# "Do I make you a little horny? Well strip down and get naked!" **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 30, 2006, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-i-make-you-a-little-horny-well-strip-down-and-get-naked/374687 "2006-09-30T01:54:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2006, 5:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-i-make-you-a-little-horny-well-strip-down-and-get-naked/374687/161 "2006-10-02T17:00:29Z")
[QUOTE=Left Hand of Dorkness] The GOP outrage is certainly present here; the leadership has condemned him in very strong language. The issue isn’t over whether they’re showing outrage. The issue is over whether they’re showing it now for political purposes–did they cover this up as long as they could? [/QUOTE] Hastert’s ‘outrage’ is very finely aimed, as evidenced by his [letter calling for an investigation](http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/010102.php) (bolding mine): > [@](#): > > “Former Representative Mark Foley resigned from the House of Representatives on Friday, September 29, 2006, after improper and illicit communications between Mr. Foley and former House pages were made public. While the House of Representatives on that day voted to refer this matter to the Committee on Standards of Official Conduct for investigation, they do not have jurisdiction over federal law or over him upon his resignation from office. > > “As Speaker of the House, I hereby request that the Department of Justice conduct an investigation of Mr. Foley’s conduct with current and former House pages to determine to what extent any of his actions violated federal law. > > “As I am sure you are aware, there are **two different and distinct communications** at issue here. **First, Mr. Foley sent an email to a former page of Representative Alexander in the fall of 2005.** This email was determined to be “over friendly” by Representative Alexander’s office but was not sexual in nature. **Second, based on media reports, there is a different set of communications which were sexually explicit instant messages which Mr. Foley reportedly sent another former page or pages.** These communications, of which no one in the House Leadership was aware to my knowledge, reportedly were sent sometime in 2003. > > “According to an Editor’s Note that appeared on the St. Petersburg Times’ website yesterday, the Times was given a set of emails from Mr. Foley to Representative Alexander’s former page in November of 2005. (See “A Note From the Editors” located at [http://blogs.tampabay.com/buzz](http://blogs.tampabay.com/buzz) /, visited on September 30, 2006). The editors state that they viewed this exchange as “friendly chit chat” and decided not to publish it after hearing an explanation from Representative Foley. Acting on this same communication, the Chairman of the House Page Board and the then Clerk of the House confronted Mr. Foley, demanded he cease all contact with the former page as his parents had requested, and believed they had privately resolved the situation as the parents had requested. > > “ **Unlike the first communication, the second communication was a set of instant messages that contained sexually explicit statements and were reportedly generated three years ago.** Last week, ABC News first reported these sexually explicit instant messages which led to Representative Foley’s resignation. **These sexually explicit communications warrant a criminal referral in two respects. Initially, since the communications involve interstate communications, there should be a complete investigation and prosecution of any federal laws that have been violated. In addition, since the communications appear to have existed for three years, there should be an investigation into the extent there are persons who knew or had possession of these messages but did not report them to the appropriate authorities. It is important to know who may have had the communications and why they were not given to prosecutors before now.** > > “Therefore, I also request that the Department undertake an investigation into who had specific knowledge of the content of any sexually explicit communications between Mr. Foley and any former or current House pages and what actions such individuals took, if any, to provide them to law enforcement. I request that the scope of your investigation include any and all individuals who may have been aware of this matter-be they Members of Congress, employees of the House of Representatives, or anyone outside the Congress. > > “Your attention to this serious matter is appreciated. I am also sending to the Department of Law Enforcement for the State of Florida a request to investigate whether or not any state laws were violated by Mr. Foley or anyone else with respect to this matter.” Hastert’s call for an investigation is all about who knew about the IMs, and _only_ about that. Which investigation would leave his own ass, along with the asses of Boehner, Reynolds, etc., completely off the hook. ---
**Author:** ![Loopydude](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e56c9b/32.png) [@Loopydude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loopydude)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2006, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-i-make-you-a-little-horny-well-strip-down-and-get-naked/374687/162 "2006-10-02T17:10:53Z")
Well, if the Republican electorate cuts Mr. Foley a tiny bit of slack, I won’t be too bothered. It seems like, in many respects the guy actually meant well, and some of the former pages who had dealings with him said their interactions with him were very positive. He’s got a disease that he had to hide his entire life, and has probably been dealing with issues of shame, fear, and guilt that few of us could imagine. What he did was wrong, and he must suffer the consequences, of course, but I doubt his future prospects will be too kind to him. His old, good life is now _over_, and the real depths of his personal nightmare have probably only just begun. There’s really no good comparison to Barney Frank (for one, Barney’s not a compulsive paraphiliac with a taste for jailbait), of course, except perhaps the experience of having to hide in plain view. Frank gave that up long ago, out of necessity, and has clearly been better off for it. I guess Foley’s “friends” in Congress not only cared nothing about the pages he interacted with, they cared nothing about him. They’re by far the worse villains here, if you ask me. ---
**Author:** ![Loopydude](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e56c9b/32.png) [@Loopydude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loopydude)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2006, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-i-make-you-a-little-horny-well-strip-down-and-get-naked/374687/163 "2006-10-02T17:13:52Z")
Ooo, **RTF** slipped in there. ---
**Author:** ![RTFirefly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/c77e96/32.png) [@RTFirefly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RTFirefly)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2006, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-i-make-you-a-little-horny-well-strip-down-and-get-naked/374687/164 "2006-10-02T17:16:32Z")
[QUOTE=Loopydude] Ooo, **RTF** slipped in there. [/QUOTE] I can be sneaky like that sometimes. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2006, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-i-make-you-a-little-horny-well-strip-down-and-get-naked/374687/165 "2006-10-02T17:51:59Z")
[http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2006/10/emails\_show\_fol.html](http://blogs.abcnews.com/theblotter/2006/10/emails_show_fol.html) And this just in… **E-mails Show Foley Sought to Rendezvous with Page** > [@](#): > > …In addition to explicit sexual language, former Congressman Mark Foley’s Internet messages also include repeated efforts to get the underage recipient to rendezvous with him at night. > > “I would drive a few miles for a hot stud like you,” Foley said in one message obtained by ABC News… Further… > [@](#): > > …In another message, Foley, using the screen name Maf54, appears to describe having been together with the teen in San Diego. > > Maf54: I miss you lots since san diego. > Teen: ya I cant wait til dc > Maf54: 🙂 > Teen: did you pick a night for dinner > Maf54: not yet…but likely Friday > Teen: ok…ill plan for Friday then > Maf54: that will be fun… Cross posted to GD thread, offered without comment, none being necessary. ---
**Author:** ![vibrotronica](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/a9a28c/32.png) [@vibrotronica](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/vibrotronica)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2006, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-i-make-you-a-little-horny-well-strip-down-and-get-naked/374687/166 "2006-10-02T18:17:07Z")
2002: Why do Democrats hate America so much? 2006: Why do Republicans like young boys so much? ---
**Author:** ![eleanorigby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ee7513/32.png) [@eleanorigby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eleanorigby)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2006, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-i-make-you-a-little-horny-well-strip-down-and-get-naked/374687/167 "2006-10-02T18:30:47Z")
[QUOTE=Loopydude] Well, if the Republican electorate cuts Mr. Foley a tiny bit of slack, I won’t be too bothered. It seems like, in many respects the guy actually meant well, and some of the former pages who had dealings with him said their interactions with him were very positive. He’s got a disease that he had to hide his entire life, and has probably been dealing with issues of shame, fear, and guilt that few of us could imagine. What he did was wrong, and he must suffer the consequences.\ I guess Foley’s “friends” in Congress not only cared nothing about the pages he interacted with, they cared nothing about him. They’re by far the worse villains here, if you ask me. [/QUOTE] I agree with you, in principle. BUT. D’ya think that if this were Durbin or Leahy that the GOP would cut any slack at all? Or Obama or Jackson or (insert name of generally well liked, well thought of Dem here)? No way. IMO, Foley’s feet should be held to the fire, as well as Hastert et al. I know they won’t be-these folks slither out of more slime and somehow stay “clean”. \ ---
**Author:** ![DoctorJ](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/doctorj/32/2904_2.png) [@DoctorJ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DoctorJ)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2006, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-i-make-you-a-little-horny-well-strip-down-and-get-naked/374687/168 "2006-10-02T19:44:47Z")
[And spin gets taken to the next level.](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gr8qQ-VX9i8&eurl=) You almost feel bad for the schmucks sent out to polish this turd. Almost. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2006, 7:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-i-make-you-a-little-horny-well-strip-down-and-get-naked/374687/169 "2006-10-02T19:51:30Z")
[QUOTE=vibrotronica] 2002: Why do Democrats hate America so much? 2006: Why do Republicans like young boys so much? [/QUOTE] I have already said my piece about both Foley and Hastert in the GD thread on this topic. But this comment betrays a lack of a sense of history. Remember Democrat Gerry Studds, who had sex with an underage male page in 1983, and not only refused to apologize, but defended his conduct as consensual? Democratic leadership didn’t demand his ouster; he stayed on and kept getting re-elected until he retired in 1994. So did the Democrats stop being the party of hot boy love then, or is it still an official party position? ---
**Author:** ![rjung](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/45deac/32.png) [@rjung](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/rjung)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2006, 7:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-i-make-you-a-little-horny-well-strip-down-and-get-naked/374687/170 "2006-10-02T19:57:15Z")
[QUOTE=vibrotronica] 2002: Why do Democrats hate America so much? 2006: Why do Republicans like young boys so much? [/QUOTE] They want to show the young studs a little manly love before shipping them off to get blasted to bits in Iraq? ---
**Author:** ![eleanorigby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ee7513/32.png) [@eleanorigby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eleanorigby)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2006, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-i-make-you-a-little-horny-well-strip-down-and-get-naked/374687/171 "2006-10-02T20:01:20Z")
Here’s a thought, **Bricker** -why not deal with the matter at hand, rather than bring in 20+ year old shit? Your one tactic is to find a finger to point, no matter how old, irrelevant, trivial or specious. Anything to swerve the discussion off course (if the topic is the moral turpitude of the GOP, that is). I find your positioning of the Dems as the party of hot boy love hilarious. Let’s stick to the scum of the moment, shall we? Your boy, Foley, is on the hot seat. Talk about him, why don’t you, instead of dregging up old scandal. More eloquent posters than I will come in and dress you down (ooh, so hard to not cave in here and pun like crazy), but I’ll just stick with this: I guess you don’t look so dirty when you can scoop some mud off yourself and drub the other guy with it. ---
**Author:** ![MoodIndigo1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/e8c25b/32.png) [@MoodIndigo1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MoodIndigo1)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2006, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-i-make-you-a-little-horny-well-strip-down-and-get-naked/374687/172 "2006-10-02T20:04:38Z")
[QUOTE=elucidator] It’s like watching a shit souffle rise. [/QUOTE] Pardon me, but I had to quote your very apt analogy on another board. Kudos. ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2006, 8:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-i-make-you-a-little-horny-well-strip-down-and-get-naked/374687/173 "2006-10-02T20:04:40Z")
[QUOTE=eleanorigby] Here’s a thought, **Bricker** -why not deal with the matter at hand, rather than bring in 20+ year old shit? Your one tactic is to find a finger to point, no matter how old, irrelevant, trivial or specious. Anything to swerve the discussion off course (if the topic is the moral turpitude of the GOP, that is). I find your positioning of the Dems as the party of hot boy love hilarious. Let’s stick to the scum of the moment, shall we? Your boy, Foley, is on the hot seat. Talk about him, why don’t you, instead of dregging up old scandal. More eloquent posters than I will come in and dress you down (ooh, so hard to not cave in here and pun like crazy), but I’ll just stick with this: I guess you don’t look so dirty when you can scoop some mud off yourself and drub the other guy with it. [/QUOTE] maybe I should have said something like this: > [@Bricker](#): > > 1. From what I have seen thus far, it’s not clear to me that Foley’s conduct crossed the line into criminal. However, I readily believe that if these e-mails have been made public, there are likely other e-mails that haven’t. Reagrdless, Foley’s conduct has clearly crossed the line into “inappropriate sleazebag” and he should have resigned as he did. > > 2. If Denny Hastert had credible information about Foley earlier, he should have forced Foley out at that time. If he did not do so, then Hastert himself is guilty of an alarming breach, and should AT THE LEAST resign his leadership post, if not his own seat. How would that have been, if I had thought to say something like that? ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2006, 8:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-i-make-you-a-little-horny-well-strip-down-and-get-naked/374687/174 "2006-10-02T20:11:15Z")
What a gift this scandal is. One lone pervert quickly resigning would have been a two day story, but the RCC-style cover up not only allows the Dems to put heat on anyone who actively worked to abet the pervert, but also opens up all kinds of rich possibilities for generalizations and guilt-by-association on the part of the peanut gallery. This will probably devolve very quickly into a “Republicans = pederasts” meme. If I was one who lacked taste or fairness I might wonder aloud just how the Republicans separate the men for the boys. The answer, of course, is with a crowbar. I _could_ make that joke but I’m above that sort of thing. ---
**Author:** ![Loopydude](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e56c9b/32.png) [@Loopydude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loopydude)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2006, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-i-make-you-a-little-horny-well-strip-down-and-get-naked/374687/175 "2006-10-02T20:13:31Z")
[QUOTE=eleanorigby] D’ya think that if this were Durbin or Leahy that the GOP would cut any slack at all? Or Obama or Jackson or (insert name of generally well liked, well thought of Dem here)? No way. IMO, Foley’s feet should be held to the fire, as well as Hastert et al. I know they won’t be-these folks slither out of more slime and somehow stay “clean”. \ [/QUOTE] Well, we’ll have to see what happens to Foley in the end. My expectation is he’ll be made an example of, because of the bitter irony that he is one of the architects of his own legal demise, and his Party will not be able to allow such hypocrisy to stand uncondemned. I assume the guy is going to get crucified, now that the cat’s out of the bag, because further leniency and complacency will not serve the public image of those still in power. Could be wrong, of course. ---
**Author:** ![eleanorigby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ee7513/32.png) [@eleanorigby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eleanorigby)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2006, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-i-make-you-a-little-horny-well-strip-down-and-get-naked/374687/176 "2006-10-02T20:17:48Z")
Thank you, **Bricker** -said in exasperated tones, as a mother to a recalcitrant child. I really don’t look for your pearls of wisdom scattered about the Dope. You mentioned another thread on this topic. Did you think we all would run to read your post? By all means, let us not accuse Mr Foley of a _crime_. I am somewhat pleased to see that you consider him a sleazebag. Of course, most of Washington has that moniker as a middle name, so it ain’t much. (not sure where my hostility is coming from, but feel the need to kick a GOPer, so **Bricker** is it) **Dio** -that made me laugh. Thanks. I suggest a firehose… ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2006, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-i-make-you-a-little-horny-well-strip-down-and-get-naked/374687/177 "2006-10-02T20:19:45Z")
[QUOTE=MoodIndigo1] Pardon me, but I had to quote your very apt analogy on another board. Kudos. [/QUOTE] [blush] It has been, and remains, my policy that anything I may say is wide open for use, or outright theft, by anyone, at any time. Or, more succinctly, Freak Freely! ---
**Author:** ![eleanorigby](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/ee7513/32.png) [@eleanorigby](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/eleanorigby)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2006, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-i-make-you-a-little-horny-well-strip-down-and-get-naked/374687/178 "2006-10-02T20:23:58Z")
[QUOTE=Loopydude] I assume the guy is going to get crucified, now that the cat’s out of the bag, because further leniency and complacency will not serve the public image of those still in power. Could be wrong, of course. [/QUOTE] I think you are. Look at Rush Limbaugh. He who demonized drug addicts etc-tons of sympathy and not a whole lot of scathing condemnation in the press. There was some, but nothing like what it would have been if it had been a prominent Dem or say, Oprah. Of course, he was the “right” kind of drug addict-the Rx kind. :rolleyes: I think the Machine is in motion, and every effort will be made to force this off the front page (has it made the front page?). I wouldn’t put it past the GOP to play up a story about Iraq (must be on that shows the Administration in a good light–that might be harder than I think!). Anything to bury this. I highly doubt that any house cleaning will occur. If anything, this gives the GOP the chance to bleat loudly, “this will not stand! We are the party of family values! One bad apple does not ruin the crop!” and other manure they excell in imparting. I feel bad for the pages. What a horrible position to be placed in by an old toad, abusing his power. He’s an ass and deserves all he gets. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2006, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-i-make-you-a-little-horny-well-strip-down-and-get-naked/374687/179 "2006-10-02T20:25:56Z")
[QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic] …I _could_ make that joke but I’m above that sort of thing. [/QUOTE] I’m not! After Mr. Foley’s retreat to the House of Chemical Repentance, I was thinking along the lines of the Monty Python song about the drinking habits of philosophers (“..Wittgenstein was a beery swine…”) tailored to Republican House slimebots, with the kicker: “…Mr. Foley of Florida is particularly missed, a lovely legislator but a bugger when he’s pissed!” ---
**Author:** ![Bricker](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/977dab/32.png) [@Bricker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bricker)\ **Post date:** [October 2, 2006, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-i-make-you-a-little-horny-well-strip-down-and-get-naked/374687/180 "2006-10-02T20:26:05Z")
[QUOTE=eleanorigby] By all means, let us not accuse Mr Foley of a _crime_. I am somewhat pleased to see that you consider him a sleazebag. Of course, most of Washington has that moniker as a middle name, so it ain’t much. [/QUOTE] I didn’t accuse him of a crime until I saw something criminal. Which I shortly did: > [@Bricker at 1:27 PM](#): > > > [@squeegee](#): > > > > If you count Foley’s instant messages, no, we’re not. > > Had not seen those before. > > I read them far enough to find something that I believe qualifies as criminal: > > Maf54 (8:03:47 PM): what you wearing > Xxxxxxxxx (8:04:04 PM): normal clothes > Xxxxxxxxx (8:04:09 PM): tshirt and shorts > Maf54 (8:04:17 PM): um so a big buldge > Xxxxxxxxx (8:04:35 PM): ya > Maf54 (8:04:45 PM): um > Maf54 (8:04:58 PM): love to slip them off of you > Xxxxxxxxx (8:05:08 PM): haha > Maf54 (8:05:53 PM): and gram the one eyed snake > Maf54 (8:06:13 PM): grab > Xxxxxxxxx (8:06:53 PM): not tonight…dont get to excited > Maf54 (8:07:12 PM): well your hard > > Assuming the transcript is accurate, and that Foley, “Maf54,” believed “Xxxxxxx” to be underage, or if “Xxxxxx” was in fact underage regardless of Foley’s belief, then I contend that the exchange above is violative of the law. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-i-make-you-a-little-horny-well-strip-down-and-get-naked/374687.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-i-make-you-a-little-horny-well-strip-down-and-get-naked/374687.md?page=10)