# DO NOT piss off that Marine **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [June 23, 2007, 2:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-not-piss-off-that-marine/409093 "2007-06-23T02:36:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![buttonjockey308](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/bcef8e/32.png) [@buttonjockey308](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/buttonjockey308)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2007, 2:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-not-piss-off-that-marine/409093/61 "2007-06-24T14:08:07Z")
[QUOTE=if6was9] Um. Not go camping where there are fricking bears? Um. If you do, you carry like a gun or something? I mean, this jarhead was so unprepared he had to use a log??? I’m not ranting on his killing the bear, defending his family. I’m ranting on this mindless killing droid “killin’ a b’ar with his bare hands”. And all you drones applauding the dumb fuck for it. No thought, no planning, just an OORah and a heaved log. I’ll deal with any situation with the required amount of violence. :smack: Dumb. Mindless. Fuck. [/QUOTE] Son, you are a world-class moron. Dealing with ANY situation with the required amount of violence is how things work. What the fuck did you expect him to do, REASON with the fuckin thing? You can talk and talk and talk about what you THINK he should have done, but when you’re face to muzzle with 300 pounds of angry meat, you do what you can with what you have. And honestly, if he HAD brought a gun along, junior’s daft ass would have found THAT, shot himself, and this would be an entirely different thread Oh, and Ditto what telemark said, and… OOrah! ---
**Author:** ![Harmonious\_Discord](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/74df32/32.png) [@Harmonious\_Discord](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Harmonious_Discord)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2007, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-not-piss-off-that-marine/409093/62 "2007-06-24T14:14:19Z")
What states in the continental USA don’t have wild bears? ---
**Author:** ![Telemark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/telemark/32/372_2.png) [@Telemark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Telemark)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2007, 2:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-not-piss-off-that-marine/409093/63 "2007-06-24T14:14:39Z")
[QUOTE=Siam Sam] That was one brave cop who issued the ticket. [/QUOTE] It was probably a ranger, and it’s standard procedure. Bears are not threatening creatures unless you do something stupid. This guy and his family did something stupid by leaving food out. Once that happened I can’t fault his response, but it was his own fault for getting into that situation. ---
**Author:** ![mangeorge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d78d45/32.png) [@mangeorge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mangeorge)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2007, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-not-piss-off-that-marine/409093/64 "2007-06-24T14:16:24Z")
[QUOTE=if6was9] Touche’. I did try to bow out of this fight. Heaven forbid someone should speak ill of the almighty Marines. [/QUOTE] give us a few sane words about your apparent hatred of Marines, please. Some possibiliyies; You’re an Air Force veteran. A Limousine Liberal. Your lover left you for a Marine. You’re from a Marine family. I dunno. You realize that the majority of Marines have lived their whole lives without ever killing anyone, even a bear. Right? Your anger isn’t directed at the death of a bear, but at the Marine, and everyone who might not think he’s an idiot. I honestly don’t get it. Peace, mangeorge ---
**Author:** ![FordPrefect](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e99b99/32.png) [@FordPrefect](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FordPrefect)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2007, 2:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-not-piss-off-that-marine/409093/65 "2007-06-24T14:42:56Z")
[QUOTE=if6was9] I’m done with this piece of crap. You think he’d have been in more trouble if he hadn’t secured his campfire? Or you think he’d have been in more trouble if he actually carried a gun? Or you think he’d have been in more trouble **if he hadn’t brought his family into a den of bears???** Step back and think about your “logic” here… [/QUOTE] Are you a bear? Cause that’s the only way this makes sense… ---
**Author:** ![SkipMagic](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skipmagic/32/20706_2.png) [@SkipMagic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SkipMagic)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2007, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-not-piss-off-that-marine/409093/66 "2007-06-24T14:52:02Z")
[QUOTE=if6was9] Says you, happy. I tried to bow out of this fight. If you want to continue it, bring it on, bitch. 😛 [/QUOTE] This isn’t a brawl, **if6was9** , and calling someone a “bitch” (even if you put a smiley after it) in MPSIMS isn’t appropriate. > [@buttonjockey308](#): > > Son, you are a world-class moron. This ain’t appropriate, either, **buttonjockey308**. ---
**Author:** ![robardin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/43a26b/32.png) [@robardin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/robardin)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2007, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-not-piss-off-that-marine/409093/67 "2007-06-24T15:08:00Z")
So a Marine killing a bear (unintentionally) by chucking a piece of wood at its head is no doubt impressive. But what about some of the other feats of strength on display from the same webpage as given in the OP? For example, the _sixty-two_ year old guy [who strangles a rabid bobcat that is attacking him](http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19332095/) with his _bare hands_. Or the 72-year old guy who used his crutch to put an end to a [squirrel’s rampage of terror](http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19223211/) in the park? ---
**Author:** ![Wile\_E](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c37758/32.png) [@Wile\_E](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wile_E)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2007, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-not-piss-off-that-marine/409093/68 "2007-06-24T15:38:48Z")
I’d like to emphasize a few points that others have said here. 1. The situation was the guys own doing; a) he did not secure his camp so as not to attract bears. b) he did not teach his 6 year old not to hit bears with shovels. 2. Once the bear attacked he had no choice but try to defend the stupid kid and himself with whatever was handy. 3. He threw the log to scare it and it was dumb luck that it actually killed the bear. 4. He deserved the ticket because again, it was his fault that he attracted the bear and that his kid antagonized it. 5. Had he done what he was supposed to do in a bear prone area chances are good the bear would still be alive and doing what bears do when not enticed with free food, like eating berries, cavorting and pooping in the woods, and a bunch of strangers on a message board wouldn’t have this to argue about. 6. The fact that he was/is a Marine has nothing to do with anything. ---
**Author:** ![enipla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/54ee81/32.png) [@enipla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/enipla)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2007, 3:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-not-piss-off-that-marine/409093/69 "2007-06-24T15:59:59Z")
[QUOTE=buttonjockey308] Son, you are a world-class moron. Dealing with ANY situation with the required amount of violence is how things work. What the fuck did you expect him to do, REASON with the fuckin thing? [/QUOTE] Harsh language. I live in bear country. I’ve only encountered 4. Two I had to scare away. But they just would not budge. Just kept watching me and the house. Finally, I ended up shooting a stump or tree near it. That seems to do the trick. ---
**Author:** ![Don\_t\_fight\_the\_hypothetical](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/59ef9b/32.png) [@Don\_t\_fight\_the\_hypothetical](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Don_t_fight_the_hypothetical)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2007, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-not-piss-off-that-marine/409093/70 "2007-06-24T17:01:56Z")
**jjim** , clearly you are not a Marine. However you are being too hard on yourself. I think everyone here would agree that the loss of a son is a small price to pay for not looking “brutish”. I say well done, man. ---
**Author:** ![ArizonaTeach](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/45deac/32.png) [@ArizonaTeach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ArizonaTeach)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2007, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-not-piss-off-that-marine/409093/71 "2007-06-24T17:22:14Z")
So, what I’m getting out of this thread is that the cop who gave the ticket was **if6was9** and now he’s trying to justify it? Am I close? ---
**Author:** ![mangeorge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d78d45/32.png) [@mangeorge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mangeorge)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2007, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-not-piss-off-that-marine/409093/72 "2007-06-24T17:29:09Z")
[QUOTE=ArizonaTeach] So, what I’m getting out of this thread is that the cop who gave the ticket was **if6was9** and now he’s trying to justify it? Am I close? [/QUOTE] **if6was9** is not being as forthcoming about **if6was9** as he/she is about other posters on this thread. ---
**Author:** ![Rick](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/9f8e36/32.png) [@Rick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2007, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-not-piss-off-that-marine/409093/73 "2007-06-24T20:09:12Z")
[QUOTE=ArizonaTeach] So, what I’m getting out of this thread is that the cop who gave the ticket was **if6was9** and now he’s trying to justify it? Am I close? [/QUOTE] No I think that **Ford Prefect** nailed it back a few posts > [@](#): > > Are you a bear? Cause that’s the only way this makes sense… ---
**Author:** ![Least\_Original\_User\_Name\_Ever](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e480ec/32.png) [@Least\_Original\_User\_Name\_Ever](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Least_Original_User_Name_Ever)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2007, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-not-piss-off-that-marine/409093/74 "2007-06-24T22:09:18Z")
[QUOTE=Wile E] I’d like to emphasize a few points that others have said here. 1. The situation was the guys own doing; a) he did not secure his camp so as not to attract bears. b) he did not teach his 6 year old not to hit bears with shovels. 2. Once the bear attacked he had no choice but try to defend the stupid kid and himself with whatever was handy. 3. He threw the log to scare it and it was dumb luck that it actually killed the bear. 4. He deserved the ticket because again, it was his fault that he attracted the bear and that his kid antagonized it. 5. Had he done what he was supposed to do in a bear prone area chances are good the bear would still be alive and doing what bears do when not enticed with free food, like eating berries, cavorting and pooping in the woods, and a bunch of strangers on a message board wouldn’t have this to argue about. 6. The fact that he was/is a Marine has nothing to do with anything. [/QUOTE] Agreed. How’d this get into a slugfest anyways? ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Scrappy\_Hero\_Pup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ea5d25/32.png) [@Happy\_Scrappy\_Hero\_Pup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Scrappy_Hero_Pup)\ **Post date:** [June 24, 2007, 10:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-not-piss-off-that-marine/409093/75 "2007-06-24T22:11:44Z")
Posts 20 and 22. ---
**Author:** ![Rick](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/9f8e36/32.png) [@Rick](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rick)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2007, 12:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-not-piss-off-that-marine/409093/76 "2007-06-25T00:25:59Z")
[QUOTE=Wile E] 1. The situation was the guys own doing; b) he did not teach his 6 year old not to hit bears with shovels. [/QUOTE] When I was a kid, I did a bunch of camping with my dad and the scouts. As an adult I did a bunch of camping with my kids. Never once was I instructed not to hit a bear with a shovel. Also I have never told anybody I was camping with not to hit a bear with a shovel. There are some things that just seem to be so out of the ordinary that you don’t necessarily issue instructions ahead of time about them. “OK kids now if Big Foot comes into our camp tonight here is what you should do…” “OK kids if ET shows up tonight here is what you do…” ---
**Author:** ![mangeorge](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/d78d45/32.png) [@mangeorge](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/mangeorge)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2007, 12:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-not-piss-off-that-marine/409093/77 "2007-06-25T00:55:16Z")
[QUOTE=Rick] When I was a kid, I did a bunch of camping with my dad and the scouts. As an adult I did a bunch of camping with my kids. Never once was I instructed not to hit a bear with a shovel. Also I have never told anybody I was camping with not to hit a bear with a shovel. There are some things that just seem to be so out of the ordinary that you don’t necessarily issue instructions ahead of time about them. “OK kids now if Big Foot comes into our camp tonight here is what you should do…” “OK kids if ET shows up tonight here is what you do…” [/QUOTE] I was thinking along those lines too. But my kidhood camping experience was pretty limited. I got kicked out of the cub scouts for being too poor. ---
**Author:** ![pool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pool/32/4152_2.png) [@pool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pool)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2007, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-not-piss-off-that-marine/409093/78 "2007-06-25T01:53:51Z")
If only this guy had been camping in Romania…Though maybe he would have needed a stake instead of a log. [http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/europe/06/24/bear.attack.ap/index.html](http://www.cnn.com/2007/WORLD/europe/06/24/bear.attack.ap/index.html) ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2007, 2:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-not-piss-off-that-marine/409093/79 "2007-06-25T02:01:24Z")
**Wile E** pretty much nailed it. It was the guy’s own fault the situation occured, but after that he acted appropriately, and **if6was9** is grossly mistaken in his worldview. ---
**Author:** ![1010011010](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/1/ea666f/32.png) [@1010011010](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/1010011010)\ **Post date:** [June 25, 2007, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-not-piss-off-that-marine/409093/80 "2007-06-25T02:56:33Z")
.45ACP is not a good round for bear. It does not penetrate sufficiently and is not likely to kill the animal before it can slap the life out of you. Having a loaded firearm in a national park is unauthorized in all but a tiny handful of very specific circumstances. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-not-piss-off-that-marine/409093.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-not-piss-off-that-marine/409093.md?page=5)