# Do Any New Cars Still Have The Following? **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [May 13, 2015, 6:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-any-new-cars-still-have-the-following/719916 "2015-05-13T06:08:17Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![bump](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/7c8e57/32.png) [@bump](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bump)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2015, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-any-new-cars-still-have-the-following/719916/41 "2015-05-14T16:53:38Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > I had assumed those went away because of some kind of safety regulation or something, but that article says there simply isn’t demand. I don’t get it: why not? I mean, I’m not asking why bench seats aren’t the most popular option, but it’s hard for me to comprehend that they would be in so little demand that it’s not even worth serving a niche market. I mean, you can fit another person in there, obviously; but you can also do like my parents did when I was little and have someone sleep lying along the front seat at a rest area or campground. Not to mention having your sweetie snuggle up with you while you drive. I suspect that it’s more of a space issue; a lot of modern cars are designed to have bucket seats in the front- the bottom of your ass is actually lower than the top of the transmission hump in a lot of cars. Bench seats flat-out wouldn’t work, and in the sorts of cars that can have bench seats, I suspect center consoles are more popular, because you can put CDs, drinks, etc… in them. I HATED my old Suburban’s old bench seat for this very reason; there wasn’t anywhere to put anything except for some gimpy aftermarket floor console thing that I put in there on the transmission hump. ---
**Author:** ![Precambrianmollusc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/precambrianmollusc/32/63_2.png) [@Precambrianmollusc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Precambrianmollusc)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2015, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-any-new-cars-still-have-the-following/719916/42 "2015-05-14T17:38:17Z")
The Suburban in the LS trim has a 40/20/40 front bench , so you can still get 3 in the front. Ok it is really a truck not a car. ---
**Author:** ![LH75](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lh75/32/4438_2.png) [@LH75](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LH75)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2015, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-any-new-cars-still-have-the-following/719916/43 "2015-05-14T17:40:49Z")
> [@August\_West](#): > > Are there any cars that don’t have power windows? > > I can’t remember the last time I saw a window handle. My 2011 Jeep Wrangler has crank windows. ---
**Author:** ![LH75](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lh75/32/4438_2.png) [@LH75](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LH75)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2015, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-any-new-cars-still-have-the-following/719916/44 "2015-05-14T17:41:50Z")
> [@kayaker](#): > > My 2014 Jeep Wrangler has crank windows and manual locks (I assume to make door removal simpler), also a full size spare. > > Has anyone other than VW ever used the spare tire to power the windshield washer? Sends a Jeep wave to kayaker… ---
**Author:** ![SirRay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cc9497/32.png) [@SirRay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SirRay)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2015, 5:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-any-new-cars-still-have-the-following/719916/45 "2015-05-14T17:46:44Z")
Presuming we’re not talking about [neo-classical cars like a Zimmer](http://www.zimmermotorcars.com/) or the like…how about rumble seats? Wonder if they’d be allowed in new designs nowadays (kinda like riding in a pickup truck bed…only kinda). ---
**Author:** ![Dung\_Beetle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dung_beetle/32/7945_2.png) [@Dung\_Beetle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dung_Beetle)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2015, 5:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-any-new-cars-still-have-the-following/719916/46 "2015-05-14T17:58:14Z")
I’m afraid ignition keyholes will be the next thing to go. Every time we get a loaner or rental car, it comes with a keyfob and no place to put it. Okay, I guess technically there is a little divot near the cupholder where you can put the fob, but it’s annoying to me after a lifetime of using keys and keyholes. It doesn’t come naturally and I don’t see what the advantage is. ---
**Author:** ![SirRay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/cc9497/32.png) [@SirRay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SirRay)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2015, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-any-new-cars-still-have-the-following/719916/47 "2015-05-14T18:59:58Z")
Well, if we are going to bring up carbide lamps, then ( **again excluding neo-classic or custom cars** ) what about headlights mounted on stalks? I think (therefore I’m wrong) that the [1963 Chrysler Imperial](http://cdn.barrett-jackson.com/staging/carlist/items/Fullsize/Cars/15924/15924_Front_3-4_Web.jpg) was the last US domestically manufactured automobile to sport them (in sort of a retro/retro look), and that was that - even the retro Plymouth Prowler had the lights faired into its hood. I specified auto as [the Dodge Power Wagon](http://www.texaspowerwagon.com/detailed_history.htm) was offered for domestic sales up to 1968, and [the Peterbilt Model 389](http://www.peterbilt.com/products/on-highway/389/) is still catalogued (so heavy trucks don’t count). ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2015, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-any-new-cars-still-have-the-following/719916/48 "2015-05-14T19:21:57Z")
Does anybody make a first-world convertible where the top is NOT powered? I fondly (sorta) recall wrestling with several late 60s / early 70s unpowered convertible tops in various states of disrepair and non-lubrication. How about cars where you can open the hood, look inside, and see almost as much pavement as there is engine? I recall engine compartments spacious enough to easily drop a can (another anachronism) of oil between the engine and the wheelwell and have it hit nothing on the way down. ---
**Author:** ![LSLGuy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lslguy/32/5813_2.png) [@LSLGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/LSLGuy)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2015, 7:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-any-new-cars-still-have-the-following/719916/49 "2015-05-14T19:23:34Z")
> [@TruCelt](#): > > The little[toe button switch](http://wac.450f.edgecastcdn.net/80450F/cnynews.com/files/2013/02/dimmer.jpg) for the high beams. … Psst. You were ninja’d by post #1. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2015, 7:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-any-new-cars-still-have-the-following/719916/50 "2015-05-14T19:25:27Z")
> [@Dung\_Beetle](#): > > I’m afraid ignition keyholes will be the next thing to go. Every time we get a loaner or rental car, it comes with a keyfob and no place to put it. Okay, I guess technically there is a little divot near the cupholder where you can put the fob, but it’s annoying to me after a lifetime of using keys and keyholes. It doesn’t come naturally and I don’t see what the advantage is. The advantage is you never have to fish the keys out of your pocket or pocketbook or whatever. Just walk up to the car, push the button on the door handle to unlock, get in the car and push the button to start. Extremely convenient if you’re carrying stuff and don’t want to put anything down to fish out your keys. My keys never leave my pocket from the time I leave the house until the time I get home. ---
**Author:** ![Laggard](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/9de053/32.png) [@Laggard](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Laggard)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2015, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-any-new-cars-still-have-the-following/719916/51 "2015-05-14T19:38:03Z")
How common on new cars is it to have an input on the audio system for your iPod/iPhone/MP3 player? ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2015, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-any-new-cars-still-have-the-following/719916/52 "2015-05-14T19:46:46Z")
> [@Smeghead](#): > > I would seriously pay quite a bit of money to get one of those on my car. > > I didn’t know how badly I want this until just this second. [A-OOOGAH!](http://www.amazon.com/Wolo-330-Fun-Horn-OOOGAH/dp/B00029XGYG/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1431632539&sr=8-1&keywords=aooga+horn) You don’t have to spend too much. ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2015, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-any-new-cars-still-have-the-following/719916/53 "2015-05-14T20:19:12Z")
> [@Laggard](#): > > How common on new cars is it to have an input on the audio system for your iPod/iPhone/MP3 player? Pretty common now. My 2010 Suby has it, and it was a pretty basic model. ---
**Author:** ![swampspruce](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/swampspruce/32/261_2.png) [@swampspruce](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/swampspruce)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2015, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-any-new-cars-still-have-the-following/719916/54 "2015-05-14T21:40:03Z")
cd players. Give it a few more years and they will no longer be an option unless you go aftermarket. I suspect aux jacks will disappear in a few years as everything goes bluetooth or usb. ---
**Author:** ![GreasyJack](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/df705f/32.png) [@GreasyJack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GreasyJack)\ **Post date:** [May 14, 2015, 10:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-any-new-cars-still-have-the-following/719916/55 "2015-05-14T22:02:17Z")
> [@swampspruce](#): > > cd players. Give it a few more years and they will no longer be an option unless you go aftermarket. I suspect aux jacks will disappear in a few years as everything goes bluetooth or usb. I don’t know… considering how long cassette decks held on in some cars I’m guessing the final disappearance of CD players is a long way off. ---
**Author:** ![jz78817](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jz78817/32/1028_2.png) [@jz78817](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jz78817)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2015, 1:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-any-new-cars-still-have-the-following/719916/56 "2015-05-15T01:03:38Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > I had assumed those went away because of some kind of safety regulation or something, but that article says there simply isn’t demand. I don’t get it: why not? because it’s not all that common to need to be able to have a third front-row passenger. > [@GreasyJack](#): > > I don’t know… considering how long cassette decks held on in some cars I’m guessing the final disappearance of CD players is a long way off. I expect CD players to be mostly gone within the next five years. the transition from cassette to CD was slow mostly because while CD’s advantages- quality and convenience (not needing to fast forward or rewind to get to another song)- were clear, a CD still only holds about an album’s worth of music, just like a tape. Nowadays, it’s cheap to incorporate USB, SD, or Bluetooth and let the owner bring their smartphone or 64GB+ SD card/thumb drive which can hold almost all of their music. CD will die fast because its replacement(s) are far, far more convenient. ---
**Author:** ![kayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kayaker/32/441_2.png) [@kayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kayaker)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2015, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-any-new-cars-still-have-the-following/719916/57 "2015-05-15T02:37:14Z")
> [@LSLGuy](#): > > Does anybody make a first-world convertible where the top is NOT powered? Once again, Jeep Wrangler. > [@LH75](#): > > Sends a Jeep wave to kayaker… Right back at you!😃 ---
**Author:** ![Balthisar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/balthisar/32/2825_2.png) [@Balthisar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Balthisar)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2015, 3:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-any-new-cars-still-have-the-following/719916/58 "2015-05-15T03:48:26Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > I think nearly all car seats mount to the floor the same way. I’ve pulled the seats out of a few cars that I fixed up 20 years ago. They all had the same bolt layout IIRC. Maybe cars like the Buick Electra and Pontiac Grandville and other shared platforms (or badge engineered) cars did, but these days there’s a lot of variation. While a Focus and C-Max might have the same bolt pattern (saves on costs), it’s unlike that an F-150 and a Focus share the same pattern. The body construction and sets are just too different. There’s no advantage for manufacturers to keep the same pattern except in cases where we can literally use the same seats across multiple product lines. ---
**Author:** ![usedtobe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ec9cab/32.png) [@usedtobe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/usedtobe)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2015, 4:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-any-new-cars-still-have-the-following/719916/59 "2015-05-15T04:48:14Z")
“Designer” Radiator caps Manual Choke Column-mounted throttle Rear fold-down rack (on which one would strap one’s “Trunk”) Rumble seat Snap-on canvas “windows” for Roadsters and Phaetons, which had no glass in the doors. The Cabriolet was a ‘Roadster’ with roll-up windows in the doors. The old Au-ooo-gah horns were so popular that Model A restorers actually created a market for a real, authentic duplicate of the one (well one of the two) models used on them - if the rest of the car was still there, somebody had re-purposed the horn. If yout engine compartment has room, go for it. ---
**Author:** ![usedtobe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ec9cab/32.png) [@usedtobe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/usedtobe)\ **Post date:** [May 15, 2015, 4:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-any-new-cars-still-have-the-following/719916/60 "2015-05-15T04:50:25Z")
And, for the VW bug - it is the answer for: “Last car sold in the US with running boards”. Look again - they even had ribbed rubber mat. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-any-new-cars-still-have-the-following/719916.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-any-new-cars-still-have-the-following/719916.md?page=4)