# Do I sound angry to you too (probably mild)? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [August 10, 2006, 4:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-i-sound-angry-to-you-too-probably-mild/368169 "2006-08-10T16:08:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2006, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-i-sound-angry-to-you-too-probably-mild/368169/61 "2006-08-11T18:13:22Z")
[QUOTE=Zebra] I think it is kind of strange that you wanted to start a conversation but also want to claim that you basically have no position in that conversation. Because reading your OP, it does come across that you did not approve the casting of Angelina Jolie to play ‘a black woman’. [/QUOTE] Yeah, you can really tell how much she absolutely hates the whole idea from this passage from her OP. Emphasis added to highlight the parts that are especially dripping with disapproval. > [@monstro](#): > > I like Angelina Jolie. She’s a great actress, a fabulous-looking woman, and she seems like a good-hearted person (albeit a little strange). **So I have no beef with her taking this role.** I think she’ll do a great job. > > But I do think that it’s interesting that Jolie was cast to play this role. **One message that this sends out is that race is irrelevant to the story being told. I can get behind that.** The story is about overcoming grief…a universal struggle. Interjecting race, when it’s not relevant, could serve as a distraction. Frankly, I’m surprised she was able to type at all, she’s so clearly quivering with rage over this whole issue. ---
**Author:** ![Oy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bc8723/32.png) [@Oy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oy)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2006, 6:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-i-sound-angry-to-you-too-probably-mild/368169/62 "2006-08-11T18:24:03Z")
Yes, our **monstro** , foaming at the mouth again. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Cheesesteak](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cheesesteak/32/3694_2.png) [@Cheesesteak](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cheesesteak)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2006, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-i-sound-angry-to-you-too-probably-mild/368169/63 "2006-08-11T19:09:53Z")
There were two somewhat opposing thoughts being expressed in monstro’s OP. I’m going to paste the whole thing here, and put one comment in the middle. > [@](#): > > I like Angelina Jolie. She’s a great actress, a fabulous-looking woman, and she seems like a good-hearted person (albeit a little strange). So I have no beef with her taking this role. I think she’ll do a great job. > > But I do think that it’s interesting that Jolie was cast to play this role. One message that this sends out is that race is irrelevant to the story being told. I can get behind that. The story is about overcoming grief…a universal struggle. Interjecting race, when it’s not relevant, could serve as a distraction. > > Hollywood is full of examples of actors playing characters of different ethnicities, and nationalities. Italians playing Jews, Puerto Ricans playing Mexicans, Americans playing Australians, whites playing everyone non-white. Some of the performances are laughable and derogatory (I can’t watch The Good Earth without wincing), while others are believable and respectable (Jessica Alba in Honey). Then there are characters for whom whiteness is assumed, and yet non-whites are cast. The Rock in “Walking Tall”, and Denzel in many of his roles are examples. > > But those are fictional characters. When we are talking about an actor reenacting the life of a real-life individual, just how far should we stray from reality? One can reasonably argue it doesn’t matter whether a blonde portrays a brunette, or a tall man portrays a short man. But what about race? If someone wanted to do a movie about Lance Armstrong, and they cast Will Smith to play him, would the audience accept this as a realistic portrayl? Would ya’ll find it distracting? If the OP ended here, I’d consider it a completely neutral portrayal of the issue. How closely does a person have to resemble the real character for it to be believable? However, monstro goes on with: > [@](#): > > Mariane Pearl has stated that she is happy Angelina is playing her (let’s be honest…who wouldn’t be?) But I know a lot of black/biracial actresses feel a teeny bit slighted, and I can’t blame them. Good roles are hard enough to find for white actresses. Imagine how it is for a black actress (I said good roles, Halle Berry! Good roles!) If race is irrelevant to the story, why does the dafault have to be “white”? What would have been the harm in casting Gloria Ruben or Thandie Newton? The latter looks very much like Mariane IMHO. I’m just sayin’… This last paragraph brings up how hard it is for black actresses to get good roles, how default roles always seem to go white, and why couldn’t they cast a good black actress in this role? It’s a statement about the struggles of black actresses in Hollywood. While she may not disapprove of Jolie being cast, it sure sounds like she’d be pleased if a black actress were given the chance instead. ---
**Author:** ![WOOKINPANUB](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wookinpanub/32/132_2.png) [@WOOKINPANUB](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WOOKINPANUB)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2006, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-i-sound-angry-to-you-too-probably-mild/368169/64 "2006-08-11T19:37:13Z")
[QUOTE=CHEESESTEAK] This last paragraph brings up how hard it is for black actresses to get good roles, how default roles always seem to go white, and why couldn’t they cast a good black actress in this role? It’s a statement about the struggles of black actresses in Hollywood. While she may not disapprove of Jolie being cast, it sure sounds like she’d be pleased if a black actress were given the chance instead. [/QUOTE] Exactly. I’m not trying to pile on or attribute meaning that isn’t there, but I think the latter part of **monstro’s** post pretty much negates her statement that she has no problem with the fact that Jolie got the part. I don’t see a single thing wrong with that, or with asking “why does Hollywood cast people for roles that are of a different race?” I wouldn’t / don’t even blame her for being miffed about it (if she is miffed, that is). But I read her use of thread title as a jumping off point to discuss that very thing. Maybe she _is_ musing about odd casting choices in general, but it sure doesn’t read that way. I’m also not quite sure why she’s started this thread asking people if they detected a certain undertone and then discounting the people who answer yes. ---
**Author:** ![Zebra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/c0e974/32.png) [@Zebra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zebra)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2006, 7:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-i-sound-angry-to-you-too-probably-mild/368169/65 "2006-08-11T19:38:56Z")
I never said she was foaming with rage over the issue **Miller**. **monstro** , you can’t bring up every filim in Hollywood history unless you want to discuss ‘race and casting, a historical perpesctive’. You are talking about Angelina Jolie playing Mrs. Pearl. The fact that The Good Earth was based on a book by Pearl S. Buck, does not make it relavent. What did you want to discuss? Is AJ right for this particular role? Should actors cast to play real life people match the real life look of the person? Does Hollywood discriminate against ethinc actors, still? I still feel your OP is anti Angelina playing Mrs. Pearl. All your statements of praise of her are sort of qualifiers but then you mention other people who ‘look’ the part better. Basically what **Cheesesteak** says above. (OH and I strongly disagree that Angelina Jolie is a fine actress, but that is a different discussion altogether) ---
**Author:** ![monstro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@monstro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monstro)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2006, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-i-sound-angry-to-you-too-probably-mild/368169/66 "2006-08-11T21:00:58Z")
[QUOTE=Cheesesteak] However, monstro goes on with:This last paragraph brings up how hard it is for black actresses to get good roles, how default roles always seem to go white, and why couldn’t they cast a good black actress in this role? It’s a statement about the struggles of black actresses in Hollywood. While she may not disapprove of Jolie being cast, it sure sounds like she’d be pleased if a black actress were given the chance instead. [/QUOTE] And I don’t know why this is such a bad, horrible, controversial thing. You make it sound like I’m resentful or brooding with jealousy. I don’t watch movies with only black characters. I’m not fans of all black actors (personally, I think Halle Berry sucks as an actress and that she did not deserve her Emmy. But I digress…). I didn’t even watch Oprah’s Legend’s Ball…I didn’t even know what it was until a white person told me about it! But yes, I do think it would have been grand if they had casted a woman of color to play one of those rare roles where race is not the point of the film. I’m aware that people probably think this is a racist, that I’m advocating discrimination or Affirmative Action. But I’m not going to lie just to be PC. I can say I’d like to see more roles filled by black actresses while still being satisfied that Jolie will do a good job playing Mariane Pearl. They aren’t mutually exclusive. > [@WOOKINPANUB](#): > > I’m also not quite sure why she’s started this thread asking people if they detected a certain undertone and then discounting the people who answer yes. I haven’t discounted anyone except **Zebra** , who only seems bent on arguing against points I haven’t made. Posters like **Oy!** explained why my word choices might have riled people up, and I took what she said to heart. Did you notice that I calmly asked **DrDerth** why he felt my OP “hinted of outrage”, and he did not respond? Was I just supposed to nod my head and thank him for his comment? I can take plenty of criticism as long as it’s constructive. ---
**Author:** ![Oy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bc8723/32.png) [@Oy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oy)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2006, 11:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-i-sound-angry-to-you-too-probably-mild/368169/67 "2006-08-11T23:04:23Z")
Well, my explanation may have been constructive, but it wasn’t intended as criticism. The fact is, “interesting” is one of those words that’s hard to parse in writing, because it can be straight or laden. There’s really no other word that means the same thing, so I don’t see how you could have done anything differently. You meant “worthy of interest,” and I can’t think of any other word that would have communicated that without also running the risk of similar lading - had you said, say, fascinating, it would have been potentially far MORE strongly interpreted as meaning suspicious, especially since the casting of a movie star in a movie you have little interest in actually seeing doesn’t seem to lend itself to being a truly fascinating topic. Interesting, yes. Fascinating, no. But let’s just assume for the moment that there was a truly negative slant to your OP. It still doesn’t remotely qualify as outrage or even anger. So I’m still not seeing the issue that apparently some people loaded onto you here. ---
**Author:** ![Zebra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/c0e974/32.png) [@Zebra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zebra)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2006, 11:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-i-sound-angry-to-you-too-probably-mild/368169/68 "2006-08-11T23:31:10Z")
[QUOTE=monstro] I haven’t discounted anyone except **Zebra** , who only seems bent on arguing against points I haven’t made. [/QUOTE] Great, I’ve been discounted! 50% off Zebra! How about asking questions? [QUOTE=Zebra] What did you want to discuss? Is AJ right for this particular role? Should actors cast to play real life people match the real life look of the person? Does Hollywood discriminate against ethinc actors, still? [/QUOTE] Me asking you questions, is not argueing against points you haven’t made. That would be difficult for me to do since you don’t seem to have a point and you don’t seem to want to make one. You said you wanted to ‘start a discussion’ with your Cafe Society thread. What did you want to talk about? ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [August 11, 2006, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-i-sound-angry-to-you-too-probably-mild/368169/69 "2006-08-11T23:59:36Z")
[QUOTE=Zebra] I never said she was foaming with rage over the issue **Miller**. [/quote] Yes, I know. I was mocking you when I typed that. I’m surprised you missed it, what with you being a master intuiter of tone, and all. So good at it that, in fact, you were able to divine that **monstro** objected to the casting of Angelina Jolie in that film based purely on her tone, without being at all fooled by her two _explicit denials_ that she had any objection to the casting. I guess she was lying when she said that? Or maybe just deluded. Hard for me to say, I’m not as good at reading the subtleties of “tone” as you are. > [@](#): > > **monstro** , you can’t bring up every filim in Hollywood history unless you want to discuss ‘race and casting, a historical perpesctive’. > > You are talking about Angelina Jolie playing Mrs. Pearl. The fact that The Good Earth was based on a book by Pearl S. Buck, does not make it relavent. Speaking of irrelevant… What’s your point here, precisely? She mentioned _The Good Earth_ specifically in the context of wether or not cross-racial casting works. Sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn’t. That was the whole of her point. Perhaps it is something in her “tone” that leads you to believe that she was making some larger issue out of it? > [@](#): > > What did you want to discuss? Well, let’s look at the OP, shall we? There are some pretty specific questions in there: > [@monstro](#): > > When we are talking about an actor reenacting the life of a real-life individual, just how far should we stray from reality? One can reasonably argue it doesn’t matter whether a blonde portrays a brunette, or a tall man portrays a short man. But what about race? If someone wanted to do a movie about Lance Armstrong, and they cast Will Smith to play him, would the audience accept this as a realistic portrayl? Would ya’ll find it distracting? So, going _way_ out on a limb here, I’m guessing the topics she wanted to discuss had something to do with the questions asked in her OP. I know, radical concept, reading the OP for content and reacting to what’s actually been written, as opposed to what you divine from reading chicken entrails (or however the hell it is you decided what her “tone” was) but just try giving it a shot. Who knows what might happen? > [@Zebra](#): > > I still feel your OP is anti Angelina playing Mrs. Pearl. All your statements of praise of her are sort of qualifiers but then you mention other people who ‘look’ the part better. Basically what **Cheesesteak** says above. Please point out the “qualifier” in the following statement: > [@monstro](#): > > So I have no beef with her taking this role. Now, moving on to the estimable **Cheesesteak** : > [@Cheesesteak](#): > > This last paragraph brings up how hard it is for black actresses to get good roles, how default roles always seem to go white, and why couldn’t they cast a good black actress in this role? It’s a statement about the struggles of black actresses in Hollywood. While she may not disapprove of Jolie being cast, it sure sounds like she’d be pleased if a black actress were given the chance instead. I can see where you’re coming from with that, but I disagree with your interpretation. She says “black/biracial actresses feel a teeny bit slighted.” **monstro** , so far as I know, is not an actress, so I do not think it appropriate to attribute this view to her. She’s simply framing the debate, offering her own take (“I have no beef with her taking this role,”) and provided reasons why someone might take an opposite position. I can certainly understand why this might have been a little confusing at first, but given her two disclaimers of non-offense in the OP of that thread, and her constant insistence in the remainder of that thread and in this one that she did not have a problem with the casting, it seems very unfair to keep telling her that she really secretly deep down is bothered by it. ---
**Author:** ![Oy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bc8723/32.png) [@Oy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oy)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2006, 12:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-i-sound-angry-to-you-too-probably-mild/368169/70 "2006-08-12T00:11:08Z")
[QUOTE=Zebra] Great, I’ve been discounted! 50% off Zebra! [/QUOTE] Well, how much are you going for then? Although I’ve heard that Zebras simply don’t domesticate well at all, so you probably wouldn’t work out. I mean, I’d want a critter who could do yard work and get things off of high shelves or lift up heavy stuff or get lids off of jars - you know, the stuff men are usually good for. That’s no good if all you’re doing is biting and kicking all the time! 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Zebra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/c0e974/32.png) [@Zebra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zebra)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2006, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-i-sound-angry-to-you-too-probably-mild/368169/71 "2006-08-12T00:25:50Z")
**Miller** Suck my dick. And in case you dont’ get that tone, I mean, suck my dick. **monstro** started this thread to ask if we thought she sounded angry in her op in the CS thread. I answered that question. Now if you don’t like that answer, well, suck my dick. If you don’t understand my answer, well, I tried to explain it to **monstro** , who asked question of my response. She and I aren’t connecting very well so I’ve been “discounted”, and who knows, maybe put on her ignore list by now. She seems like a pretty intelligent woman and I don’t think she needs you come and insult me for her. So really **Miller** , suck my fat one you cheep dimestore hood. ---
**Author:** ![Oy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/bc8723/32.png) [@Oy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Oy)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2006, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-i-sound-angry-to-you-too-probably-mild/368169/72 "2006-08-12T00:31:48Z")
[QUOTE=Zebra] **Miller** Suck my dick. And in case you dont’ get that tone, I mean, suck my dick. **monstro** started this thread to ask if we thought she sounded angry in her op in the CS thread. I answered that question. Now if you don’t like that answer, well, suck my dick. If you don’t understand my answer, well, I tried to explain it to **monstro** , who asked question of my response. She and I aren’t connecting very well so I’ve been “discounted”, and who knows, maybe put on her ignore list by now. She seems like a pretty intelligent woman and I don’t think she needs you come and insult me for her. So really **Miller** , suck my fat one you cheep dimestore hood. [/QUOTE] See? Zebras just don’t domesticate very well. Sigh… ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2006, 2:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-i-sound-angry-to-you-too-probably-mild/368169/73 "2006-08-12T02:02:41Z")
[QUOTE=Zebra] **monstro** started this thread to ask if we thought she sounded angry in her op in the CS thread. I answered that question. Now if you don’t like that answer, well, suck my dick. If you don’t understand my answer, well, I tried to explain it to **monstro** , who asked question of my response. She and I aren’t connecting very well so I’ve been “discounted”, and who knows, maybe put on her ignore list by now. She seems like a pretty intelligent woman and I don’t think she needs you come and insult me for her. [/QUOTE] Yes, I saw your explanations. The problem is, your explanations are really, really stupid. She said in her OP, explicitly, _twice_ that she didn’t have a problem with the casting in this film. You responded that her “tone” was offended. Apparently, you put greater weight on “tone” than the _actual content of her post_. Seriously, how do you defend that position? Is **monstro** lying when she says she’s not offended by the casting? Why would she lie about that, precisely? Or are you saying she’s deluded? That she only _thinks_ she wasn’t offended, but really, she was? How exactly are you in a position to know that? Seems to me that, for some goddamn reason, you’re hellbent on picking a fight with **monstro** , and are grasping at any excuse to needle her. Your whole obsession with _The Good Earth_, for example, is pretty fucking bizarre, not to mention wholly misleading as to what she was trying to say about it. You keep accusing her of “generalizing” about Hollywood with that movie. Except, she wasn’t doing anything of the kind. Look at her quote. And mean, really look at it. Read the actual words for a change: > [@monstro](#): > > Some of the performances are laughable and derogatory (I can’t watch The Good Earth without wincing), while others are believable and respectable (Jessica Alba in Honey). What’s the generalization here? She’s talking about other movies that have been cast “colorblind,” and how sometimes it works, and sometimes it doesn’t. What part of that, specifically, do you have a problem with? Do you not agree with her examples? Are you crazy in love with _The Good Earth_, and pissed that she doesn’t like it? You’re consistently making absolutely no sense at all in this thread. It’s really goddamned wierd, and kind of annoying. As for sucking your dick: sorry, I only do that for guys I like. You’re kind of a jerk. No head for you. ---
**Author:** ![monstro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@monstro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monstro)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2006, 3:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-i-sound-angry-to-you-too-probably-mild/368169/74 "2006-08-12T03:14:32Z")
[QUOTE=Miller] As for sucking your dick: sorry, I only do that for guys I like. You’re kind of a jerk. No head for you. [/QUOTE] Dick nazi!!! ---
**Author:** ![Zebra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/c0e974/32.png) [@Zebra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zebra)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2006, 3:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-i-sound-angry-to-you-too-probably-mild/368169/75 "2006-08-12T03:41:20Z")
The Good Earth is not an example of color blind casting. If you, or monstro, think it is, you are incorrect. The casting in The Good Earth is done as either the producers were too lazy to go out and find ‘ethincally corret’ actors or they would put one of ‘those people’ in their movie. Actually, due to the studio system in place at the time, the producers would be using their stars that were on contract and wouldn’t be casting the movie like people would today. That, being almost 70 years ago, is a completly different world. Today, “hollywood” studios rarely ‘produce’ a film in the way they did back then. There are tons of ‘production companies’ that actually produce the films, the studios do some of the production but their important role is the distribution of the product. There were no independent producers in 1937. Studios today do consider race in casting but mostly they only consider what the majority of ticket buyers want to see. For instance, for the movie Hitch, after doing some research, they decided that Will Smith’s girlfriend would be best played by a Hispanic woman. That is because black audiences would be upset if he was dating a white woman and white audiences would stay away if his girlfriend was black. That decision was made based on what the market research said and no other reason what so ever. However, not all casting decisions are made today based on market research. You see, with so many production companies, and with all of them doing their own thing, it is really difficult to say what “hollywood” is doing because when it comes to casting, or marketing or producing, Hollywood doesn’t do one thing. So in short, the Hollywood of 1937 is completly different from the Hollywood of today so comparisons between the methods of casting, and the effectivness of the casting are really impossible. That is like saying that Chaucer didn’t spell very well. The schools of thought on acting, directing, producing, and marketing of films are completly different from 1937 to today. Oh and the idea that The Good Earth is color blind casting is stupid. Who’s idea was that? Oh yeah, it was **Miller** who said that bit of stupidity. Now, Suck my dick, bitch. OH and since you didn’t get the tone, when I invite you to suck my dick, your enjoyment of the act wasn’t something I had in mind. ---
**Author:** ![Dangerosa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/22d042/32.png) [@Dangerosa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dangerosa)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2006, 4:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-i-sound-angry-to-you-too-probably-mild/368169/76 "2006-08-12T04:10:07Z")
I think the Good Earth is a great example of what is going on here. The movie is being produced by Brad Pitt’s production company. Mr. Pitt doesn’t have a stable of actors under contract, but he does have a girlfriend (wife? I’m not tracking this one - how about spouse or spousal equivalent) and his girlfriend has a guy who owns a production company. That seems more like the old studio system than if the Weinsteins were producing this and picked Jolie. (Oh, and you didn’t sound upset or irate - maybe divided and interested in exploring your feelings ) ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2006, 5:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-i-sound-angry-to-you-too-probably-mild/368169/77 "2006-08-12T05:58:30Z")
[QUOTE=Zebra] The Good Earth is not an example of color blind casting. [/quote] If “color blind casting” is some sort of term of art for the film or drama crowds, I plead ignorance of it. I was looking for a more concise way of saying, “casting people in roles that don’t match the actor’s ethnicity.” If the phrase as a prior meaning, as you seem to be implying, I was unaware of it. However, you are so entirely missing the point it’s not even funny. **monstro** ’s remark had nothing to do with how studios cast films. Why the films starred actors playing outside their ethnicities has absolutely nothing to do with what **monsto** was saying. Go that? No-thing. She was explaining how she felt, as a viewer, when she saw movies that cast actors in roles that did not match their ethnicity. Sometimes it worked (_Honey_), sometimes it didn’t (_The Good Earth_). That’s all. She’s not making a generalization about Hollywood. So all this stuff here? > [@](#): > > So in short, the Hollywood of 1937 is completly different from the Hollywood of today so comparisons between the methods of casting, and the effectivness of the casting are really impossible. NO ONE IS MAKING THAT COMPARISON, DUMBFUCK! > [@](#): > > OH and since you didn’t get the tone, when I invite you to suck my dick, your enjoyment of the act wasn’t something I had in mind. Well, then I’m not very likely to accept your invitation, am I? ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2006, 6:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-i-sound-angry-to-you-too-probably-mild/368169/78 "2006-08-12T06:01:29Z")
Oh, and **monstro** , I don’t usually do sigs, but for this thread, I’m making an exception. ---
**Author:** ![Askia](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/96bed5/32.png) [@Askia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Askia)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2006, 4:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-i-sound-angry-to-you-too-probably-mild/368169/79 "2006-08-12T16:39:15Z")
Now that the OP is asked and answered – Do _I_ sound angry to you bitches? I can turn it up a notch. I wouldn’t want y’all to mistake my kindness for meekness. ---
**Author:** ![Zebra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/c0e974/32.png) [@Zebra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zebra)\ **Post date:** [August 12, 2006, 4:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-i-sound-angry-to-you-too-probably-mild/368169/80 "2006-08-12T16:50:54Z")
Let me get things straight. So, you admit you are ignorant about casting and yet you continue to argue about it with me. You don’t allow me to read ‘tone’ into posts but you can read my tone and **monstro** ’s tone perfectly. But on to this. [QUOTE=Miller] NO ONE IS MAKING THAT COMPARISON, DUMBFUCK! [/QUOTE] Let’s look at this again with a little bolding. [QUOTE=monstro, original thread] Hollywood is full of examples of actors playing characters of different ethnicities, and nationalities. Italians playing Jews, Puerto Ricans playing Mexicans, Americans playing Australians, whites playing everyone non-white. **Some of the performances are laughable and derogatory (I can’t watch The Good Earth without wincing), while others are believable and respectable (Jessica Alba in Honey).** Then there are characters for whom whiteness is assumed, and yet non-whites are cast. The Rock in “Walking Tall”, and Denzel in many of his roles are examples. [/QUOTE] **monstro** makes the comparison. Right there. In that paragraph, which you have quoted so, I’m sorry, I thought you had read that. She names two films. One is from 1937 and the next film on the list is from 2003. She compares the effectivness of the casting in those films to each other. That indicates,\* to me\*, that she believes the casting process for both films were somehow similar. That the reason for casting people of different ethnic background than the character they are portraying were similar. She compares the casting of The Good Earth to the casting in Honey. The fact that she starts the paragraph with this [QUOTE=monstor] **Hollywood** is full of examples of actors playing characters of different ethnicities, and nationalities. [/QUOTE] She is saying ‘Hollywood’ casts roles this way. Not, the producers of The Good Earth and the producers of Honey, but the generic Hollywood. It is the equilvent of ‘They’. They do this. They do that. When in fact, there is no ‘they’ because there is no ‘Hollywood’ in the sense that **monstro** is speaking. (as I have demonstrated) Or don’t you get that. So, do you really stand by your statement that no one is comparing 1937 casting to today’s casting? So who is the dumbfuck now? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-i-sound-angry-to-you-too-probably-mild/368169.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-i-sound-angry-to-you-too-probably-mild/368169.md?page=5)