# DO crazy people who d bad stuff still get to go to heaven, beacuse they're not responsible? **URL:** \ **Category:** In My Humble Opinion\ **Created:** [June 17, 2010, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-crazy-people-who-d-bad-stuff-still-get-to-go-to-heaven-beacuse-theyre-not-responsible/543605 "2010-06-17T22:22:24Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 4\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2010, 4:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-crazy-people-who-d-bad-stuff-still-get-to-go-to-heaven-beacuse-theyre-not-responsible/543605/21 "2010-06-22T04:04:23Z")
> [@Suburban\_Plankton](#): > > Why is it that every time religion is mentioned on this board, someone has to come in for no other purpose than to shit all over the thread? > > The OP clearly states that they are looking for an answer according to “Christian theology” at the beginning of their post. It makes no difference whether or not you, I, or indeed the OP, believes here is or is not a heaven. The question asks what the position would be **in Christian theology**. Nobody gives a rat’s ass what you think about religion, as it’s absolutely irrelevant. Maybe it’s me, but it’s gotten worse in the past year. You can’t even ask about religious customes without “religion is teh suk!!!” It’s getting annoying as hell. ---
**Author:** ![Aji\_de\_Gallina](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aji_de_gallina/32/260_2.png) [@Aji\_de\_Gallina](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aji_de_Gallina)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2010, 4:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-crazy-people-who-d-bad-stuff-still-get-to-go-to-heaven-beacuse-theyre-not-responsible/543605/22 "2010-06-22T04:31:24Z")
> [@msmith537](#): > > No, because “heaven” isn’t an actual place. ..in other news, Bilbo never went to Rivendell. ---
**Author:** ![Yllaria](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yllaria/32/3452_2.png) [@Yllaria](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yllaria)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2010, 6:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-crazy-people-who-d-bad-stuff-still-get-to-go-to-heaven-beacuse-theyre-not-responsible/543605/23 "2010-06-22T06:22:04Z")
> [@The\_Devil\_s\_Grandmother](#): > > [The “lyrics” to George Carlin’s _The Confessional_ are here](http://www.themadmusicarchive.com/song_details.aspx?SongID=21777). > > Did he get it right? I suppose so. There is sin in the intent to sin (a la the _lust in your heart and you’ve already committed adultery_). I’m not sure crazy people have intent to do the wrong thing. It probably depends on the kind of crazy they are. Thanks for that link. > [@](#): > > Mortal sin had to be a grievous offense, sufficient reflection and full consent of the will. I’m surprised that I had two-thirds of it right. ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [June 22, 2010, 7:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-crazy-people-who-d-bad-stuff-still-get-to-go-to-heaven-beacuse-theyre-not-responsible/543605/24 "2010-06-22T07:14:37Z")
I am not a Christian, but I used to be. My belief, which I do feel is theologically supported, was that none of us are worthy of heaven. That was sort of the whole point of the Garden of Eden story in Genesis. We are all equally unworthy, doesn’t matter what we did or didn’t do, how nice or mean we are, etc. Rom 3:23 ‘‘For all have sinned and fall short of the Glory of God.’’ Those of us who accept Jesus Christ as our personal savior are granted eternal life, period, whether we’re crazy or sane, whether we’re axe murderers or lie to the dentist once a year about flossing. Those who don’t go to hell. It has nothing to do with what we do and everything to do with what we believe. Eph 2:8 ‘‘For it is by grace you have been saved, through faith–and this not from yourselves, it is the gift of God.’’ I think there is, however, a recognition that some people are cognitively incapable of receiving the message of Jesus Christ as Lord and Personal Savior–children or people raised in another culture who have never even heard the Word of God, for example. I think most Christians would agree that severely mentally disturbed people are incapable of understanding the concept of salvation well enough to make a truly informed choice… but TBH, that’s where it falls apart for me, because if we can make an exception for one kind of brain chemistry (the crazy sort) why can’t we make an exception for another kind of brain chemistry (the skeptic sort)? I’ve never been able to get a satisfying answer to that question. (Honestly not trying to threadshit. Just trying to delineate what I perceive as the grey areas interpretation-wise. I think the answer to your question is widely open to interpretation.) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-crazy-people-who-d-bad-stuff-still-get-to-go-to-heaven-beacuse-theyre-not-responsible/543605.md?page=1)