# Do I have to restrain myself? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 14, 2004, 4:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-i-have-to-restrain-myself/269212 "2004-10-14T16:24:44Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 6
**Author:** ![Giraffe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giraffe/32/129_2.png) [@Giraffe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giraffe)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2004, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-i-have-to-restrain-myself/269212/101 "2004-10-15T17:35:52Z")
> [@roger thornhill](#): > > **Sensualips** committed a number of cardinal errors: > > 1. She tried too hard to get “in” with the hip crowd. > 2. She’s a relative newbie who hasn’t built up sufficient cred. > 3. She put something in the Pit that offered smart, witty, knowledgeable posters only two options: a) agree b) pile on. > 4. She didn’t realise that 3b) is much more fun and provides many more chances for strutting and display, and marking out territory by alpha males. > 5. She backed down rather than getting right back at 'em. 1. There’s a hip crowd? If so, how can I get “in” with them, if you know what I’m saying? I believe I have extreme cred build-up, mostly around the gums. 2. This is true. Once you have 2000 posts, you can start threads titled “I hate black people” and everyone will come in and agree with you. 3. I wish I was smart and witty, so I at least had the second choice. As a slack-jawed yokel, I only had one option: Stranger! Bad! 4. I don’t need to post on a message board to mark out my territory. That’s what urine is for. 5. This is also true. I for one deeply respect people with the courage to get all up in my face on an anonymous message board. It’s a quality which is all-too-rare on today’s Internet. ---
**Author:** ![Giraffe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giraffe/32/129_2.png) [@Giraffe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giraffe)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2004, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-i-have-to-restrain-myself/269212/102 "2004-10-15T17:37:18Z")
> [@lezlers](#): > > **Giraffe** , may I adopt this as a sig? It’s classic. Although I think it may be longer than rules allow… Absolutely. Heck, go ahead and stick my sig in there with it, if you want. What’s mine is yours. ---
**Author:** ![Genghis\_Bob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/45deac/32.png) [@Genghis\_Bob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Genghis_Bob)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2004, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-i-have-to-restrain-myself/269212/103 "2004-10-15T17:43:05Z")
> [@Elysian](#): > > Shut the fuck up and think before you post this kind of shit. Why the fuck do you think women aren’t running the fucking country? Because of this sort of bullshit opinion from assholes like you. I don’t think this is funny. I think you’re an inconsiderate ass. > > Oh, and **SensualLips**? Think before you post this tripe also. Hate is also a female thing, and women can be as irrational as men. OBVIOUSLY. > > Excuse me while I go bang my head against the wall. A hundred years of female rights workers for THIS SHIT. Q: how many feminists does it take to screw in a light bulb? A: **that’s not funny!!!** ---
**Author:** ![Sensualips](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/7c8e57/32.png) [@Sensualips](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sensualips)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2004, 6:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-i-have-to-restrain-myself/269212/104 "2004-10-15T18:07:06Z")
> [@Giraffe](#): > > 1. There’s a hip crowd? If so, how can I get “in” with them, if you know what I’m saying? I believe I have extreme cred build-up, mostly around the gums. > 2. This is true. Once you have 2000 posts, you can start threads titled “I hate black people” and everyone will come in and agree with you. > 3. I wish I was smart and witty, so I at least had the second choice. As a slack-jawed yokel, I only had one option: Stranger! Bad! > 4. I don’t need to post on a message board to mark out my territory. That’s what urine is for. > 5. This is also true. I for one deeply respect people with the courage to get all up in my face on an anonymous message board. It’s a quality which is all-too-rare on today’s Internet. Maybe YOU are on the wrong message board. There are plenty of places with trolls just waiting to drag you to the ground. Why pick a message board that frowns on it? A) Because bottom of the barrel is still an accomplishment. ---
**Author:** ![Sensualips](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/7c8e57/32.png) [@Sensualips](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sensualips)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2004, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-i-have-to-restrain-myself/269212/105 "2004-10-15T18:09:38Z")
And I just played right into your hands didn’t I? :wally Sensualips…signing out… ---
**Author:** ![Giraffe](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/giraffe/32/129_2.png) [@Giraffe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Giraffe)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2004, 6:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-i-have-to-restrain-myself/269212/106 "2004-10-15T18:18:16Z")
> [@Sensualips](#): > > And I just played right into your hands didn’t I? :wally Don’t feel bad. In a hundred years, we’ll both be dead. Wait, now _I_ feel bad. ---
**Author:** ![kidchameleon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/898d66/32.png) [@kidchameleon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kidchameleon)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2004, 6:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-i-have-to-restrain-myself/269212/107 "2004-10-15T18:49:03Z")
> [@World Eater](#): > > My data? Observational study. _every single_ Bush supporter I’ve encountered is fairly dim. I even have a few pro-Bush friends, love 'em to death but [sub]not too smart[/sub] Wow, that’s a scientific study. :rolleyes: Maybe you should get out more. I interact with a good number of Bush supporters who don’t have this philosphy. > [@](#): > > And pray tell, how the hell does a stable gov in Iraq (stable perhap, pro west? not in our lifetimes) _dramatically_ reduce terrorism? Well, if they become a stable democracy that cracks down on democracy, their influence will spread to surrounding nations. Despots will be less likely to allow terrorism for fear of ending up like Saddam while the populace may see success in Iraq and work toward similar democracies that will allow them greater freedoms. > [@](#): > > I think the only nighties you’ve seen are your sisters. I can’t image a female of any species hanging around you unless they were chained to something. What are you, 12? Good god, even Sensualips doesn’t make leaps of illogic like this. Ask one of your teachers about how hypotheses and theories work in recognized studies. They require some data, of which you have precious little. I don’t even _have_ any sisters for christsakes. ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2004, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-i-have-to-restrain-myself/269212/108 "2004-10-15T18:58:28Z")
> [@kidchameleon](#): > > Wow, that’s a scientific study. :rolleyes: > Maybe you should get out more. I interact with a good number of Bush supporters who don’t have this philosphy. Who the hell said it _was_ a scientific study. I sure didn’t. I’m telling from my obesrvations, they’re all fucking stupid, ignorant people. According to you, they’re not. No one is more right then the other here. > [@](#): > > Well, if they become a stable democracy that cracks down on democracy, their influence will spread to surrounding nations. Despots will be less likely to allow terrorism for fear of ending up like Saddam while the populace may see success in Iraq and work toward similar democracies that will allow them greater freedoms. This must be the angeldust talking. This is totally serperated from reality. > [@](#): > > Ask one of your teachers about how hypotheses and theories work in recognized studies. Don’t need to, I’m fully aware of how they work. Anything else? ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2004, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-i-have-to-restrain-myself/269212/109 "2004-10-15T19:00:57Z")
> [@kidchameleon](#): > > I don’t even _have_ any sisters for christsakes. I can spare a couple if you like. I have six. ---
**Author:** ![kidchameleon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/898d66/32.png) [@kidchameleon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kidchameleon)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2004, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-i-have-to-restrain-myself/269212/110 "2004-10-15T19:03:56Z")
> [@This Year's Model](#): > > I can spare a couple if you like. I have six. Really? Have they grown out of the bratty stage? I almost had a sister-in-law but my brother blew that one for me. ---
**Author:** ![Frank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/3d9bf3/32.png) [@Frank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frank)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2004, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-i-have-to-restrain-myself/269212/111 "2004-10-15T19:08:47Z")
> [@kidchameleon](#): > > Really? Have they grown out of the bratty stage? I almost had a sister-in-law but my brother blew that one for me. Well, you see, even the ones in their 40s are still bratty. That’s why I’m willing to give some away. ---
**Author:** ![kidchameleon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/898d66/32.png) [@kidchameleon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kidchameleon)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2004, 7:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-i-have-to-restrain-myself/269212/112 "2004-10-15T19:32:49Z")
> [@World Eater](#): > > Who the hell said it _was_ a scientific study. I sure didn’t. I’m telling from my obesrvations, they’re all fucking stupid, ignorant people. According to you, they’re not. No one is more right then the other here. > [@World Eater](#): > > History will look back and tell us who the morons are. I’ll tell you in advance. It’s anyone who voted Bush in 2004 Wow, then reality enters. C’mon bigot boy, explain how that remark is based upon ‘your observations’. > [@](#): > > This must be the angeldust talking. This is totally serperated from reality. Dude, with your grammar and spelling, I’d think twice before tossing out those drug-use accusations. ---
**Author:** ![kidchameleon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/898d66/32.png) [@kidchameleon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kidchameleon)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2004, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-i-have-to-restrain-myself/269212/113 "2004-10-15T19:35:13Z")
> [@This Year's Model](#): > > Well, you see, even the ones in their 40s are still bratty. That’s why I’m willing to give some away. Ufff. Well in that case, I’ll just deal with my daughter. Only 18 more years and she can go away to college. Only 18 more years… ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2004, 7:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-i-have-to-restrain-myself/269212/114 "2004-10-15T19:43:37Z")
> [@Sensualips](#): > > I am taking names on whose opinion _I feel_ is worth listening to, > > those whose posts are based on fighting ignorance > > and those whose posts are based on self gratification. Believe me, lady, you ain’t the only one. ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2004, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-i-have-to-restrain-myself/269212/115 "2004-10-15T19:51:44Z")
> [@kidchameleon](#): > > Wow, then reality enters. C’mon bigot boy, explain how that remark is based upon ‘your observations’. Ummm, ok, it’s pretty simple. As you’ve heard me mention before, all of the Bush supporters (not repubs mind you) I’ve met come off as stupid. When Bush gets re-elected and destroys the world\*, who gets the blame? Do you need a pop-up book to make it clearer for you? > [@](#): > > Dude, with your grammar and spelling, I’d think twice before tossing out those drug-use accusations. That’s it? That’s all you got? How about responding to my allegation that your vision for Iraq is never going to happen? [sub]\*I don’t think he’s going to destroy the world, but you’re so fucking stupid you might misinterpret my embellishment.[/sub] ---
**Author:** ![kidchameleon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/898d66/32.png) [@kidchameleon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kidchameleon)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2004, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-i-have-to-restrain-myself/269212/116 "2004-10-15T20:48:04Z")
> [@World Eater](#): > > Ummm, ok, it’s pretty simple. As you’ve heard me mention before, all of the Bush supporters (not repubs mind you) I’ve met come off as stupid. When Bush gets re-elected and destroys the world\*, who gets the blame? You back pedal better then Pele. Okay, you’re in college, time to learn some critical thinking skills… > [@World Eater](#): > > History will look back and tell us who the morons are. I’ll tell you in advance. It’s anyone who voted Bush in 2004 Okay, now look at this phrase. Unlike some of your others, you have yet to ammend this one. Note how you define the ‘morons’ as “anyone who voted for Bush in 2004”. Note there are no conditional modifiers here, such as ‘out of the people I’ve interact with’. So you are including all of those who voted for Bush as being morons. Just beacuse they don’t share your political bent. Wow. That sure is enlightened. So it appears that you are basing your opinion of all Bush supporters from the few that you’ve met. Not exactly an educated view point. > [@](#): > > Do you need a pop-up book to make it clearer for you? Wow, that was creative. Who’d you steal that from? > [@](#): > > That’s it? That’s all you got? How about responding to my allegation that your vision for Iraq is never going to happen? Respond to what? There was absolutely no substance to your rebuttal. Besides, you still don’t get it. This thread isn’t about whether or not Bush’s policies or views are correct or will be correct. It’s about realizing that others have differing view points and bashing them based soley upon who they support with no knowledge or why or what they think is an ignorant way to think. It is quite possible to support Bush and see why others would support Kerry and his proposals and vice versa. > [@](#): > > [sub]\*I don’t think he’s going to destroy the world, but you’re so fucking stupid you might misinterpret my embellishment.[/sub] Again with the chracter attacks rather than actually making any substantial arguement. You remind me a lot of myself when I was an undergrad. Thinking the slivers of knowledge I had gained made me smarter than most anyone, refusing to believe I couldn’t be wrong. But I grew out of it. I hope that someday you’ll realize that you don’t have to hate another person just because you disagree with them. ---
**Author:** ![World\_Eater](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f04885/32.png) [@World\_Eater](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/World_Eater)\ **Post date:** [October 15, 2004, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-i-have-to-restrain-myself/269212/117 "2004-10-15T21:32:05Z")
There’s not much to respond to, so we’ll start here. > [@kidchameleon](#): > > Note how you define the ‘morons’ as “anyone who voted for Bush in 2004”. Note there are no conditional modifiers here, such as ‘out of the people I’ve interact with’. Nope the omission is intentional. Remember how we all said there wasn’t any WMD? Well now we’re saying this. It’ll become clear to you in about 20 years. > [@](#): > > So you are including all of those who voted for Bush as being morons. Just beacuse they don’t share your political bent. Wow. That sure is enlightened. So it appears that you are basing your opinion of all Bush supporters from the few that you’ve met. Not exactly an educated view point. I’m saying anyone who has been lied to and suckered and comes back for more is a fucking moron. That scenario just happens to be applicable to certain parties and politicians at the moment. > [@](#): > > Besides, you still don’t get it. This thread isn’t about whether or not Bush’s policies or views are correct or will be correct. It’s about realizing that others have differing view points and bashing them based soley upon who they support with no knowledge or why or what they think is an ignorant way to think. It is quite possible to support Bush and see why others would support Kerry and his proposals and vice versa. Normally I’d agree. The difference is I think Bush is _soooo_ bad for our country he’s unique from history. Bush has a few issues that I can understand people supporting him for, but his flaws totally outweigh them. I don’t understand why people don’t come to the same conclusion. I find the admin spin on things to be pathetic. 4 years ago this guy was talking about how he’s not going to nation build, and now he’s talking about “spreading liberty around the world”? I seriously question the mental processes of anyone that won’t even stop to think about what’s _really_ going on. > [@](#): > > I hope that someday you’ll realize that you don’t have to hate another person just because you disagree with them. I don’t hate them because they disagree with me. I hate them because they’re electing morons who don’t know the first thing about fighting terror. (for example we’re fighting _terrorists_ not terror) I hate them because they’re electing morons who are turning the world away from us. I hate them because they’re electing morons…etc, etc. ---
**Author:** ![CanvasShoes](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/74df32/32.png) [@CanvasShoes](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CanvasShoes)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2004, 7:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-i-have-to-restrain-myself/269212/118 "2004-10-16T07:12:26Z")
> [@Nightime](#): > > Sounds nice. > > Reminds me of this, from 1996: > > “the United States sees the Taliban, with its Islamic > conservatism, as the best, and perhaps the only, chance that Afghanistan > will halt the poppy growing and opium production that have made > Afghanistan, with an estimated 2,500 tons of raw opium a year, the > world’s biggest single-country source of the narcotic. A similar argument > is made on the issue of the network of international terrorists, many of > them Arabs, who have set up bases inside Afghanistan.” > > Yep. As soon as that Taliban group gets in power, everything will settle down. Mmmhmm, did you perchance note the part where I stated that this was merely my opinion of the human/psychological aspect? And that I admittedly had little military strategy knowledge? And that I was only answering a very small question/statement on **World Eater’s** part, not solving the whole war? Sheesh. ---
**Author:** ![ExTank](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/35a633/32.png) [@ExTank](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ExTank)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2004, 8:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-i-have-to-restrain-myself/269212/119 "2004-10-16T08:30:17Z")
**World Eater:** > [@](#): > > Most of the Bush folks seem to be of the “Nuke the fucking towelheads” ilk. **silensus:** > [@](#): > > Or maybe…the Bush supporters _that you have personally interacted with, or seen on TV_, **seem** to be that way. Your blanket condemnation of all of us is a bit…arrogant, to say the least. I happen to think that Iraq was a mistake, and I am very up on current events, and I wouldn’t vote for Kerry if he was the only person running. At the risk of being labeled a “dittohead”… Maybe **World Eater** thinks that because that’s how pundits like Jon Stewart and Bill Maher _portay_ Bush supporters and anyone who’s voted for him. FWIW, I voted Bush in 2000, I will NOT vote Bush in 2004, and I will never vote for John Kerry. BTW, **stately plump buck mulligan** , for fresh-baked cookies, _I’d_ put a Kerry/Edwards sticker on my lawn. I am such a sugar whore. :rolleyes: **Sensuallips:** you’ve been spanked, baby. Suck it up, bow and scrape, live and learn. In direct answer to your OP: We wouldn’t be able to make as much fun of you if you did. ---
**Author:** ![Scissorjack](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c67d28/32.png) [@Scissorjack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Scissorjack)\ **Post date:** [October 16, 2004, 11:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-i-have-to-restrain-myself/269212/120 "2004-10-16T11:05:57Z")
> [@Giraffe](#): > > Absolutely. Heck, go ahead and stick my sig in there with it, if you want. What’s mine is yours. Hey Giraffe, I got yer fuckin’ sig right here, pal. \ [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-i-have-to-restrain-myself/269212.md?page=5) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-i-have-to-restrain-myself/269212.md?page=7)