholden to another company again” but mechanics that fit better with the style of play they are presenting. Of course, I’m part of the motivation was to leverage the popularity of their platform into bolstering their publishing arm (Darrington Press) as well, and this gives a platform to popularize their game to role players who have not experienced other games. Stranger ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [June 21, 2025, 1:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dnd-ogl-is-anyone-following-this-thoughts/977886/683 "2025-06-21T13:35:49Z")
> [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](#): > > I’ve only watched a few episodes over the years but it is evident that Mercer ignores or selectively applies rules as suits the narrative rather than dogmatically `apply the rules, or “rulings over rules” in the current vernacular. I’m not sure that’s true. He has a few house rules (full attacks on a readied action, bonus action to drink a potion, and a few others), but overwhelmingly during a game when he doesn’t follow rules, it comes across as a mistake rather than as a deliberate decision. He’s got a very strong understanding of the rules, but not perfect, and in a game with 7 or more players and an effort to keep things moving, mistakes are inevitable. Are there particular instances you can think of where he selective ignores rules? In any case, much prefer a narrative-focused game and am excited to check out Daggerheart. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2025, 4:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dnd-ogl-is-anyone-following-this-thoughts/977886/684 "2025-06-24T16:33:19Z")
> [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](#): > > overwhelmingly during a game when he doesn’t follow rules, it comes across as a mistake rather than as a deliberate decision. [Literal quote from Matt](https://www.tiktok.com/@pixelists/video/7268094012064632110): “Play it by the rules until it’s not fun, and then break 'em”. ---
**Author:** ![Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/left_hand_of_dorkness/32/7156_2.png) [@Left\_Hand\_of\_Dorkness](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Left_Hand_of_Dorkness)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2025, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dnd-ogl-is-anyone-following-this-thoughts/977886/685 "2025-06-24T17:03:30Z")
Fair. I just can’t think of any instances in which he clearly was breaking the rules on purpose. But maybe there are a lot of occasions that I thought were mistakes that were actually deliberate rules breaking. ---
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2025, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dnd-ogl-is-anyone-following-this-thoughts/977886/686 "2025-07-08T21:53:26Z")
[![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/ZasSSMNqsZM/maxresdefault.jpg "Bankruptcy SCANDAL rocks TTRPGs! Is Pathfinder headed to Five Below?!") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZasSSMNqsZM) Diamond Comic Distributors, distributors for Paizo Publishing, Goodman Games, and Green Ronin, among others, has asked the bankruptcy court for permission to take ownership of consignment stock and allow it to sell inventory “free and clear of the consigners interest” to pay its debts. Stranger ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2025, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dnd-ogl-is-anyone-following-this-thoughts/977886/687 "2025-07-08T22:11:42Z")
…Is that a thing? Consignment stock isn’t owned by the seller. Why should the owners have their property confiscated like that? ---
**Author:** ![vislor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/vislor/32/5933_2.png) [@vislor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vislor)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2025, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dnd-ogl-is-anyone-following-this-thoughts/977886/688 "2025-07-08T22:35:21Z")
Well, according to Roll For Combat’s Steven Glicker, it is a thing. His latest video had some hope for anyone involved because it’s a Chapter 11, not 7, and they are still doing business. They got bought, so have money to pay off debt and give people their merchandise back. I don’t know if it’s true but that’s what he said. [Roll For Combat on Diamond Chapter 11](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2i41TKitLp8) ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2025, 10:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dnd-ogl-is-anyone-following-this-thoughts/977886/689 "2025-07-08T22:35:45Z")
> [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](#): > > Diamond Comic Distributors, distributors for Paizo Publishing, Goodman Games, and Green Ronin, among others, has asked the bankruptcy court for permission to take ownership of consignment stock and allow it to sell inventory “free and clear of the consigners interest” to pay its debts. Usual Professor DM clickbait. **Pathfinder** is in no danger of bankruptcy, just a distributor. And Paizo stock is not sold on consignment, anyway. They are paid within 30 days. Here is real news from Paizo- > **[paizo.com - Community / Paizo Blog](https://paizo.com/community/blog/v5748dyo71kxl)** > [@Chronos](#): > > Is that a thing? Consignment stock isn’t owned by the seller. Why should the owners have their property confiscated like that? **Nothing** from that YTer can be taken as true. He puts out a LOT of clickbait. ---
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2025, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dnd-ogl-is-anyone-following-this-thoughts/977886/690 "2025-07-08T22:51:11Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Usual Professor DM clickbait Do you ever have anything to contribute this thread other than screaming ‘Clickbait!”, linking to videos by [a gross and misogynistic troll](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dnd-ogl-is-anyone-following-this-thoughts/977886/571), and generally being needlessly combattive? Stranger ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2025, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dnd-ogl-is-anyone-following-this-thoughts/977886/691 "2025-07-08T23:18:12Z")
> [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](#): > > Do you ever have anything to contribute this thread other than screaming ‘Clickbait!”, I have 110 posts in this topic. I posted in response to your sharing of his vids, what half a dozen times or more?. You share one of his vids, I points out that he is lying clickbait. Simple. ---
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [July 8, 2025, 11:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dnd-ogl-is-anyone-following-this-thoughts/977886/692 "2025-07-08T23:45:32Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > You share one of his vids, I points out that he is lying clickbait. Simple. What _specifically_ about the linked video made it “lying clickbait”? Stranger ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2025, 2:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dnd-ogl-is-anyone-following-this-thoughts/977886/693 "2025-07-09T02:07:14Z")
> [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](#): > > What _specifically_ about the linked video made it “lying clickbait”? The headline “is Pathfinder header for Five below” is _at best_ misleading and clickbait. ---
**Author:** ![Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/13edae/32.png) [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stranger_On_A_Train)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2025, 4:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dnd-ogl-is-anyone-following-this-thoughts/977886/694 "2025-07-09T04:31:15Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > The headline “is Pathfinder header for Five below” is _at best_ misleading and clickbait. Because…their consigned stock isn’t going to be sold off by Diamond at discount prices to pay their debts? How is that clickbait? Stranger ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2025, 6:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dnd-ogl-is-anyone-following-this-thoughts/977886/695 "2025-07-09T06:46:23Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > And Paizo stock is not sold on consignment, anyway. They are paid within 30 days. Where did you find that stated? Paizo certainly didn’t make that clear with their own blog post. > [@DrDeth](#): > > The headline “is Pathfinder header for Five below” is _at best_ misleading and clickbait. What, exactly, do you think “headed for Five Below” means, other than “having their stuff sold at a discount store”? ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2025, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dnd-ogl-is-anyone-following-this-thoughts/977886/696 "2025-07-09T16:45:13Z")
> [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](#): > > What _specifically_ about the linked video made it “lying clickbait”? [Psst…](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/i-pit-drdeth/933971/1614) ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2025, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dnd-ogl-is-anyone-following-this-thoughts/977886/697 "2025-07-09T19:14:35Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > Where did you find that stated? Paizo certainly didn’t make that clear with their own blog post. Have you ever worked retail? > [@Stranger\_On\_A\_Train](#): > > Because…their consigned stock isn’t going to be sold off by Diamond at discount prices to pay their debts? Pathfinder itself aint headed nowhere. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2025, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dnd-ogl-is-anyone-following-this-thoughts/977886/698 "2025-07-09T19:20:13Z")
Yes, I have, including book sales, but that also doesn’t answer the question. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2025, 7:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dnd-ogl-is-anyone-following-this-thoughts/977886/699 "2025-07-09T19:22:18Z")
Large companies do not sell their products to distributors on consignment. They ship on a 30 days paid basis, or maybe if you are great customer, you get 60 days. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [July 9, 2025, 7:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dnd-ogl-is-anyone-following-this-thoughts/977886/700 "2025-07-09T19:24:48Z")
Paizo is in no way a large company, and any way, that’s _still_ not a cite for them, specifically, having a 30-day deal. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dnd-ogl-is-anyone-following-this-thoughts/977886.md?page=34) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/dnd-ogl-is-anyone-following-this-thoughts/977886.md?page=36)