# Do any intelligent conservatives still take Fox News seriously? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 28, 2009, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-any-intelligent-conservatives-still-take-fox-news-seriously/494649 "2009-04-28T18:25:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2009, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-any-intelligent-conservatives-still-take-fox-news-seriously/494649/1 "2009-04-28T18:25:06Z")
I pose the question in the OP after posting the latest example of Fox News [falsifying another video clip](http://mediamatters.org/items/200904250003?f=h_latest) The summary is basically that Wendell Goler played another one of those cropped videos to give a false impression of President Obama saying something he didn’t say. Essentially, he played a clip of Obama quoting a question during a Town Hall meeting and cropped it to make it look like Obama was voicing his own opinion: > [@](#): > > During the March 26 “Open for Questions” town hall event, Jared Bernstein, chief economic adviser to Vice President Joe Biden, read Obama the following question submitted online by “Richard in California”: “Why can we not have a universal health care system, like many European countries, where people are treated based on needs rather than financial resources?” After explaining of health care reform, “the reason that I think it is so important is that the high costs of health care are a huge drag on our economy,” Obama paraphrased the question he had been asked, saying " **Now, the question is** , _if you’re going to fix it, why not do a universal health care system like the European countries?"_ before responding that America’s current employer-based system “works for a lot of Americans. And so I don’t think the best way to fix our health care system is to suddenly completely scrap what everybody is accustomed to and the vast majority of people already have. Rather, what I think we should do is to build on the system that we have and fill some of these gaps.” Goler played only the italicized portion above, leaving about the part I bolded (where Obama reiterates that he’s paraphrasing a question asked by someone else), and omitted the part where Obama says he’s AGAINST “European style health care,” intentionally creating a false impression that Obama had expressed support for it. As far as I know, there’s been no aknowledgement of this by Fox, but this is getting really old. There’s no other network that is as routinely dishonest as Fox. MSNBC might be lean further to the left than a one-legged drunk (and no, I don’t take the commentary shows on MSNBC seriously, or even watch them anymore), but it doesn’t routinely falsify it’s actual news reporting the way Fox does. Is it just me or does it seem like Fox Noise has gone completely off the deep end since the election? Obviously, they were never “Fair and Balanced,” but the bias coud still fairly be _limited_ to being called bias, in that they leaned but didn’t fall over. Now there’s no longer even the slightest pretense. It’s exactly like talk radio now. I think it might have something to do with the departure of former manging editor, Brit Hume, who was a righty, but not without some minimal standards of journalistic ethcs and professionalism. Now it’s just all nutjobbery all the time. My God, have you seen that Glenn Beck show? It’s just an hour a day of an unmedicated schizophrenic raving at the furniture. So that’s my question – do any conservatives around here still give FNC any credibility at all as a news organization? Do yu still have any confidence in their bare bones news reporting? Is there anyone who thinks that Beck, Hannity, O’Reilly or Van Susteren have any intelligent or valuable insights? Or how about that rldiculous morning show with those two buffoons and the inflatable, idiot fuck doll? Does anyone ever feel informed after watching that show? I think the only sane person left at that network is Shepherd “WE DO NOT FUCKING TORTURE” Smith. I feel sorry for that guy. ---
**Author:** ![Labrador\_Deceiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7c8e57/32.png) [@Labrador\_Deceiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Labrador_Deceiver)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2009, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-any-intelligent-conservatives-still-take-fox-news-seriously/494649/2 "2009-04-28T18:35:08Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > I pose the question in the OP after posting the latest example of Fox News [falsifying another video clip](http://mediamatters.org/items/200904250003?f=h_latest) Who knows? Do any Democrats? They seem to watch almost as much of the Fox News Channel as Republicans. ---
**Author:** ![Richard\_Parker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/35a633/32.png) [@Richard\_Parker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Richard_Parker)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2009, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-any-intelligent-conservatives-still-take-fox-news-seriously/494649/3 "2009-04-28T18:43:25Z")
> [@Labrador\_Deceiver](#): > > Who knows? Do any Democrats? They seem to watch almost as much of the Fox News Channel as Republicans. Like pro wrestling, there is an important difference between watching Fox News and taking it seriously. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Amazing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@Captain\_Amazing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Amazing)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2009, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-any-intelligent-conservatives-still-take-fox-news-seriously/494649/4 "2009-04-28T18:52:41Z")
Although, looking at the transcript, I’m wondering if Goler did reverse it. Obama said, in part (bolding mine): > [@](#): > > Now, the question is, if you’re going to fix it, why not do a universal health care system like the European countries? **I actually want a universal health care system; that is our goal.** So, Goler’s claiming that the President wants universal health care, but the President really does want universal health care. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2009, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-any-intelligent-conservatives-still-take-fox-news-seriously/494649/5 "2009-04-28T18:55:50Z")
> [@Captain\_Amazing](#): > > Although, looking at the transcript, I’m wondering if Goler did reverse it. Obama said, in part (bolding mine): > > So, Goler’s claiming that the President wants universal health care, but the President really does want universal health care. No, Goler cropped the clip to imply that Obama wants a _European style_ heath care system, which Obama explicitly said he did NOT want in the part of his answer that was cut out. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2009, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-any-intelligent-conservatives-still-take-fox-news-seriously/494649/6 "2009-04-28T19:07:48Z")
So when Obama said he wanted “a universal health care system like the European countries”, it is false for FoxNews to imply that he wanted a European health care system. "Do any intelligent conservatives take Fox News seriously?’ Sure. The caricatures presented by the SDMB, not so much. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![DoctorJ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doctorj/32/2904_2.png) [@DoctorJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DoctorJ)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2009, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-any-intelligent-conservatives-still-take-fox-news-seriously/494649/7 "2009-04-28T19:12:56Z")
> [@](#): > > MSNBC might be lean further to the left than a one-legged drunk Well, aside from the former Republican congressman who does three hours every morning. ---
**Author:** ![Captain\_Carrot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/f0a364/32.png) [@Captain\_Carrot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Captain_Carrot)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2009, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-any-intelligent-conservatives-still-take-fox-news-seriously/494649/8 "2009-04-28T19:14:09Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > So when Obama said he wanted “a universal health care system like the European countries”, it is false for FoxNews to imply that he wanted a European health care system. That’s not what he said, which you’d know if you’d actually read the thread, or the quotes. You’re pathetic, **Shodan**. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2009, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-any-intelligent-conservatives-still-take-fox-news-seriously/494649/9 "2009-04-28T19:15:01Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > So when Obama said he wanted “a universal health care system like the European countries”, it is false for FoxNews to imply that he wanted a European health care system. He DIDN’T say that. That’s the point. He was quoting the QUESTION. Those were not his words. ---
**Author:** ![Hamlet](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hamlet/32/2818_2.png) [@Hamlet](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hamlet)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2009, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-any-intelligent-conservatives-still-take-fox-news-seriously/494649/10 "2009-04-28T19:20:09Z")
> [@Captain\_Carrot](#): > > That’s not what he said, which you’d know if you’d actually read the thread, or the quotes. You’re pathetic, **Shodan**. Well, the title of the thread did mention INTELLIGENT conservatives. That leaves **Shodan** right out. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2009, 7:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-any-intelligent-conservatives-still-take-fox-news-seriously/494649/11 "2009-04-28T19:30:54Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > I pose the question in the OP after posting the latest example of Fox News [falsifying another video clip](http://mediamatters.org/items/200904250003?f=h_latest) > > The summary is basically that Wendell Goler played another one of those cropped videos to give a false impression of President Obama saying something he didn’t say. Essentially, he played a clip of Obama quoting a question during a Town Hall meeting and cropped it to make it look like Obama was voicing his own opinion: I was with you until I viewed the video. He clearly shows Obama reading a question from the screen. I wasn’t confused by that at all. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2009, 7:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-any-intelligent-conservatives-still-take-fox-news-seriously/494649/12 "2009-04-28T19:31:23Z")
> [@Hamlet](#): > > Well, the title of the thread did mention INTELLIGENT conservatives. That leaves **Shodan** right out. Perhaps the OP is being overly restrictive. ---
**Author:** ![Equipoise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/equipoise/32/151_2.png) [@Equipoise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Equipoise)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2009, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-any-intelligent-conservatives-still-take-fox-news-seriously/494649/13 "2009-04-28T19:32:41Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > So when Obama said he wanted “a universal health care system like the European countries”, it is false for FoxNews to imply that he wanted a European health care system. > > "Do any intelligent conservatives take Fox News seriously?’ Sure. The caricatures presented by the SDMB, not so much. Surreal Post of the Day. ---
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2009, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-any-intelligent-conservatives-still-take-fox-news-seriously/494649/14 "2009-04-28T19:33:14Z")
> [@Captain\_Carrot](#): > > That’s not what he said, which you’d know if you’d actually read the thread, or the quotes. You’re pathetic, **Shodan**. Yes, he did say that, as **Captain Amazing** ’s quote makes clear. Obama said, specifically, that he wants a universal health care system like the Europeans. Whatever. You people are being stupid on purpose, and succeeding. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2009, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-any-intelligent-conservatives-still-take-fox-news-seriously/494649/15 "2009-04-28T19:34:38Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > I was with you until I viewed the video. He clearly shows Obama reading a question from the screen. I wasn’t confused by that at all. Regardless of whether you understood that he was reading, Goler still cut out the part where Obama said he was OPPOSED to European style health care, leaving the impression that he was in favor of it. ---
**Author:** ![Equipoise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/equipoise/32/151_2.png) [@Equipoise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Equipoise)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2009, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-any-intelligent-conservatives-still-take-fox-news-seriously/494649/16 "2009-04-28T19:35:21Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > I was with you until I viewed the video. He clearly shows Obama reading a question from the screen. I wasn’t confused by that at all. Runner up. [QUOTE=Shodan] Yes, he did say that, as Captain Amazing’s quote makes clear. Obama said, specifically, that he wants a universal health care system like the Europeans. [/QUOTE] Sorry Shodan, you already won. You can’t enter twice. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2009, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-any-intelligent-conservatives-still-take-fox-news-seriously/494649/17 "2009-04-28T19:35:43Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Yes, he did say that, as **Captain Amazing** ’s quote makes clear. Obama said, specifically, that he wants a universal health care system like the Europeans. No, he was reading a question from the audience and he said he answered in the NEGATIVE. ---
**Author:** ![tdn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/94ad74/32.png) [@tdn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tdn)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2009, 7:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-any-intelligent-conservatives-still-take-fox-news-seriously/494649/18 "2009-04-28T19:36:46Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Yes, he did say that, as **Captain Amazing** ’s quote makes clear. Obama said, specifically, that he wants a universal health care system like the Europeans. No. He didn’t. That’s the whole point. ---
**Author:** ![MsWhatsit](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/eb8c5e/32.png) [@MsWhatsit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MsWhatsit)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2009, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-any-intelligent-conservatives-still-take-fox-news-seriously/494649/19 "2009-04-28T19:37:21Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > Yes, he did say that, as **Captain Amazing** ’s quote makes clear. Obama said, specifically, that he wants a universal health care system like the Europeans. Er, no, he didn’t. I just scrolled up to look at **Captain Amazing** ’s quote. Obama said that he wants a universal health care system. Not a universal health care system like the Europeans. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2009, 7:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-any-intelligent-conservatives-still-take-fox-news-seriously/494649/20 "2009-04-28T19:42:46Z")
Basically he said he wanted universal health care, but not _nationalized_ (European style) health care. “Universal” =/= “European.” [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-any-intelligent-conservatives-still-take-fox-news-seriously/494649.md?page=2)