Do conspiracy theorists like "birthers" damage the brand of their party?

Whatever “links” some ascribe to either major political party are extremely dubious.

Holocaust denialists, for example are a species of slime largely independent of mainstream identifiers like party affiliation. You can find Democrats who go for this stuff as well as Republicans, but that’s only because you can’t vote for or run as Venomous Turd Party candidates on the typical ballot.

This statement is disturbing to me! You imply that you are willing to cast aspersions on the Democratic party for the whack jobs who protest the G8 summit and are busy “digging up photos of Sarah Palin’s and her daughter and closely studying and discussing the size of their bellies and breasts and what not.” So you won’t mind if I associate the Republican party with the KKK and other white supremacist groups and assume that racism is the official stance of the Republican party. Hell, the former Grand Wizard of the KKK was even a Republican member of the US House of Represtatives. There are other right wing Republican party members that want to bomb France. Can I assume this is an official stance of the Republican Party also? Or should I ignore these whack jobs and focus on the remaining? Personally, I have never seen leftist whack jobs in large numbers and Democrat party campaign events or sponsored town hall style meetings. II have seen them at anti-war and anti-globalization demonstrations, but these are not endorsed by the Democratic party, so why are you connecting them? Should I associate all Republicans with the Klan because a bunch of assholes had a Klan rally and a lot of people there also happen to vote Republican?

Look, I know you are not an American, but you sure have expressed strong opinions on American politics here in the past. You seem to assume all Democrats are the same as the worst Leftist but most Republicans are as good as the best Conservative. I am an independent, but I have voted almost entirely for Democrats since 2000. Please don’t smear me with the droppings of those Leftist whack jobs, and I won’t assume you are a racist war mongering psychopath.

There are two internet ‘rules’, that, while humorous, like Murphy’s and Sturgeon’s laws, are worth keeping an eye on, in situations like this. And no, I’m not talking Godwin.
The first, of course, is the famous John Gabriel Greater Internet Fuckwad Theory.

The second, and lesser known, but more pertinent to this issue is John Rogers’ Crazification Factor theory.

Oh, hell! I want to bomb France. That sentiment transcends all party lines. :smiley:

Your wish for it to be so doesn’t make it so. Truthers are associated with the left by pretty much everyone.

And I have never heard of anti-semitism being associated with the right, mostly I have heard of it associated with the left these days. Generally the right is favorable to Israel in this nation.

In otherwords this post was just too without merit to let pass.

The Trilateral Commission isn’t a conspiracy theory, at least not by the FinnAgain view of it. Because the Trilateral Commission really exists and really tries to influence national policy in America, Europe and Japan. The Trilateral Commission stuff isn’t baseless.

The theory that Bush arranged for the 9/11 attack didn’t come from the right, that’s for sure. And I thought republicans have generally been more Israel-friendly than democrats :confused:

I don’t think the loonies on either side hurt their parties very much. Who takes people who are still trying to work out how Palin’s son Trig is really her grandson despite her daughter being pregnant at the same time or people who can’t figure out that even if Obama was born abroad he would be a US citizen anyway due to his mom being an American seriously anyway? Besides other like-minded folks, that is. Their ideas get press, but repect?

Just to clear this up: this was a story in the lefty blogosphere for about 12 hours, if that. Someone put together what appeared to be a very good case for Bristol being pregnant instead of Sarah, but it didn’t take long for other evidence to show up making it clear that Sarah really was pregnant. Shortly after that was when Sarah had her press conference to announce that Bristol was pregnant. The main nexus of speculation was a thread at Daily Kos, which was deleted later that same day.

Some people have continued to ask questions about the Trig’s birth, primarily about the wildly irresponsible trip she took back to Alaska from Texas after her membranes had ruptured. The Palin campaign’s answer to any question about it has been to wail and gnash their teeth about how evil the liberal media is to her precious, precious family.

But no one seriously believes at this point that anyone other than Sarah gave birth to Trig. That’s why, as conspiracy theories go, it isn’t in the same universe as the Birthers–it wasn’t impervious to evidence.

Heh well, to put it into perspective. 9/11 Trutherism will get you banned from the Daily Kos and laughed at on the SDMB, two major bastions of the left-wing blogosphere.

Birtherism on the other hand gets prime time coverage on Fox News.

Just sayin…

Hmm… anti-Semitism involves opposing, defaming and defiling Jews at every turn. Support or opposition toward Israel is not the same thing.

Many on the right in America only favor Israel because they believe that Biblical prophesy says that once Israel is unified, there will be a war in Armageddon and Jesus will return. That sounds more like they view Israel as a pawn than as a country they support.

What people who are interested in more than just throwing invective around associate the American left with anti-Semitism? Or, for that matter, the American right?

And now they’ve come up with what they’re claiming is Obama’s Kenyan birth certificate.

Jesus Christ! What the hell is wrong with these people?! They grouse about how Obama’s Hawaiian birth certificate was generated post facto, but say nothing about how this one was generated two and a half years after Obama’s birth!

Now I’m just waiting to see how they explain away the birth announcement for Barack Hussein Obama II in the Hawaiian papers within days of his birth in 1961. That should be interesting. Worse, though, is that I think they’re actually going to come up with something to explain it away. Does the Trilateral Commission have control over Hawaii’s newspaper archives?

Good quick reply from this DalyKos diarist:

Obama’s Kenyan birth certificate surfaces.

Oops, beaten to it.

Yep, in these times World Nut Daily can get debunked almost in real time. :slight_smile:

The real test now will be if Fox or other media outlets dare to touch this.

I bet that it will be presented by right wing sources with their almost patented weasel question mark at the end of the headline, just as WND did there.

I have never laughed so hard reading the dope! I love it!

That’s not what I wrote. I said the followers of an organization or event. If people protesting at G8 summits or pouring over pictures of Sarah Palin’s belly are Democrats, then it will influence my view of the Democratic party and if a non-trivial portion of an anti-war demonstration carry on with dumb-ass stupidity then it will influence my opinion on the demonstration. To the extend that it is beyond marginal fringe and given acceptance by the main. If some other non-Democrat people do some other silly stuff, of course this will not influence my opinion of the Democrats. And of course I have said nothing at all about individuals. You will only be judged by your own actions.

Good list. Here’s another problem with that document, nicely explained by a poster on the DailyKos:

I don’t think it does. Sure, the birthers are an embarassment to the Pubs, but the Dems have similar numbers of people who believe Bush Jr. knew that 9/11 was going to happen.

What’s worrisome is that both parties seem to be retreating ever more deeply into their own parallel universes that have nothing to do with reality.

I keep hearing this as the counter (don’t know if it’s true or not either) but I think the principle difference here is “mainstream” vocalization. Between taking over town-hall meetings, support from TV and radio personalities and continual lawsuits, I think the level of Birther noise is what makes it a danger to the party. It’s a look of legitimacy within the party, that this really is what a “lot” of GOPers believe. Sure, the Truthers have given us crap like the Loose Change video but I don’t think it compares to Lou Dobbs on CNN saying it’s a valid concern.