Do Not Re-elect Bush 2004

Conspiracy theory knows no particular political ideology. Just look at the theories put forth by the JFK nuts, they range from “killed by international communist conspiracy” to “killed by military industrial complex conspiring with right-wing radicals.”

Thankfully, Posner’s “Case Closed” has finally put to rest most of the JFK conspiracy theories. Other conspiracies will continue to flourish as long as a couple people with computers can keep finding vague connections between powerful people. (See the “Clinton suspicious deaths” list for a good example of that kind of thinking.) I’d link to Hofstader’s famous essay “The Paranoid Style in American Politics” if I could find it intact online.

I think jharek is falling into the trap of thinking that all big corporations have identical interests. They don’t, there are as many different ideas and interests in the corporate world as there are shareholders.

GWB is just a guy who dabbled in a few different businesses, never had an awful alot of success in any of them, and managed to luck his way into the GOP nomination. Anything more sinister than that I’d have a tough time believing. Things usually are exactly as they appear to be.

If you want to get going early on the opposition to Bush’s re-election campaign, feel free to debate on the issues. Concocting bogus conspiracy theories about corporate entities isn’t going to impress me. If you think his policies give unfair favors to parts of the corporate world, I’d be glad to see that discussed from both sides, but don’t just spout this tripe about corporate conspiracy that even Nader wouldn’t give any credit to.

http://www.federalreserve.gov/bios/

Current members of the Board of Governers for the Federal Reserve Board:
Alan Greenspan - Chairman
Roger W. Ferguson, Jr. - Vice Chairman
Edward M. Gramlich
Susan Schmidt Bies
Mark W. Olson
I’ll try to vote for a more luanatic-freindly candidate in 2004.

Here you go:::

http://www.sfmoma.org/espace/rsub/project/disinfo/prop_newordr_federal.html
Seriously I felt the same way when the information was sent my way. I voted for GW for Goodness sakes. I got a wealth of information in Feb 2001, read a book, The Truth will Set you Free by David Icke.
They realized long ago, that no one would be willing to give up their freedoms by force. You control, by not allowing everyone to be controlled. Best way to control people, control the currency.
Here is an e-book on Bush, http://www.tarpley.net/bushb.htm

also:::

Abraham Lincoln said:

“The money powers prey upon the nation in times of peace and conspire against it in times of adversity. It is more despotic than a monarchy, more insolent than autocracy, (and) more selfish than bureaucracy. It denounces, as public enemies, all who question its methods or throw light upon its crimes. I have two great enemies, the Southern Army in front of me and the bankers in the rear. Of the two, the one at my rear is my greatest foe…corporations have been enthroned, and an era of corruption in high places will follow, and the money power of the country will endeavor to prolong its reign by working upon the prejudices of the people until the wealth is aggregated in the hands of a few, and the Republic is destroyed.”

By the end of the 19th Century, American industrialists and bankers, through the Industrial Revolution, had achieved great wealth. An excellent account of this is Matthew Josephson’s 1934 book, entitled "The Robber Barons; the Great American Capitalists 1861-1901~(by Matthew Josephson, Harcourt, Brace and Co. New York 1934; available secondary market).

The industrialists were known as “Big Business” and the Wall Street bankers as the “Money Trust”. The most prominent of these was banker J.P. Morgan.

It was Morgan, working with the European banking dynasties, who created the “Financial Panic of 1907”. This was an effort to manipulate Congress to approve of a central bank.

In 1912, Woodrow Wilson became President. His chief advisor and administrator was Col. Edward Mandell House, who was a proponent of world government, a representative of the European banking dynasties, and had close ties with the Morgan interests.

In 1912, House wrote a book, wherein he laid out a plan to bring America into a world government. (“Philip Dru: Administrator”, by Col. Edward Mandell House, 1912; available at General Birch Services, P.O. Box 8040 Appleton, Wis. 549138040). On page 222, he wrote:
"…our Constitution and our laws…are not only obsolete, but
even grotesque.
His plan, and, to use his own words, “a conspiracy,” would seek to achieve:

The establishment of a central bank;
A progressive graduated income tax; and
Control of both political parties in the U.S.
What was House’s goal? “Socialism as dreamed of by Karl Marx”. House, who called himself the “unseen guardian angel” of the Federal Reserve Act, in concert with the Wall Street and European bankers, convinced President Wilson of the central bank concept.

The Federal Reserve Act was passed on Dec. 23, 1913 (by a vote of 298 to 60 in the House of Representatives, and 43 to 25 in the Senate).

After the vote, Congressman Charles A. Lindberg, Sr. (father of the famous aviator) told Congress:
“This act establishes the most gigantic trust on earth…When the
President signs this act, the invisible government by the money
power, proven to exist by the Money Trust Investigation, will be
legalized…The new law will create inflation whenever the trusts
want inflation…”
The Fed was then able to manipulate the money supply. In the six years prior to the 1929 Stock Market Crash, the Fed increased (or inflated) the money supply 62%, inducing unwise investments and market speculation by the public. When everything was in place, the bankers, who had been financing market speculation, called in their “24 hr. broker call loans”, precipitating the Crash.

They were then in a position to loan the government billions of dollars to finance the nation out of the Depression. Congressman Louis McFadden, Chairman of the House Banking Committee, (1920-1931) said this:
“It (the Depression) was not accidental. The international
bankers sought to bring about a condition of despair here so that
they might emerge as rulers of us all”.
How powerful is the Fed? Congressman Wright Patman, Chairman of House Banking Committee (in the 60’s) said:
“In the U.S. today, we have in effect, two governments…we have
the duly constituted government…then we have an independent,
uncontrolled, and uncoordinated government in the Federal Reserve
System, operating the money powers which are reserved to the
Congress by the Constitution.”
The Fed has never been audited, and has resisted all attempts to do so.

>>>The “board members” are eye candy…

Is the country bankrupt? Roosevelt declared so by Executive Orders 6073, 6102,6111, and also by EO 6260 on March 9, 1933 (as proclaimed under the "Trading With the Enemy Act of 65th Congress, Oct. 6, 1917, and as codified at 12 U.S.C.A. 95a, which allows the President exceptional control under a “state of emergency”). On April 5, 1933, FDR issued this EO:
"All persons are required to deliver on or before May 1, 1933 all
gold coins, gold bullion, and gold certificates now owned by them
to a Federal Reserve Bank, branch or agency, or to any member
bank of the Federal Reserve System.
On June 5, 1933, Congress confirmed the bankruptcy. (through the “Joint Resolution to Suspend The Gold Standard And Abrogate The Gold Clause,
June 5, 1933”). This was HJR 192, 73rd Congress, 1st session.

Then, through another EO issued by President Johnson in 1968, silver backing was removed from our currency. This made the country insolvent. The Fed issues currency no longer redeemable for silver. Furthermore, the Fed is not a government institution.

You will never find them listed in phone directories under “government offices”. It is a private corporation owned by approximately 300 Class A stockholders. These people own the Fed by owning the stock of the largest member banks in the New York Federal Reserve Bank, which, for all practical purposes, is the Federal Reserve.

The controlling interest is held by less than a dozen international bankers, whose names, until recently, was one of the best-kept secrets of international finance:

Rothschild Banks of London & Berlin
Lehman Bros. Bank of N.Y.
Lazard Bros. Banks of Paris
Kuhn, Loeb Bank of N.Y.
Israel Moses Sief Banks of Italy
Chase Manhattan Bank of N.Y.
Warburg Bank of Hamburg & Amsterdam
Goldman, Sachs Bank of N.Y.
The most influential of the European interests is the Rothschild family in London. Each of the American interests is, in various ways, connected to this family, including the Rockefellers, who are by far the most powerful of the Fed’s American stockholders (primarily through the Chase Manhattan Bank).

Thomas Jefferson issued this warning:
“If the American people ever allow private banks to control the
issue of currency, first by inflation, then by deflation, the
banks and the corporations that will grow up around them will
deprive the people of all property until their children wake up
homeless on the continent their fathers conquered.”
Today, less than 2% of Americans own their homes.

The Fed, like other central banks, uses a system called “fractional banking.” Deposits become the “fraction”, allowing the system to “create” as much as 770% of that deposit:

i.e.: a $1,000 deposit becomes approximately $7,700 a $10.000 deposit becomes approximately $77,000.

In addition, examine the “amount due” on your property tax statement: You will not find a dollar sign affixed to that “amount”.

Why? The Currency Act of 1792, which has never been revoked, defines a dollar as 412.5 grains of 9/10 fine silver (originally 371.25 grains of 11/12 fine silver). Federal Reserve Notes are not redeemable in silver. To affix a dollar sign to the “amount due” would be fraudulent. They know this - and you don’t.
Article 1, Section 8, Clause 5 says that only Congress has the
power to…“coin money, regulate the value thereof…and fix the
standard of weights and measures.’ Article 1, Section 10,
Clause 1 says that No State shall…make anything but gold and
silver coin a legal tender in payment of debts…” The Federal
Reserve operates in violation of the Constitution.

If this conspiracy were so powerful and widespread, how come they haven’t sent snipers after you yet?

I’m always amused by references to international bankers in conspiracy theories. My professor for the History of Conspiracy Theory in America class I took always told us to do this when reading about a conspiracy: “Every time you see the word ‘international bankers’ read it as ‘Jews.’” It’s all just rehashed, repackaged anti-Semitism for the most part. (I don’t make this charge against jharek, it’s just something I notice about alot of these detailed conspiracies that always seem to lead to these “international bankers.”)

Seriously though, I have seen alot of the elements present in jharek’s arguments before in bits and pieces. The repeal of the silver standard, the currency act, all these things have been thrown around before as elements of a large-scale conspiracy. That they’re familiar to students of conspiracy theory, of course, doesn’t invalidate them. I imagine that the actual impact these events have, if any, has been brought up before and discussed before on this very board. Remember always, “extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.”

Oh dear, oh dear.

Dear Mr. Icke, former UK TV presenter, who thinks that the world is run by huge alien lizards in disguise. All hail the colour turquoise!

FWIW, as described in “Them” (which was written by a skeptic for purposes of amusement), the Bilderberg group does exist, its membership is influential, and as a consequence it is somewhat secretive and security-conscious regarding its meetings. Sinister? Not especially.

DWI Dubya is not the President. He’s more like our CEO. He is totally beholden to corporate interests (Enron, anyone?) and really doesn’t care about the common man.

Don’t blame me, I voted for Nader.

If not, they darn sure should be. Bob sold it, I smoked it, that settles it. Praise Bob!

Do you know where or when he said that? I was just wondering if you could source the speech.

What jharek isn’t taking in account, however, is that International Weather Organization, controlled themselves by Bavarian Illuminati, is controlling not only Bill Clinton but also France, and with Self-Esteem played on them, their power is increased to six! It’s obvious that Servants of Cthulhu should destroy them post-haste, perhaps with KKK supporting, or Bavarian Illuminati will soon be undefeatable.

Uh…Thanks. I’ll be sure to check out the San Fran Museum of Modern Art if I’m ever out there.

Actually, its closer to 50%

I love how this all-powerful organization, willing to decieve and subvert the process of government to their own pernicious ends, is nonetheless honest enough to not use a dollar sign when they print personal property tax statements, because the use of the dollar sign would be fraudulent. Like a Bond villain, they are nearly all-knowing and all-powerful, but cannot resist the chance to slip in an explanation rather than just wallow in their pwer and might.

In any event, I can rest soundly; my Virginia property tax forms include the dollar sign next to the dollar amount owed, a sure signal that the Commonwealth is uncorrupted by the massive organization that controls the rest of the country. I’ll certainly keep the rest of the nation in my thoughts as I enjoy the freedom of the Old Dominion!

  • Rick

OIL helped create and helps power the computer you’re using right now. Run! Through tracing the homing-capable paint used on every computer casing in America, the Trilateral Defense Force is about to bust right through your door.

Lest anyone be misled by your abysmal punctuation, SONY is not owned by any Americans, much less the Rockefellers. SONY Corporations owners are in Japan.

Actually, as of 1998, the national home ownership rate was somewhere around 65%. A drop in ownership rate of 63% over four years would probably have made the news, and I don’t recall seeing that. I don’t suppose you have a cite?

For the record, the lawyer who asked Senator McCarthy, “Have you no sense of decency,” was Joseph Welch.

As someone else mentioned, he DID play the wryly funny judge in Otto Preminger’s “Anatomy of a Murder.”

I’m just speculating here, but maybe 65 percent of families own homes, but only 2 percent of individuals own homes?

I think you guys are working on different definitions of owning your own home. For example, I own my own home, yet I have a mortgage. I think jharek would argue that the bank owns my home, not me.

xyzzy, I think some Democrats do blame you. Just saying.

IIRC, this is the same guy that R.E.M. sampled in their song “Exhuming McCarthy” from Document. They used a longer quote:

“Let us not assassinate this man further, Senator. You’ve done enough. Have you no sense of decency sir, at long last, have you left no sense of decency?”

And the exchange happened at an investigation of McCarthy by the Army. The army alledged that McCarthy had used his influence to get David Schine, one of his aides who had been drafted, special treatment. There had been an understanding during the hearing that both McCarthy and Welch, the army counsel, would act decently and avoid personal remarks. However, when Welch was examining another one of McCarthy’s aides, Roy Cohn, the following exchange occurred: (I’m doing this from memory, so it’s paraphrased)

Welch: And how did you get the aforementioned document?
Cohn: I don’t recall, sir.
Welch: Well, it didn’t come into your hands magically, did it? It wasn’t delivered to you by a pixie?
Cohn: A pixie, sir? What is a pixie?
Welch: Why, Mr. Cohn, don’t you know what a pixie is? A pixie is first cousin to a fairy.

McCarthy saw this as a reference to Cohn’s homosexuality, which was an open secret in Washington, and therefore, as a personal attack on Cohn, and that therefore, Welch had broken their understanding (It didn’t help that McCarthy probably wasn’t entirely sober at the time), and so McCarthy, later in the day, mentioned one of Welch’s staff, who, in his youth, had been linked to a communist front organization.