# Do any intelligent conservatives still take Fox News seriously? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [April 28, 2009, 6:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-any-intelligent-conservatives-still-take-fox-news-seriously/494649 "2009-04-28T18:25:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Shodan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/9f8e36/32.png) [@Shodan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Shodan)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2009, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-any-intelligent-conservatives-still-take-fox-news-seriously/494649/21 "2009-04-28T19:45:44Z")
So European countries don’t have a universal health care system? Okay. Regards, Shodan ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2009, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-any-intelligent-conservatives-still-take-fox-news-seriously/494649/22 "2009-04-28T19:46:34Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > Regardless of whether you understood that he was reading, Goler still cut out the part where Obama said he was OPPOSED to European style health care, leaving the impression that he was in favor of it. I honestly did not get that impression. Directly after cutting from the video of Obama, Goler states: > [@](#): > > GOLER: His critics worry universal health care would mean government health care. To me, that’s saying that universal health care and government health care are not one and the same. That there is more than one way to provide health care for the masses. Parse it as you like, but I seriously did not get the impression you fear. ::shrug:: ---
**Author:** ![tdn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/94ad74/32.png) [@tdn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tdn)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2009, 7:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-any-intelligent-conservatives-still-take-fox-news-seriously/494649/23 "2009-04-28T19:47:38Z")
**Dio** , I think that **Shodan** partly answered your question. We can clearly see what sorts of people take Fox News seriously. To give **Shodan** some credit, at least he’s thoughful about his idiocy. Many Americans will drink the Koolaid without giving it a second thought. ---
**Author:** ![tdn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/94ad74/32.png) [@tdn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tdn)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2009, 7:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-any-intelligent-conservatives-still-take-fox-news-seriously/494649/24 "2009-04-28T19:48:54Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > So European countries don’t have a universal health care system? Okay. I take back my “thoughful” comment. ---
**Author:** ![Equipoise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/equipoise/32/151_2.png) [@Equipoise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Equipoise)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2009, 7:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-any-intelligent-conservatives-still-take-fox-news-seriously/494649/25 "2009-04-28T19:50:31Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > So European countries don’t have a universal health care system? Okay. Ok, _Surreal **POSTER** of the Day_. Happy now? ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2009, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-any-intelligent-conservatives-still-take-fox-news-seriously/494649/26 "2009-04-28T19:51:31Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > So European countries don’t have a universal health care system? Okay. You can’t honestly be this dense. All universal health care doesn’t have to mean European style. After reading the question, Obama said that while he IS in favor of unversal health care, he is NOT in favor of doing it EUROPEAN style, ok? The terms are not synonomous. “European style” is a subset of “universal.” It’s not the only one. ---
**Author:** ![tdn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/94ad74/32.png) [@tdn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tdn)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2009, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-any-intelligent-conservatives-still-take-fox-news-seriously/494649/27 "2009-04-28T19:53:27Z")
> [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](#): > > You can’t honestly be this dense. Yes, he can. ---
**Author:** ![LilShieste](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/9f8e36/32.png) [@LilShieste](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LilShieste)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2009, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-any-intelligent-conservatives-still-take-fox-news-seriously/494649/28 "2009-04-28T19:54:19Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > So European countries don’t have a universal health care system? Okay. Pepperoni pizza is a type of pizza. This does not mean all pizzas are pepperoni pizzas. The European model of universal health care is a type of universal health care. This does not mean all universal health care follows the European model. I hope I helped clear up the confusion for you. ---
**Author:** ![magellan01](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@magellan01](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/magellan01)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2009, 7:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-any-intelligent-conservatives-still-take-fox-news-seriously/494649/29 "2009-04-28T19:54:57Z")
> [@Equipoise](#): > > Runner up. I accurately gleaned what was being communicated by the video, and you find that troublesome. Okaaaaay… :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![SteveG1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bb73d2/32.png) [@SteveG1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SteveG1)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2009, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-any-intelligent-conservatives-still-take-fox-news-seriously/494649/30 "2009-04-28T19:58:30Z")
> [@](#): > > “Now, the question is, if you’re going to fix it, why not do a universal health care system like the European countries?” before responding that America’s current employer-based system “works for a lot of Americans. And so I don’t think the best way to fix our health care system is to suddenly completely scrap what everybody is accustomed to and the vast majority of people already have. Rather, what I think we should do is to build on the system that we have and fill some of these gaps.” That doesn’t look to me like he was advocating a European system at all. Instead, it looks more like “keep what we have but make it work better”. ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2009, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-any-intelligent-conservatives-still-take-fox-news-seriously/494649/31 "2009-04-28T19:59:36Z")
> [@LilShieste](#): > > Pepperoni pizza is a type of pizza. This does not mean all pizzas are pepperoni pizzas. > The European model of universal health care is a type of universal health care. This does not mean all universal health care follows the European model. > > I hope I helped clear up the confusion for you. You just know he’s not going to get this, an is going to go off on a tangent now about Pizza. I hope you’re happy. ---
**Author:** ![Equipoise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/equipoise/32/151_2.png) [@Equipoise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Equipoise)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2009, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-any-intelligent-conservatives-still-take-fox-news-seriously/494649/32 "2009-04-28T20:01:01Z")
> [@magellan01](#): > > I accurately gleaned what was being communicated by the video, and you find that troublesome. Nothing’s troublesome. Quite the contrary. This is all hilarious, just another amusing day in Republicanville. YOU accurately gleaned what was being communicated by the video (because, I assume, you’re psychic and knew that the words right before that were “Now, the question is…”), but the fact that FOX deliberately tried to mislead its viewers (the ones who aren’t quite as on the ball as yourself) is all hunky dory I guess. ---
**Author:** ![tdn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/94ad74/32.png) [@tdn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tdn)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2009, 8:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-any-intelligent-conservatives-still-take-fox-news-seriously/494649/33 "2009-04-28T20:02:01Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > You just know he’s not going to get this, an is going to go off on a tangent now about Pizza. I hope you’re happy. Are you seriously suggesting that pizza is not European? ---
**Author:** ![Rufus\_Xavier](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/eada6e/32.png) [@Rufus\_Xavier](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rufus_Xavier)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2009, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-any-intelligent-conservatives-still-take-fox-news-seriously/494649/34 "2009-04-28T20:11:06Z")
> [@LilShieste](#): > > Pepperoni pizza is a type of pizza. This does not mean all pizzas are pepperoni pizzas. > The European model of universal health care is a type of universal health care. This does not mean all universal health care follows the European model. > > I hope I helped clear up the confusion for you. Here’s what happens at **Shodan** ’s house: **Shodan** : Should we get a pizza, like pepperoni? **Shodan** ’s friend: “Should we get a pizza, like pepperoni?” Well, I like pizza, but I don’t think we should get pepperoni. I do want a pizza. ( **Shodan** orders a pepperoni pizza.) **Shodan** ’s friend: I told you I don’t want pepperoni pizza! **Shodan** : You said you wanted a pizza, like pepperoni. Don’t you get it? **Shodan** ’s friend: Well, I’m outta here. Bye! **Shodan** :😕 ---
**Author:** ![Equipoise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/equipoise/32/151_2.png) [@Equipoise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Equipoise)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2009, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-any-intelligent-conservatives-still-take-fox-news-seriously/494649/35 "2009-04-28T20:16:52Z")
> [@Equipoise](#): > > YOU accurately gleaned what was being communicated by the video (because, I assume, you’re psychic and knew that the words right before that were “Now, the question is…”), but the fact that FOX deliberately tried to mislead its viewers (the ones who aren’t quite as on the ball as yourself) is all hunky dory I guess. :smack: Duh, scratch that. I just re-read your post. You were with the OP _until you viewed the video_, then you understood that President Obama was reading a question, _after you had already read the OP_. You weren’t psychic, you were informed. Unlike the people watching FOX for anything other than laughs, who were led to believe that President Obama did say he did want a universal health care system like the European countries. Sorry Shodan. Upon reflection, it’s a tie. ---
**Author:** ![LilShieste](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/9f8e36/32.png) [@LilShieste](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LilShieste)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2009, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-any-intelligent-conservatives-still-take-fox-news-seriously/494649/36 "2009-04-28T20:17:07Z")
> [@Euphonious\_Polemic](#): > > You just know he’s not going to get this, an is going to go off on a tangent now about Pizza. I hope you’re happy. You know those wind-up toys that walk in a straight line? If you wind it up and let it walk across the room, it will eventually just keep walking into the wall. While it’s doing that, it’s not bothering anyone. Well, except for the annoying, high-pitched whirring sound. ---
**Author:** ![YamatoTwinkie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/cc9497/32.png) [@YamatoTwinkie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YamatoTwinkie)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2009, 8:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-any-intelligent-conservatives-still-take-fox-news-seriously/494649/37 "2009-04-28T20:18:23Z")
> [@Shodan](#): > > So when Obama said he wanted “a universal health care system like the European countries”, it is false for FoxNews to imply that he wanted a European health care system. > > "Do any intelligent conservatives take Fox News seriously?’ Sure. The caricatures presented by the SDMB, not so much. > > Regards, > Shodan “a universal healthcare system like the European countries…is…intelligent… Sure.” Shodan said it himself! There you have it, folks. ---
**Author:** ![Equipoise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/equipoise/32/151_2.png) [@Equipoise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Equipoise)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2009, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-any-intelligent-conservatives-still-take-fox-news-seriously/494649/38 "2009-04-28T20:20:55Z")
Hooray for **Shodan** for seeing the light!! ---
**Author:** ![LilShieste](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/9f8e36/32.png) [@LilShieste](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LilShieste)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2009, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-any-intelligent-conservatives-still-take-fox-news-seriously/494649/39 "2009-04-28T20:20:58Z")
> [@tdn](#): > > Are you seriously suggesting that pizza is not European? "Now, the question is, if you’re going to make a pizza, isn’t it going to be European? Well, some people might like that, but some people like their pizza just the way it is." ---
**Author:** ![Euphonious\_Polemic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/euphonious_polemic/32/3002_2.png) [@Euphonious\_Polemic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Euphonious_Polemic)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2009, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-any-intelligent-conservatives-still-take-fox-news-seriously/494649/40 "2009-04-28T20:23:36Z")
> [@tdn](#): > > Are you seriously suggesting that pizza is not European? Yes, I’m sure a lot of Europeans like Pizza. The point is, what effect will pizza loving Europeans have on our healthcare? And did Obama go back on his Pizza promise? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-any-intelligent-conservatives-still-take-fox-news-seriously/494649.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-any-intelligent-conservatives-still-take-fox-news-seriously/494649.md?page=3)