# Do Not Re-elect Bush 2004 **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [July 22, 2002, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-not-re-elect-bush-2004/120154 "2002-07-22T01:44:25Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![jharek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/9dc877/32.png) [@jharek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jharek)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2002, 1:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-not-re-elect-bush-2004/120154/1 "2002-07-22T01:44:25Z")
The times of us having a Corporate Puppet for President is no longer needed or appreciated. America has the fewest political parties of any country besides countries with dictatorships or communist regimes. a 2 party system is tooo easily manipulated. And unfortunately, Americas 3rd parties dont get ANY media or even be ALLOWED to debate with the mainstream parties. Also, there is a lot more to the Bush story then we all have been told. Do some research on Google. Type in some key words, it wont be hard to find some alternative media. DO a search on Prescott Bush, GW’s daddy… it gets into the Bush family dealings. the first Bush should have NEVER been CIA director, let alone the Presidency…now his son is in office. I dont personally dislike GW, he is very charismatic, however most US foes HATE the BUSHES… and I could see something crazy happening in Bushes second term… it could make 9-11 look like pattycake. I hope this next election the 3rd parties in America get some media respect. And I hope a quality 3rd party candidate steps up and hits a homerun Like Perot almost did. He could have won if he hadnt bowed out in the middle of the race. I wonder if he was strong armed into doing that? Do you think? He took a large % of George Bush’s votes. Cost him the Election, but they got the same kind of guy in office with Clinton, they are all Bilderbergers. Heh, I wonder if we will ever see a non-Bilderberger president? My guess is no. ☹ ---
**Author:** ![Revtim](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/revtim/32/1042_2.png) [@Revtim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revtim)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2002, 2:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-not-re-elect-bush-2004/120154/2 "2002-07-22T02:05:04Z")
Bilderberger? ---
**Author:** ![pldennison](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/9fc29f/32.png) [@pldennison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pldennison)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2002, 2:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-not-re-elect-bush-2004/120154/3 "2002-07-22T02:11:26Z")
FTR, Prescott Bush is GWB’s **grand** father, and he served with honor for ten years in the Senate. Among other things, he’s the man who asked McCarthy on live television, “At long last, sir, have you no dignity?” ---
**Author:** ![Neurotik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/91b2a8/32.png) [@Neurotik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Neurotik)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2002, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-not-re-elect-bush-2004/120154/4 "2002-07-22T02:21:28Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Revtim \* > \*\*Bilderberger? \*\* The Bilderberg Group. Supposedly (according to most Conspiracy Theorists), the world is run by a group of industrial captains known as the Bilderberg Group. They meet a few times each year in order to decide who runs in the US presidential race and other government elections all over the world. The control all finance, etc. Basically, modern Illuminati. Gives an indication that **jharek** is off his rocker. ---
**Author:** ![Big\_Kahuna\_Burger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e0b2c6/32.png) [@Big\_Kahuna\_Burger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Big_Kahuna_Burger)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2002, 2:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-not-re-elect-bush-2004/120154/5 "2002-07-22T02:24:13Z")
It all balances out. Sure, the left has people like **jharek** , but the right has those people who think black helicopters are monitoring them and the UN, in collusion with China, is sending tanks into Canada in preparation of invasion. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2002, 2:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-not-re-elect-bush-2004/120154/6 "2002-07-22T02:25:51Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by pldennison \* > \*\*FTR, Prescott Bush is GWB’s **grand** father, and he served with honor for ten years in the Senate. Among other things, he’s the man who asked McCarthy on live television, “At long last, sir, have you no dignity?” \*\* Are you sure about that? I thought it was the defending attourney during the hearings? ---
**Author:** ![pldennison](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/9fc29f/32.png) [@pldennison](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pldennison)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2002, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-not-re-elect-bush-2004/120154/7 "2002-07-22T02:37:25Z")
Actually, you’re probably right. But he did stand up to McCarthy. ---
**Author:** ![Fang](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/96bed5/32.png) [@Fang](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fang)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2002, 2:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-not-re-elect-bush-2004/120154/8 "2002-07-22T02:42:54Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by jharek \* > **Also, there is a lot more to the Bush story then we all have been told. Do some research on Google. Type in some key words, it wont be hard to find some alternative media.** “I know it’s true because I read it on the Internet!” ---
**Author:** ![Brutus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/91b2a8/32.png) [@Brutus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Brutus)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2002, 2:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-not-re-elect-bush-2004/120154/9 "2002-07-22T02:44:05Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Big Kahuna Burger \* > \*\*It all balances out. Sure, the left has people like **jharek** , but the right has those people who think black helicopters are monitoring them and the UN, in collusion with China, is sending tanks into Canada in preparation of invasion. \*\* Why do you think we watch _‘Red Dawn’_ at least once a month? Training, I tell you! ---
**Author:** ![Neurotik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/91b2a8/32.png) [@Neurotik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Neurotik)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2002, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-not-re-elect-bush-2004/120154/10 "2002-07-22T02:48:39Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Big Kahuna Burger \* > \*\*It all balances out. Sure, the left has people like **jharek** , but the right has those people who think black helicopters are monitoring them and the UN, in collusion with China, is sending tanks into Canada in preparation of invasion. \*\* You’d be surprised. A lot of right-wingers believe in the Bilderberg group. For more info, there was a book that came out a year or two ago by a British guy, I think the title was _Them_ or something. I know, I know…most useless book reference ever. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2002, 2:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-not-re-elect-bush-2004/120154/11 "2002-07-22T02:51:30Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by pldennison \* > \*\*Actually, you’re probably right. But he did stand up to McCarthy. \*\* Wouldn’t surprise me. Weren’t the Bushes pretty liberal back in the day-I believe Bush Sr. was pro-choice until he had a shot at the presidency. ---
**Author:** ![zev\_steinhardt](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/97f17d/32.png) [@zev\_steinhardt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/zev_steinhardt)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2002, 2:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-not-re-elect-bush-2004/120154/12 "2002-07-22T02:52:55Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Neurotik \* > \*\* > The Bilderberg Group. Supposedly (according to most Conspiracy Theorists), the world is run by a group of industrial captains known as the Bilderberg Group. They meet a few times each year in order to decide who runs in the US presidential race and other government elections all over the world. The control all finance, etc. \*\* You mean the ZOG has competition? 😃 Zev Steinhardt ---
**Author:** ![Neurotik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/91b2a8/32.png) [@Neurotik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Neurotik)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2002, 2:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-not-re-elect-bush-2004/120154/13 "2002-07-22T02:53:16Z")
OK…here we go. _Them: Adventures with Extremists_ by Jon Ronson. [Good book, I recommend it](http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0743227077/qid=1027306010/sr=2-3/ref=sr_2_3/103-6243042-9164645). ---
**Author:** ![Neurotik](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/91b2a8/32.png) [@Neurotik](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Neurotik)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2002, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-not-re-elect-bush-2004/120154/14 "2002-07-22T02:56:23Z")
Well, actually, **zev** …the Bilderberg Group is thought to be mostly composed of Jews. As usual. ---
**Author:** ![Big\_Kahuna\_Burger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e0b2c6/32.png) [@Big\_Kahuna\_Burger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Big_Kahuna_Burger)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2002, 2:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-not-re-elect-bush-2004/120154/15 "2002-07-22T02:57:34Z")
> [@](#): > > Wouldn’t surprise me. Weren’t the Bushes pretty liberal back in the day-I believe Bush Sr. was pro-choice until he had a shot at the presidency. Bush, Sr. did disagree with Reagan on a lot, not just abortion but fiscal policy (he coined Voodoo economics). Prescott was a Senator from Connecticut, a state that eschews social conservatism (we have only 1 or 2 Christian conservatives in the State House out of 151), but industries like banking, insurance, defense and pharmaceuticals are so important to the economy there’s a good deal of fiscal conservatism. I’d bet Prescott was a social moderate and a fiscal conservative, which most Republicans here have been since the time of the Luces. ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2002, 3:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-not-re-elect-bush-2004/120154/16 "2002-07-22T03:02:15Z")
Actually, I would like to advise everyone to make sure that the OP title comes true. All good american’s should do so. And this has nothing at all to do with me having a bottle of really good scotch down as a bet with **Bricker**. Nothing at all. ---
**Author:** ![taggert](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/96bed5/32.png) [@taggert](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/taggert)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2002, 4:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-not-re-elect-bush-2004/120154/17 "2002-07-22T04:05:29Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by pldennison \* > \*\*FTR, Prescott Bush is GWB’s **grand** father, and he served with honor for ten years in the Senate. Among other things, he’s the man who asked McCarthy on live television, “At long last, sir, have you no dignity?” \*\* Geez no. It was the attorney for the fellow being questioned, whose name escapes me at the moment. He was later hired to play the judge in the all time classic, Anatomy of a Murder. I still very clearly have a picture of the fellow in my mind. They were talking about a new associate, about 24 years old, in the law firm of the lawyer, who may have had some socialist ties when he was even younger. Poor Joe McCarthy was right on the money with his facts, just like Bill O’Reilly is today, but walked right into that one. Wham! Picking on some poor kid. The press went for it and that was the end of tail gunner Joe. ---
**Author:** ![Tars\_Tarkas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/6a8cbe/32.png) [@Tars\_Tarkas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tars_Tarkas)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2002, 4:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-not-re-elect-bush-2004/120154/18 "2002-07-22T04:22:01Z")
Yes, but what about the Church of the Sub-genius? Aren’t they running things too? ---
**Author:** ![jharek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/9dc877/32.png) [@jharek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jharek)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2002, 4:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-not-re-elect-bush-2004/120154/19 "2002-07-22T04:35:56Z")
There is no debate on whether the Bilderbergs or Trilateral Commission even exists. They dont deny that it exists. The whole point is that Bush need not be re elected, for he is a corporate whore. His father, George, was a confirmed member of the Trilateral Commission, which is headed by David Rockefeller. The Bushes money comes from OIL. Exxon is king of OIL The Rockerfellers own Standard Oil of New York/EXXON/SONY/ are some of the most powerful people in the world. Oh, not to mention they own the controlling interest of the Federal Reserve. It is so easy to be indifferent and view information as being a “theory” by crackpot conspiracy theorists. You dont have to account for its possibilities that way. Or bother thinking of it. If you control commerce you control anything, including the government. “Give me control of a nation’s money and I care not who makes the laws.” Mayer Amschel Bauer (Rothschild) Inform yourself about the Rothschilds and how they relate to the Rockefellers… and then to the Bushes. Then talk to me about why Bush isnt a corporate whore, and why you think he SHOULD be re-elected. ---
**Author:** ![Big\_Kahuna\_Burger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/e0b2c6/32.png) [@Big\_Kahuna\_Burger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Big_Kahuna_Burger)\ **Post date:** [July 22, 2002, 4:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-not-re-elect-bush-2004/120154/20 "2002-07-22T04:42:04Z")
**jharek** , are you going to give us any proof that the Trilaterals and Bilderbergers control the Bush administration, or are you just going to give us conjecture as evidence? I don’t want to see Bush re-elected either, but try to put forth a serious argument. If you want to rant like a loon, there’s the BBQ Pit at the bottom of the forum list. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/do-not-re-elect-bush-2004/120154.md?page=2)